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12-02-2010, 11:27 AM | #61 |
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Logan forgot to log out on my computer, FDwarrior.
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DEFINED AUTOWORKS Where concept meets results Black 1994 FD 4-rotor 610rwhp all motor Red 1970 Mazda R-100 with 10a Black 1974 Mazda Rx4 Black 1984 Gsl-SE 13b-re streetport 230rwhp Last edited by GtoRx7; 12-02-2010 at 11:31 AM.. |
12-02-2010, 11:32 AM | #62 | |
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Once again I can't wait to go to the drag strip. I would also not require anyone to pay for my runs just to prove the many years of R&D behind the defined engines. This has also never been done before by a long, long, long shot. Even more power and torque on page 2. http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...ad.php?t=12767 This is the shop owners personal car, much of this knowledge went into building the engine in my car. This engine makes about basically the same power as full blown p-ports, from semi-p ports. When you build the most efficient n/a engine that knowledge transfers to building the most efficient turbo engine, thus my power numbers on super low boost. The numbers don't add up on this 20b to many of the big hitters, but what does that mean? I also don't know how my car in particular will get an accurate power reading from the drag strip. There is no arguing physics, but we are talking about a perfect world scenario. A 400whp FD will not spin 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear all the way through(I had one before this car). My car can spin tire all the way through 3rd, because it weighs 2520lbs. I know some wheel spin off the line will not affect the mph, Im talking about spinning half way down the track and letting out of it. Im still going to go to the track any ways, hopefully with some 10.5 inch drag slicks. |
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12-02-2010, 11:34 AM | #63 |
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12-02-2010, 12:55 PM | #64 |
crash auto?fix auto
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I will say this:
I have been around for a while and seen alot of tuners work. Very very few people I've met in my time in the rotary game were as well sorted, hard working and knowledgeable as Logan. Extremely thorough in all aspects of his job. I'm not blindly saying that whatever comes out of that shop is 100% legit (although after my experience there I have no reason to believe otherwise) I'm simply saying that if anyone's capable of exceeding "the norm" in any application - it is Defined Autoworks. I don't doubt the numbers this car makes. But I would like to see drag times simply out of pure enthusiasim EDIT: And I see your secret mod hiding in that picture. Snowbrush hood props are good for an extra 10% to the hubs any day of the week!
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12-02-2010, 04:45 PM | #65 | |
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I say again, you apply physics as applied to hundreds! of legit cars as listed on my page and you will see (as you are saying) that by some way that the estimated BHP *engine power* NEVER corresponds to the mph it achieves over the last 66ft of a 1320ft acceleration test Test a car in std temp, pressure day and show me the "mph" and I will believe that far more than most other forms of evidence. This is why I have high precision corner scales, and a $30k worth of Race Logic VBOX testing equipment. Also good to apply other very basic testing procedures such as in gear 90-140kmh test (3rd) and other more std tests which eliminate shifting excuses and launching etc etc like 100 to 200kmh or your backwards english imperial 60-130mph equivalents ....... It really does separate the bullshit for the facts! http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-ii...ing-tuning.htm On the DynoDynamics (in NORMAL MODE! not skewed like you cunts do to match optimistic dynojet guesses!) I tested dozens of cars and they put out stupidly high figures! then test the REAL power as delivered to the real wheels on my VBOX and self made forumla and its always around 13% LOWER!!!!! apply my well researched guess to estimate the legitimate engine power and put it into many proven forumlas (that have been used to check hundreds of legitimate supercars!) and by some lucky hand of god! the NUMBERS ADD UP!. I have published a ton of this information of proper testing here> for anyone bored to read it > http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.p...=VBOX#p2345194 Mountains of cars from ALL genera, see how you measure up and what "rear wheel HP dreams you are putting your faith in!" p.s. (ref VBOX tests of American Ferrari F40 I got done and acquired actual corner weight check after test) There are some great comparisons there from stuff I know intimately well (Ferrari F40 for example and my own car) if you get yourself a simple VBOX consumer range item, you can quickly and easily do any in gear acceleration tests to compare yourself to very well known factory cars. One you will see on that page is a basic 60mph to 85mph (5000rpm to 7000rpm) power band check *ironically identical for both cars gearing wise so its a great comparo. American Ferrari F40 = 2.10 seconds V's mine on 18psi at 2.19 seconds (and my car being 100kg lighter in this test) you do the math lol at guessing the power of each car I currently run 1.52kg/cm or around 21.6psi boost pressure, that should be enough to not only beat the American F40 I have first hand data on but also its faster Euro cousin that is closer in weight to my Mighty RICESP Mazda RX7 and it WILL trap near 130mph in an old school 1320ft test......... if its got the power to beat all these other incremental measures. My heap of shit is 1320kg when tested and it "only" has just under 500 genuine engine donkeys under the hood! Some other peoples cars with OVER 600bhp and weight near 1100kg should do almost 140mph by comparison ............... but they NEVER do and always have an excuse to follow as well ironically LOL.
