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12-20-2014, 03:45 PM | #1 |
RCC Loves Me Not You
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Carbotech brake pad advice
I've been shopping around for brake pads and I think I've settled on Carbotech, but now I'm trying to decide which ones fit my needs the most. Looking at their site, you'd think that they all dust an insane amount and make noise, OR they don't work for shit but are perfect. I know that can't be the case. After searching on this site I've found some folks that love them.
I have an FD and I'll be installing the RZ brakes with APP Sports 2pc rotors, and I have N-Tech ducting plates that I'll be installing and I plan to run ducts to them (obviously), I'm just not sure where to install the inlets just yet. I was thinking about making an undertray and installing them in that, but that might be down the road and in the mean time maybe I can put them somewhere else. I haven't gotten on track yet, but I do a good bit of spirited driving on curvy roads in the mountains. I don't remember ever having a problem with fade, and with the additional cooling from the ducts and wider rotors, I don't foresee it being a problem now either. At least not until I get on track. So I'm thinking AX6 would be my choice. However, I've read some people on here using XP8 and XP10 and being happy with those. I don't mind some extra dusting as long as it's reasonable, but noise on the street I can't really handle too much. Also, I'm planning on powder coating the new calipers. Are there any downsides to that? Such as not as efficient cooling, or maybe the little temperature strip not reading accurately if I ever get on track and decide to put one on my brakes to see how hot they get? Thanks! |
12-21-2014, 05:22 PM | #2 |
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I run the carbotechs and love them for what they are, oh, I run the XP-08Dust-A-Lots. The noise on the street isn't all that bad, infact they only time I hear them is pulling to a stop with almost zero pressure, and they squeak a little, it's really not that bad at all. The dust on the other hand.... Oh man... it's pretty bad, especially with the wheels I run they are a bitch to clean, and need it almost every week... Ive been slacking lately and it's gotten to the point that I'm going to have to pull the wheels to clean them properly.
It got so bad that a few years ago I bought a set of the AX6's and threw them in when I put the car back on the rd in the spring. I ran them down to DGRR and for a month after that, then I had a track day and put the XP08 Dusty's in there.... I haven't taken them out yet, they stopping power is that much better. Heat is another problem that I have been fighting, they create so much heat, and with the al hat on the 2-piece rotor, all that heat gets transmitted to the hub and then to the bearings, so I'm constantly tightening wheel bearings and repacking bearings, the FD has a different hub/bearing and it might be fine, but I would duct the FUCK outta the front brakes....
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12-21-2014, 07:16 PM | #3 |
RCC Addict
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Side note on brake dust...
I dunno if you guys know of this product called P21S *gel*... This stuff has been recently released in a past few years? I came across this stuff on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgW-XDKRxuU There's a bunch of them vids on YouTube if you do a search (i.e. "p21s gel"). Brake dust should not be a problem anymore. -Ted |
12-21-2014, 08:10 PM | #4 | ||
RCC Loves Me Not You
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A buddy that uses Carbotechs also sent me a link for Winmax pads. I've never heard of them before today and I didn't find anything on either here or 7club about them, but I googled them and I guess they're pretty legit in Japan and some S2000 and FT86 guys use them. I'd still be nervous running them without anyone else's experience with them on their FD. Quote:
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12-23-2014, 08:07 AM | #5 |
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You're ultimately going to be let down by trying to find one pad that does both street and track well. Track oriented pads will dust too much and have very nasty dust, and street pads won't handle the heat on track.
I can say that of the track pads I've used that Carbotech had the "lightest" dust meaning it was a lighter grey color and wiped off easier, but it was definitely still way more dust than a street pad. I think you should look at the AX pads for the street and a set of XP10s or higher (based on temp) for the track.
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12-23-2014, 04:54 PM | #6 |
RCC Loves Me Not You
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Yeah that's what I figured. Well it will mostly be on the street with some occasional driving on curvy mountain roads. So, because of that, I REALLY want some good pads haha. However, I'll have the front brakes ducted, so I think that will allow me to run some higher end street pads (I'm leaning towards the AX6 actually) and still get away with not having as much dust and noise and still have good cold bite. I honestly don't mind the dust as much, but noise I'm not sure I could handle. Not a squealing noise anyway, not constantly.
I've read some good reviews by the S2000 and FT86 guys about those Winmax pads too. And supposedly they have some that are good for spirited driving and light track use, but I've been comparing temp ranges and all that with the Carbotechs just to see what's comparable. |
12-24-2014, 05:47 AM | #7 |
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For the noise use this grease: http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-24125...c+brake+grease
It's usually available at NAPA and you'll know it's the right stuff cause it's purple if you look inside the bottle. It's never failed me no matter how hot things got.
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12-24-2014, 12:24 PM | #8 |
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Another Carbotech user here...I run XP10/XP8s on my FD and my NSX and XP10s on the Wilwood BBK on my Miata. I drive all of these cars on the street and they work awesome, only issue is noise, its worse with the Miata but very light on the FD and NSX. Dust is an issue on all three cars...just gotta stay on top of keeping the wheels clean. Small price to pay for insane braking.
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12-24-2014, 02:48 PM | #9 | |
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12-24-2014, 02:53 PM | #10 | ||
RCC Loves Me Not You
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What kind of noise do they make? Is it a squealing or like a chatter or something? All the time or during braking or what? Is it just from the friction between the pad and the rotor?
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It doesn't seem like anyone really knows about Winmax yet. Oh well. Thanks guys! |
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12-24-2014, 05:12 PM | #11 | ||||
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Noise really is the big one but with the stock calipers on the FD and NSX I don't really hear much. NSX will make little squeaks every now and then and the FD is silent. S2K was like a damn school bus and same for the Miata. Never used any brake quieting compound...I tried it once on the S2K and ended up just melting the brake quiet lol. Quote:
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12-24-2014, 09:25 PM | #12 |
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Put it places where there will be metal to metal contact so the edges where the pads touch the caliper and the backing plate where the pistons touch. Just a thin layer; doesn't need to be crazy and don't get it on the friction surface.
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12-25-2014, 02:53 AM | #13 | ||||
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If I get the Winmax pads I'll let someone more experienced with brake pads drive my car and I'll tell you what he says lol. Quote:
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12-25-2014, 10:21 AM | #14 |
Rawr Bearclaw
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I have yet to fry any wheel bearings or warp rotors even on slowing the Miata down on the track or when playing on the street.
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12-25-2014, 11:22 AM | #15 |
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I believe the Miata has, and in know the FD has sealed ball bearings. The FC runs a taper needle bearing. The former is much less susceptible to heat. Also, running a one piece rotor helps tremendously as well.
I need to change the bearings, repack with a very high quality grease, reduct the front end, and then go play on the track and see what happens, I'm fairly confident I can get this issue under control. Problem is thee aren't many FC guys running a 13.25" two piece front rotor with hitemp track pads
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