Ok..Mega Help,Please!

misterstyx69 · 06-12-2008, 10:56 PM

I am going to be starting my TII build for next season.This means I am going to need Parts..My Dillema is What would you Guys Suggest for a Half decent Power Output?.The Base is a S5 Streetported TII keg,and I am adding S4 TII components...Suggestions as to Fuel(injectors),ECU(Rtek or my Megasquirt)..an "affordable Turbo".(if there is such a thing)..HONESTLY guys,I have NO Experience with TII engines,or Turbos.So the Easier the better..I can Wrench,and Wire,and Troubleshoot.I just need the Parts "list" to go on and I can Take that into Consideration and Post later with any other Qusetions as I go..THANKS in Advance gentlemen,,and If you have NO info,please let the thread be,,BUT I do welcome any Heartfull advice and all Info will be Taken into Consideration,to Ponder for the Build!..Cheers Men!!..sincerely DAVE/.STYX.

well uhhh · 06-13-2008, 10:08 AM

it all depends on what your goals are/what the car will be used for/what budget you are working with. for ECU, full standalone will get you limitless posibilities, but its expen$ive for dyno time. Rtek is a good option as a pseudo-stand alone. not as tunable as a standalone but at half the price, with bolt in installation, and the stock map still present, it makes an attractive option. I think I read somewhere that the power possibilities are anywhere between 300-375 depending on supporting mods.

Injectors are all about power goals as well, not much to talk about here, just make sure you have the *actual flow for your use. sometimes the advertised flow rates aren't actual flow rates. Be careful.

as far as turbos, hmmmm what is affordable? no matter what aftermarket turbo you chose, you are looking at a new manifold to match as well as custom downpipe, even external wastegate depending on the turbo. another option is a hybrid such as found on www.bnrturbos.com. once again install is bolt in and power is in the 300-400 range depending on stage. with the hybrid there is no cusom DP, no new manifold, so it is more cost effective and way easier to install.

one question... why the S4 parts on the S5 keg?

My5ABaby · 06-13-2008, 10:27 AM

This should help you with your injector sizing. http://rx7.com/cgi-local/2ndgencalc.cgi

misterstyx69 · 07-09-2008, 10:38 PM

Ok..answering: the S5 Keg was a JDM and was installed in a Buddy's car.He had rebuilt it and Streetported it,Got it Runniing in his S4 then Went and Sold it off in Pieces!..I managed to get the Keg,and some other stuff.Like S5 tails,and a TII Hood,etc,etc,etc!..So In order to Run the Engine without Issues of the S5 OMP,he changed the cover and deleted the OMP and premixed..I have Got a Megasquirt that I am Hoping to run this on,Supposedly Plug and play for S4..Injectors>I am not sure about HOw big,although I have heard 1600's are the way to go.(*Seema a little Freakin Big for a car that I want to Drive ON the street,and Maybe.Just maybe Try out on a Track,God Willing).I will be looking into Intercoolers,Front Mount Type.So if anyone that Got a good Ebay deal,let me know,as I most likely will go that route,although I like to Buy off members to keep the cash in the Community!..anyhow,,That's It so Far guys..I am Honestly Hoping that YOU GUYS can be a HELP to me..I gave out advice to the N/A Guys as Best I could,and have done Deals that I have lost on,just to be a Name that can be trusted..I hope someone can at least lend me their Expertise and help me to Achieve my FIRST REAL Car..(TURBO'ED!)...Cheers Gents!..Dave/STYX.

85rx-7gsl-se · 07-10-2008, 12:04 AM

As far as turbos, look into BNRTurbos.com or his vendor page on here. He modifies stock turbos into everything from mild to wild while using the stock manifold...My buddy on his mild Stage 1 on a Streetport S4 layed down over 300whp on 11psi. Stage 4s will lay down over 400hp.

Phoenix7 · 07-10-2008, 12:28 AM

1. BUdget
2. Goals
3. Parts list

hook it up with 1 and 2 and 3 will be easy.

