Oil system mods. Oil jets and pressure regulators

AHarada · 04-19-2008, 04:34 PM

I am looking at different mods while my engine is apart. I'm interested in the mod that replaces the check ball and spring in the eccentric shaft oil jets with the weber jets. Now I know this may reduce overall oil pressure at idle/lower RPMs.

So what if I used a higher pressure rear oil pressure regulator and shim the front? Would this alleviate any oil pressure issues caused by the oil jet mod? The oil pressure regulator I am looking at specifically is one of these:

http://www.mazdatrix.com/boil3.htm

105-115 psi.

Does anyone know what the stock FD OPR's keep the oil pressure at?

Now they say they are for 74-92 engines, but I don't see why they can't be used REW motors.

I am also considering the OPR mod from this link:
http://www.rebuildingrotaryengines.c..._Oil_Regulator
instead of using that regulator.

And does anyone know how much I would need to shim the front OPR and what parts to use?

AHarada · 04-19-2008, 04:40 PM

Edit: The video states they measured the stock FD regulator at 68 psi, and the modified (crushed top) one at 88 psi. They also state they shim the front OPR by 1/8".

cewrx7r1 · 04-19-2008, 11:12 PM

The stock FD oil system makes over 68psi pressure. It all depends at what rpms you do the tests. In fact it normally will make over 90psi above 4000 rpm.

I did some easy mechanical common sense mods to my oil system to improve oil flow.
This mainly was cleaning up and slightly reshaping the oil pump cavities in the front housing where the pump sits and where the oil comes out. Then I matched up the oil input holes in the stat gears to the oil passages in the rear and front housings.
This along with the PineApple e-shaft washer mod, new rear regulator, new pump, and shimmed front regualtor, my pressure runs about 110psi with the racing oil jets.

I have friends who used the stock oil jets with the ball and spring removed, and their pressure is OK, but not as good as mine.

AHarada · 04-20-2008, 02:56 PM

Could you elaborate on the "PineApple e-shaft washer mod"

So you're using a stock FD rear regulator with a shimmed front regulator?

cewrx7r1 · 04-21-2008, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHarada

Could you elaborate on the "PineApple e-shaft washer mod"

So you're using a stock FD rear regulator with a shimmed front regulator?

http://www.rebuildingrotaryengines.c...e_Modification

cewrx7r1 · 04-21-2008, 03:20 PM

If you view the video, they use air pressure to measure the regulator pressure.
Oil being thicker than air, would give a higher pressure!

Signal 2 · 04-21-2008, 05:04 PM

Any risk to the rear seal (where I'm thinking pressure would be highest) with these mods?

cewrx7r1 · 04-21-2008, 07:00 PM

Both stat gears only have high oil pressure on the bearings. Then the oil leaks out into a large low pressure area to drain. Have you had a chance to looked at the parts and think about how it works?

Signal 2 · 04-21-2008, 08:07 PM

A few weeks ago I re-assembled my engine during the course of my first rebuild. But not necessarily thinking in terms of high and low oil pressure areas. Maybe next time. But thanks.

Barry Bordes · 04-22-2008, 10:55 AM

One of the things I do is to bellmouth the oil pick-up and reinstall the screen.
It is a little hard to see in this picture.
Barry

Barry Bordes · 04-22-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cewrx7r1

This mainly was cleaning up and slightly reshaping the oil pump cavities in the front housing where the pump sits and where the oil comes out. Then I matched up the oil input holes in the stat gears to the oil passages in the rear and front housings.

Like Chuck, I port the oil passages on the pump base and main bearing caps. I also use a little Loctite 515 gasket eliminator on the passage innerface of stat gear to housing.

AHarada · 04-22-2008, 09:28 PM

Do you have any pix of how you port the "main bearing caps"?

And what exactly are the main bearing caps? Isn't that a piston motor part? haha

cewrx7r1 · 04-23-2008, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHarada

Do you have any pix of how you port the "main bearing caps"?

And what exactly are the main bearing caps? Isn't that a piston motor part? haha

When you take out the stat gears, you will notice that the oil holes do not match up with passages in the housing. This is evident by the staining around the holes. This is where you can chamfer them to reduce turbulance.

Some people have actually drilled out the complete passage from housing to stat gear to make them larger. But I think this was on a very race prepared engine. As is done to enlarge the e-shaft passages.

Barry Bordes · 05-01-2008, 10:26 AM

The pump itself leaks at its parting surface.

I do a Judge Ito mod by making the thinnest possible gasket saturated with Loctite 515.

Incidentally this gives the pump an extra .0015” clearance so the next step is lap the housing back to the original dimension.