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12-02-2010, 10:01 PM | #66 |
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Don't worry folks, Im going to go to the track when it's not winter. Also for "the thing" follow the intercooler pipes, and look at what parts should not go together. You should be stopping at the upper intake manifold. It's the small details on every part that count. Also it's all fine on my dyno results not being legit because I guess now no dyno is legit. I do however question why some people can shit out power numbers, like some of the three rotors on the other site and no one thinks twice. I do believe this thread has accomplished it's goal, advertisement. Any one getting a car built by a shop want's to see dyno results, any one who tries to argue any different is full of it. The only thing most of the power guys care about is a dyno chart. Slowmotion drag races as well so I could grab some of there slips, and compare them to that car's dyno number. I could show how accurate the dyno is by using Slowmotion's mph in the 1/4 to that same car's dyno chart. Im also going to use this thread as a build thread, so more to come in the future. This car ultimately is a road course car, so pics will be updated as events happen.
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12-02-2010, 10:19 PM | #67 |
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Don't take my posts the worng way, I'm a big fan of you boys and hope you keep on it
Given you life in a hic town and have heaps of testing opportunities I'd love it if you asked for Christmas to get a Race Logic Performance box, I'd love to share some actual figures with some capable rotary runners around the world I'll post up some links to very interesting cars that have been tested if you care to see them as well so you have some reference points of what to expect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOqS...layer_embedded < what 129mph in real street test looks like 1.5bar. VBOX proven! With your level of power it, Should easily do over 200mph too lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8yZ0...eature=related *we want VBOX proof hahaha* I have of mine but I'm not about to post it on the internet like these idiots
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12-02-2010, 11:02 PM | #68 | |
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12-03-2010, 12:01 AM | #70 |
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If I can be of any help at all please e-mail me peter@riceracing.com.au
There is a VBOX USA site, I'll find it and post a link for you. You will love it, the have new circuit analysis tools which is right down your path for what you want to do. http://www.vboxusa.com/performancedrift/ VBOX forum is o.k. but I have not visited it for a good while..... http://www.racelogic.co.uk/forum/index.php The pro stuff is here........ but you better sit down when you request prices! http://www.velocitybox.co.uk/ > products > http://www.velocitybox.co.uk/index.p...s-data-loggers
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DEFINED AUTOWORKS Where concept meets results Black 1994 FD 4-rotor 610rwhp all motor Red 1970 Mazda R-100 with 10a Black 1974 Mazda Rx4 Black 1984 Gsl-SE 13b-re streetport 230rwhp Last edited by GtoRx7; 12-03-2010 at 02:16 AM.. |
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12-03-2010, 05:11 AM | #72 |
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so 1143kg. My SP (though a road going set up) is 1216kg with about 30lt or 20kg of fuel on board.