Check out KGParts' injector info also:
http://injector-rehab.com/issg/index.htm

As far as ICs, you can piece your own like I did but it's a PITA. I did it and I know I'm going to have to replace it eventually. Had I spent the $$ on an FC specific kit I'd be done with it now. Just letting you know.

I'm trying to get my BNR turbo swap going so I can't tell anything yet but a lot of members are having great success with all stages (even though they seem to all hit 300 hp).

vex · 07-10-2008, 08:46 AM

I have a working parts list for a turbo-6port I'll be working on. I'll convert some it over to pdf and load it up for you come tonight.

vex · 07-11-2008, 07:03 AM

Hey sorry about the delay, I actually ended up falling asleep at around 7 and I might add, it's the best time ever to fall asleep.

I've converted alot of the file over to .pdf, so you can get the full benefit. I'm having to re-visit my plans for what ECU i plan on running for the moment, but that just means instead of going full standalone I just went with an RTek (And a monster turbo...

granted, you won't find it for the price I'm getting mine at

)

But check out the attached.
I'll finish the workbook on the next post. Also of note, you'll see I have alot of extra stuff that I don't really need right now (like the 4 ls1 coils) I haven't gone through it yet to see what I actually will have to buy for the RTek. I may be able to leave a majority of the engine bay alone for this mod.

vex · 07-11-2008, 07:08 AM

It would be amazingly easier for me if we were allowed to upload office documents, or bigger pdf files

... oh well. (I'm a lazy sack that doesn't want to zip things

).

Hope that helps you on your way. I've done alot of thinking and that's what I've come up with so far. Once I get this up and running I will have a very nice car, but I will need to save for body work and a standalone....

One Day Soon....

Phoenix7 · 07-11-2008, 12:26 PM

What's a MAF Translator?

vex · 07-11-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenix7

What's a MAF Translator?

something i'm toying around with about getting. Not really necessary for the project, but it might blur the line between piggy-backs, rtek, and standalone in that it allows for removal of the AFM to use MAF, and can even get a speed density based one (however for that price, plus the price of an Rtek, i'd just as soon get a standalone). Here's a link:
www.maftpro.com

My5ABaby · 07-11-2008, 12:40 PM

For $400, might as well just get a Megasquirt.

vex · 07-11-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex

something i'm toying around with about getting. Not really necessary for the project, but it might blur the line between piggy-backs, rtek, and standalone in that it allows for removal of the AFM to use MAF, and can even get a speed density based one (however for that price, plus the price of an Rtek, i'd just as soon get a standalone). Here's a link:
www.maftpro.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

For $400, might as well just get a Megasquirt.

actually if you look at the gen2 which is universal it's only about 260, still, not sure I'd want to even bother picking it up... Just something to toy around with.

My5ABaby · 07-11-2008, 12:49 PM

http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...=120&co=1&vi=1

djmtsu · 07-11-2008, 04:25 PM

FYI, from what I have read, and I think with backup by RETed, that MAF gadget is useless for our cars. Something about the way our ECU's deal with the MAF signal.

Also, the MAF is a restriction on the intake if you are trying to make some good HP. And you can spend $400 elsewhere that will net you horsepower even with the stock MAF.

EDIT: even if it is $260, I can think of better ways to make power

06-12-2008, 10:56 PM	#1
misterstyx69 .drives like MrMagoo! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Smiths Falls,Ontario iTrader: (5) Posts: 198 Rep Power: 17	Ok..Mega Help,Please! I am going to be starting my TII build for next season.This means I am going to need Parts..My Dillema is What would you Guys Suggest for a Half decent Power Output?.The Base is a S5 Streetported TII keg,and I am adding S4 TII components...Suggestions as to Fuel(injectors),ECU(Rtek or my Megasquirt)..an "affordable Turbo".(if there is such a thing)..HONESTLY guys,I have NO Experience with TII engines,or Turbos.So the Easier the better..I can Wrench,and Wire,and Troubleshoot.I just need the Parts "list" to go on and I can Take that into Consideration and Post later with any other Qusetions as I go..THANKS in Advance gentlemen,,and If you have NO info,please let the thread be,,BUT I do welcome any Heartfull advice and all Info will be Taken into Consideration,to Ponder for the Build!..Cheers Men!!..sincerely DAVE/.STYX.

