Rice Racing M&W CDI COP Set-up

infernosg · 01-07-2015, 08:37 AM

I'm paying attention. Chris (Ludwig) knows a setup like this would benefit me. It's too bad the Series 4/5 center housings don't have that little bolt hole though. Using the knock sensor hole isn't a bad idea for those using a cheaper engine management system like me.

C. Ludwig · 01-07-2015, 08:37 AM

That's 90*. I said 180*.

. In the original version the long side of the coil is facing forward. Flip it so the long side is toward the back. My guess is it still won't provide enough room for the AC compressor. I tried this a couple years ago. It's tight in there!

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 09:04 AM

You end up with some interference between the coil tabs in one orientation and in the other (offset) I'll need the bevel one edge of each coil spacer mount ..........

See what I can come up with, this way will clear as best it can and not interfere with heater coolant pipe as well, otherwise I would have spun it other way!

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 09:15 AM

And this way the coils smash into each other and there is ZERO room for a mount on the center plate...........

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 09:21 AM

Not possible to fit a proper mount in ~6mm space (plate + fastener).... well I would not feel good about it, I could recess something in not a worry I suppose, but add to that you will need to file down the tabs on the IGN-1A's as well as there is interference there too.

Fendamonky · 01-07-2015, 09:28 AM

Looks awesome Peter!! Count me as down for the compact V2, adapter and mounts =)

infernosg · 01-07-2015, 09:54 AM

I'd be interested in just the COP adapters. I have a Series 4 center plate without the center mounting point so the interference isn't really a problem. I'm sure I could come up with something that uses the knock sensor locations.

speedjunkie · 01-07-2015, 01:02 PM

So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by speedjunkie

So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

I don't think anyone has validated that yet?
I do have all those systems stored away, if I get time will pull them out and mount to front plate and have a look physically at the potential interference

These coils are shit for fitment, so looks like V2 system is for people who are willing to move shit around to suit or run a car that is more 'race spec'

ONLY thing I can do to try to suit (well at least a 13B-REW rotor housing) is go for a knock sensor based central mounting method, this means can use the system on 1,2,3,4,5,6................. 25 rotor applications with ease, Will stack these coils 'vertically' and come up with a system like that, I think I will do the same with the M&W CDI coil as well, however! its got its own issues.

p.s. That shit wont work, I can run an analysis on it but will have to run a 'stupid' size mounting system as there is a big canter lever effect from that fixed point, would be vastly more complex as well I wont totally dismiss it, but my brain is telling me its going to be an abortion.

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 07:47 PM

I have thought of EVERY permutation and the below is the ONLY one that is viable, need some input if people are interested in me developing it?
Involves cutting off one of the tabs on all four coils (simply at the edge of the sleeve), then it will allow placement as per below and clear everything.

The coil bracket spacers will be 154mm long between centers and obviously new (13B-REW) engine bracket required.

I'll start fucking around with it anyway to show what I am thinking and that way you can decide if its what you want.

RICE RACING · 01-07-2015, 09:39 PM

Working on V3 (vertical placement)

speedjunkie · 01-07-2015, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

I don't think anyone has validated that yet?
I do have all those systems stored away, if I get time will pull them out and mount to front plate and have a look physically at the potential interference

These coils are shit for fitment, so looks like V2 system is for people who are willing to move shit around to suit or run a car that is more 'race spec'

ONLY thing I can do to try to suit (well at least a 13B-REW rotor housing) is go for a knock sensor based central mounting method, this means can use the system on 1,2,3,4,5,6................. 25 rotor applications with ease, Will stack these coils 'vertically' and come up with a system like that, I think I will do the same with the M&W CDI coil as well, however! its got its own issues.

p.s. That shit wont work, I can run an analysis on it but will have to run a 'stupid' size mounting system as there is a big canter lever effect from that fixed point, would be vastly more complex as well I wont totally dismiss it, but my brain is telling me its going to be an abortion.

Oh OK. The reason I said that was because Monkman was talking about making brackets to make it work for him, so I assumed it didn't fit. I'm certainly not asking YOU to do it, not after all the work you've put in already. If I was home I'd check on it myself. Honestly I like V2 the best. I doubt it will ever get more compact and optimized than that. I honestly think it would work with the AC and PS too, but maybe not. I'm not home to look at it. I'm planning on using dual knock sensors so I wouldn't get that one anyway, even if you did make it. So if V2 doesn't fit, oh well. I guess I'll have to pass. I'm hoping it does though.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-07-2015, 10:40 PM

Curious about placing things vertically

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-07-2015, 10:41 PM

It looks fucking killer though Peter

chibikougan · 01-07-2015, 10:44 PM

Will make room on the 2

01-07-2015, 08:37 AM	#61
infernosg IT'S ALIVE! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Richmond, VA iTrader: (5) Posts: 811 Rep Power: 15	I'm paying attention. Chris (Ludwig) knows a setup like this would benefit me. It's too bad the Series 4/5 center housings don't have that little bolt hole though. Using the knock sensor hole isn't a bad idea for those using a cheaper engine management system like me. __________________ '86 Mazda RX-7 Base '79 Mazda RX-7 GS

01-07-2015, 09:04 AM	#63
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	You end up with some interference between the coil tabs in one orientation and in the other (offset) I'll need the bevel one edge of each coil spacer mount .......... See what I can come up with, this way will clear as best it can and not interfere with heater coolant pipe as well, otherwise I would have spun it other way! __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

01-07-2015, 09:15 AM	#64
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	And this way the coils smash into each other and there is ZERO room for a mount on the center plate........... __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

01-07-2015, 09:21 AM	#65
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Not possible to fit a proper mount in ~6mm space (plate + fastener).... well I would not feel good about it, I could recess something in not a worry I suppose, but add to that you will need to file down the tabs on the IGN-1A's as well as there is interference there too. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

01-07-2015, 09:54 AM	#67
infernosg IT'S ALIVE! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Richmond, VA iTrader: (5) Posts: 811 Rep Power: 15	I'd be interested in just the COP adapters. I have a Series 4 center plate without the center mounting point so the interference isn't really a problem. I'm sure I could come up with something that uses the knock sensor locations. __________________ '86 Mazda RX-7 Base '79 Mazda RX-7 GS

01-07-2015, 01:02 PM	#68
speedjunkie RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, CO iTrader: (1) Posts: 2,089 Rep Power: 19	So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

01-07-2015, 07:47 PM	#70
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	I have thought of EVERY permutation and the below is the ONLY one that is viable, need some input if people are interested in me developing it? Involves cutting off one of the tabs on all four coils (simply at the edge of the sleeve), then it will allow placement as per below and clear everything. The coil bracket spacers will be 154mm long between centers and obviously new (13B-REW) engine bracket required. I'll start fucking around with it anyway to show what I am thinking and that way you can decide if its what you want. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

01-07-2015, 09:39 PM	#71
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Working on V3 (vertical placement) __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

01-07-2015, 10:40 PM	#73
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Curious about placing things vertically __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

01-07-2015, 10:41 PM	#74
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	It looks fucking killer though Peter __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**