Keep in touch will be great to keep up with how this exceptional car goes Many years ago I sold as a group buy *special 13B* programming over on the gay forum for a Race Logic Traction Control (Group buy). I run this in my own car and it would be wheel spin hell without it (1st and 2nd just torches the 255 semi slicks I run on the back and that is with top shelf Ohlins suspension. I have proven this system over many years (traction control) and allot of my customers around the world run my programming in their TC units on 4 injector twin rotor cars. It will make your thing sound like an old F1 car! and the drive out of corners is amazing! I leave my car now on 1.5bar boost and let the TC simply control the power rather than using staged boost control which is far slower and much less precise Highly recommend it especially for a track type person like yourself
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12-03-2010, 09:41 PM | #73 |
Don Mega
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A little off topic but I'm sure you will love this...........
So who has watched Hot Version Vol 107 yet? *you can youtube it* Very interesting seeing all the tested weights, boost pressures, top speeds on back straight! and claimed power levels :shock: Excellent spread of cars and configurations :wink: Nice typo of the RE Amemiya car running a 4.3 rear diff when it has a 4.7 in it lol, but otherwise nice production. RE Amemiya car 193.064kmh twins @ 1.00kg/cm 402ps 1145kg Famspeed 189kmh twins @ 1.3kg/cm 499ps *where did the 100ps go?* 1153kg R-Magic drift car 200.93kmh T04Z 1.4kg/cm 580ps (sequential dog box) 1126kg Domar spec drift 190.375kmh T88 1.35kg/cm 570ps (sequential dog box) 1133kg To pick the most exciting cars, interesting to see dyno dreams don't match with reality, very cool to watch the 5 lap race and see the 400ps twins car keep right up to the 580ps car! (within 1 car length along whole back straight up to 200kmh lol)........ guess who won? Here is a list of very well known cars and their top speeds on the back straight at this track... 2007 17th Annual Revspeed Super Battle at Tsukuba Circuit ***NOTE*** ITS FUNNY HOW ~600PS Nissan's (M speed, Best Motorsports, Garage Ito) that weigh much more are 20+kmh faster lol (and that is with larger frontal area, higher drag too)!!!! I do have ALL of these cars on video along with detailed specs of the all as well * 1st place- #13 M-Speed R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 55.23sec, Top Speed: 227.282 km/h) * 2nd place- #1 Garage HRS SUN Auto Cyber Evo CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 55.864sec, Top Speed: 220.678 km/h) * 3rd place- #22 Pro-Staff R Magic FD3S Mazda RX-7 (Best Lap: 55.947sec, Top Speed: 217.742 km/h) * 4th place- #12 Nagisa Auto R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.510sec, Top Speed: 227.082 km/h) * 5th place- #16 Kurumakobou Decide R33 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.630sec, Top Speed: 233.615 km/h) * 6th place- #14 Garage Kagotani R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.833sec, Top Speed: 227.416 km/h) * 7th place- #31 Autobacs ASM Honda S2000 (Best Lap: 57.398sec, Top Speed: 188.055 km/h) * 8th place- #18 Best Motor Sports R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.422sec, Top Speed: 220.994 km/h) * 9th place- #15 Hosaka Tuning Factory R33 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.504sec, Top Speed: 224.346 km/h) * 10th place- #17 Keiyo Jiko R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.658sec, Top Speed: N/A) * 11th place- #3 Jun Automechanics CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 57.824sec, Top Speed: 211.640 km/h) * 12th place- #19 Auto Gallery Yokohama R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 58.081sec, Top Speed: 223.8 * 13th place- #21 Garage Ito R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 58.282sec, Top Speed: 216.650 km/h) * 14th place- #5 Varis CP9N Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 58.456sec, Top Speed: 211.102 km/h) * 15th place- #4 Stillway CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 58.484sec, Top Speed: 204.468 km/h)
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12-03-2010, 11:51 PM | #74 |
The quest for more torque
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All this talk about crazy acceleration almost had me talked into a turbo, but I keep reminding myself that I like keeping my apex seals in the grooves. I don't know enough about turbo tuning to be anything but dangerous (to my engine).
Nice numbers, keep up the good work.
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12-04-2010, 12:18 AM | #75 | |
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It's not that hard, but then again you need to have a good handle on what your doing like these boys in this thread from the given shop. A great example of how not to do it can be searched under BDC
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