06-13-2008, 10:27 AM	#3
My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 19	This should help you with your injector sizing. http://rx7.com/cgi-local/2ndgencalc.cgi __________________ 1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles Community Service Manual RotorWiki "Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present." Last edited by My5ABaby; 06-13-2008 at 10:31 AM..

07-10-2008, 08:46 AM	#7
vex RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Influx. iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 19	I have a working parts list for a turbo-6port I'll be working on. I'll convert some it over to pdf and load it up for you come tonight. __________________ The Official FC Radiator Thread My Project Thread: Cerberus CCVT Virginia Rotary Group

07-11-2008, 12:40 PM	#12
My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 19	For $400, might as well just get a Megasquirt. __________________ 1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles Community Service Manual RotorWiki "Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."

07-11-2008, 12:49 PM	#14
My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 19	http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...=120&co=1&vi=1 __________________ 1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles Community Service Manual RotorWiki "Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."

06-13-2008, 10:08 AM	#2
well uhhh The Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	it all depends on what your goals are/what the car will be used for/what budget you are working with. for ECU, full standalone will get you limitless posibilities, but its expen$ive for dyno time. Rtek is a good option as a pseudo-stand alone. not as tunable as a standalone but at half the price, with bolt in installation, and the stock map still present, it makes an attractive option. I think I read somewhere that the power possibilities are anywhere between 300-375 depending on supporting mods. Injectors are all about power goals as well, not much to talk about here, just make sure you have the *actual flow for your use. sometimes the advertised flow rates aren't actual flow rates. Be careful. as far as turbos, hmmmm what is affordable? no matter what aftermarket turbo you chose, you are looking at a new manifold to match as well as custom downpipe, even external wastegate depending on the turbo. another option is a hybrid such as found on www.bnrturbos.com. once again install is bolt in and power is in the 300-400 range depending on stage. with the hybrid there is no cusom DP, no new manifold, so it is more cost effective and way easier to install. one question... why the S4 parts on the S5 keg?

07-09-2008, 10:38 PM	#4
misterstyx69 .drives like MrMagoo! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Smiths Falls,Ontario iTrader: (5) Posts: 198 Rep Power: 17	Ok..answering: the S5 Keg was a JDM and was installed in a Buddy's car.He had rebuilt it and Streetported it,Got it Runniing in his S4 then Went and Sold it off in Pieces!..I managed to get the Keg,and some other stuff.Like S5 tails,and a TII Hood,etc,etc,etc!..So In order to Run the Engine without Issues of the S5 OMP,he changed the cover and deleted the OMP and premixed..I have Got a Megasquirt that I am Hoping to run this on,Supposedly Plug and play for S4..Injectors>I am not sure about HOw big,although I have heard 1600's are the way to go.(*Seema a little Freakin Big for a car that I want to Drive ON the street,and Maybe.Just maybe Try out on a Track,God Willing).I will be looking into Intercoolers,Front Mount Type.So if anyone that Got a good Ebay deal,let me know,as I most likely will go that route,although I like to Buy off members to keep the cash in the Community!..anyhow,,That's It so Far guys..I am Honestly Hoping that YOU GUYS can be a HELP to me..I gave out advice to the N/A Guys as Best I could,and have done Deals that I have lost on,just to be a Name that can be trusted..I hope someone can at least lend me their Expertise and help me to Achieve my FIRST REAL Car..(TURBO'ED!)...Cheers Gents!..Dave/STYX.

07-11-2008, 04:25 PM	#15
djmtsu My minds tellin' me no... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (10) Posts: 4,043 Rep Power: 21	FYI, from what I have read, and I think with backup by RETed, that MAF gadget is useless for our cars. Something about the way our ECU's deal with the MAF signal. Also, the MAF is a restriction on the intake if you are trying to make some good HP. And you can spend $400 elsewhere that will net you horsepower even with the stock MAF. EDIT: even if it is $260, I can think of better ways to make power __________________ 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 2003 Toyota Tundra TRD 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5