I also lap all the gears and the separator plate.

Barry

04-19-2008, 04:34 PM	#1
AHarada Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (1) Posts: 162 Rep Power: 17	Oil system mods. Oil jets and pressure regulators I am looking at different mods while my engine is apart. I'm interested in the mod that replaces the check ball and spring in the eccentric shaft oil jets with the weber jets. Now I know this may reduce overall oil pressure at idle/lower RPMs. So what if I used a higher pressure rear oil pressure regulator and shim the front? Would this alleviate any oil pressure issues caused by the oil jet mod? The oil pressure regulator I am looking at specifically is one of these: http://www.mazdatrix.com/boil3.htm 105-115 psi. Does anyone know what the stock FD OPR's keep the oil pressure at? Now they say they are for 74-92 engines, but I don't see why they can't be used REW motors. I am also considering the OPR mod from this link: http://www.rebuildingrotaryengines.c..._Oil_Regulator instead of using that regulator. And does anyone know how much I would need to shim the front OPR and what parts to use?

04-19-2008, 11:12 PM	#3
cewrx7r1 The Judge Join Date: Feb 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 196 Rep Power: 17	The stock FD oil system makes over 68psi pressure. It all depends at what rpms you do the tests. In fact it normally will make over 90psi above 4000 rpm. I did some easy mechanical common sense mods to my oil system to improve oil flow. This mainly was cleaning up and slightly reshaping the oil pump cavities in the front housing where the pump sits and where the oil comes out. Then I matched up the oil input holes in the stat gears to the oil passages in the rear and front housings. This along with the PineApple e-shaft washer mod, new rear regulator, new pump, and shimmed front regualtor, my pressure runs about 110psi with the racing oil jets. I have friends who used the stock oil jets with the ball and spring removed, and their pressure is OK, but not as good as mine. Last edited by cewrx7r1; 04-21-2008 at 02:53 PM..

04-21-2008, 05:04 PM	#7
Signal 2 Viable Fossil Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mid-West iTrader: (0) Posts: 199 Rep Power: 17	Any risk to the rear seal (where I'm thinking pressure would be highest) with these mods? __________________ Jim VR R1 FD Last edited by Signal 2; 04-21-2008 at 05:31 PM..

04-21-2008, 08:07 PM	#9
Signal 2 Viable Fossil Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mid-West iTrader: (0) Posts: 199 Rep Power: 17	A few weeks ago I re-assembled my engine during the course of my first rebuild. But not necessarily thinking in terms of high and low oil pressure areas. Maybe next time. But thanks. __________________ Jim VR R1 FD

04-22-2008, 10:55 AM	#10
Barry Bordes Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Slidell, LA iTrader: (0) Posts: 191 Rep Power: 17	One of the things I do is to bellmouth the oil pick-up and reinstall the screen. It is a little hard to see in this picture. Barry Last edited by Barry Bordes; 04-22-2008 at 11:06 AM..

04-19-2008, 04:40 PM	#2
AHarada Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (1) Posts: 162 Rep Power: 17	Edit: The video states they measured the stock FD regulator at 68 psi, and the modified (crushed top) one at 88 psi. They also state they shim the front OPR by 1/8".

04-20-2008, 02:56 PM	#4
AHarada Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (1) Posts: 162 Rep Power: 17	Could you elaborate on the "PineApple e-shaft washer mod" So you're using a stock FD rear regulator with a shimmed front regulator?

04-21-2008, 03:20 PM	#6
cewrx7r1 The Judge Join Date: Feb 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 196 Rep Power: 17	If you view the video, they use air pressure to measure the regulator pressure. Oil being thicker than air, would give a higher pressure!

04-21-2008, 07:00 PM	#8
cewrx7r1 The Judge Join Date: Feb 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 196 Rep Power: 17	Both stat gears only have high oil pressure on the bearings. Then the oil leaks out into a large low pressure area to drain. Have you had a chance to looked at the parts and think about how it works?

04-22-2008, 09:28 PM	#12
AHarada Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (1) Posts: 162 Rep Power: 17	Do you have any pix of how you port the "main bearing caps"? And what exactly are the main bearing caps? Isn't that a piston motor part? haha

05-01-2008, 10:26 AM	#14
Barry Bordes Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Slidell, LA iTrader: (0) Posts: 191 Rep Power: 17	The pump itself leaks at its parting surface. I do a Judge Ito mod by making the thinnest possible gasket saturated with Loctite 515. Incidentally this gives the pump an extra .0015” clearance so the next step is lap the housing back to the original dimension. I also lap all the gears and the separator plate. Barry