Maximum boost thread (93 oct > pump petrol/gasoline only!)

Kwerks · 07-04-2012, 04:52 PM

This is my favorite thread! <3

RICE RACING · 07-07-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwerks

This is my favorite thread! <3

Mine too

Brad · 07-16-2012, 07:52 AM

rice, in the near future i will try to post up some of my logs from my link in my t04z fd with wm50 (post turbo sorry). did you get the wire-in xtreme ecu or the plugin fd ecu? if the wire-in, did you use the standard vehicle speed input to the stock computer for logging purposes?

Brad.

RICE RACING · 07-17-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

rice, in the near future i will try to post up some of my logs from my link in my t04z fd with wm50 (post turbo sorry). did you get the wire-in xtreme ecu or the plugin fd ecu? if the wire-in, did you use the standard vehicle speed input to the stock computer for logging purposes?

Brad.

ECU board fitted inside original Mazda ECU case in my car, just cause its a super rare SP factory RX7.

Don't be sorry, more people who run these cars and at this level the better, you are part of a very exclusive club

stock speed sensor, calibrated off my Race Logic GPS, but still these things are out due to wheel slip, still not a bad reference if you have non high quality speed trace via race logic gear.

RICE RACING · 08-06-2012, 05:23 AM

So, in 20+ years one thing has remained constant............. FUCK ALL people know how to make a true road going 13B this fast

People come, people go, fortunes are squandered and promises are broken, but still there is only one constant and that is that FUCK ALL people can make these engines as fast and as reliable as I have proven since back before the advent of the internet and the useless cunts that post on them in forums lol.

You don't just see this in this useless space, you see it in everything from Pikes Peak, to your local sports racing series and the new fangeled world of "time attack" worlds latest trend of cock bag no bodies claiming to be the world leaders LOL.

Even Mazda Japan gave up on the turbocharged 13B in mid 1980's in the 717C cause it sent them broke trying to keep up with far smaller piston turbo's ....... they sold out! and went NA 3 rotor then 4 rotor.

The older I get the more I realize water injection is the only hope for turbo rotaries, and still people just do not get it LOL. Ahhhhhh all hail generation useless and the IT generation of cock gaggers LOL

PSI · 08-14-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING

PSI or JZN otherwise known as Green Brothers in New Zealand not shy to post his copy of my water injection ideas here > LOL > http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=974884

Shame he got all shy and can't be fucked updating the thread here since I know who he is

Quote:

This is a common mistake for newbies thinking they can run water injection without a CDI ignition system, I read about how you dented your rotor, and make more power by reducing water, the problem you have is you are letting the motor dictate to you how to run due to the lack of ignition power and not you dictating to the motor how it will run safely.

The splitting of your water tank is another common newbie mistake, if you pay close attention to my WI thread (which I know you have!) you will see the detailed construction of my water tank, it is CNC folded and has not welded seems at all in its construction the end caps are folded over and lap welded. This is the only thing that lasts long term in the pressure ranges we run, also you need to use very thick plate, not light shit most cunts use.

I STRONGLY recommend you switch over to WM50, it is vastly superior to running just plain water, again you can experiment yourself on this but I will safe you allot of time and more broken engine parts

The water jet you think you have copied from me is nothing like what I run

you will need to work out your quantities for yourself.

The mac valve will work with WM50 not a problem, I know I have been using it for a lot of years with my customers and myself in my own car for the last 2 years.

You are really wasting your time bouncing off ideas on rx7club, they are just a bunch of useless cunts over there with not one idea of much at all.

Feel free to come good on who you really are and feel free to share information here, I am willing to help anyone who is up front and not too scared to hide behind the internet

Best Regards.

I don’t mind if you know who I am. I’d actually forgotten about this thread.

To set the record straight, I did not copy you. I got the idea and basic design from a friend and rotary pioneer in NZ (RIP) who ran water injection in his 13B turbo powered 626 back in the early 80’s. His set up sucked through a sidedraft Weber and he used boost operated pre-carb (pre-turbo) water injection to allow more boost with the hi compression rotors of the day. His water injection idea came from WWII fighters as he was an avid aircraft enthusiast and pilot, even becoming friends with an ex Luftwaffe Me109 pilot on one of his trips abroad (he was sent to Germany and other places by the NZ Govt to look at alternative engine technology during the oil crisis of the 70’s).

Other than the info from my friend, I have read about Pratt & Whitney’s work with water injection, and found some good info on Rx7club by Howard Coleman and a guy ‘rx72c’. I only became interested in water injection a year and a half ago because up until then most of my experience had been with n/a engines.

So I guess if you are accusing me of copying you, then everyone with pre-turbo water injection must have copied you right? Realistically, everyones pre-turbo setups are going to be very similar anyway as there are only two ways of going about it – boost operated or elec pump. I went with what I think to be the simplest and potentially most reliable set up. It is also the cheapest setup as I’m on a tight budget.

RICE RACING · 08-15-2012, 03:42 AM

LOL @ the nice story, more fiction than fact ^

Both of your "readers" off the scum site regurgitate my redundant information and generally what I have been doing for decades so by your own admission you have copied me

that's o.k. you are not the first and for sure will not be the last

Free bump to this thread.

Slides · 08-17-2012, 09:12 PM

Thought you might have entered WTAC this year with the car running well?

Quick question, IIRC yuo were running your solenoid at something like 2000hz (much faster than the response speed of the solenoid which is ~6.5ms?? anyway) so in effect you are using it (floating partial open) like an analogue valve rather than cycling on/off to achieve your mapped flow. Do you use a flyback diode over teh solenoid, and how linear to DC% is the flow rate curve (at any fixed feed pressure)?

You still happy with the dynatek CDI box/coils?

RICE RACING · 08-17-2012, 10:32 PM

WTAC is a hack event with near zero return on investment anyway you cut it, so no need to waste sponsors or my money entering it, especially at the vastly inflated prices they stung entrants for this year. You only need look at the caliber of people who never come back to it from Sierra Sierra to the hobo classes in open or ghetto classes in clubsprint....... Being a real road car not run on faggot E85 I can drive my own superlap any time I feel like it and anywhere

don't need to pay some **** for the honor OR waste thousands on tires or other consumables "racing" < LOL agains other loosers

for a $10 plastic trophy.

I never run the solenoid at 2000 times per second.

I run a CDI system yes.

RICE RACING · 08-17-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Slides

WTAC this year

What was fucken intensely funny was seeing that GT Auto molested engine in the NEMO evo, I video'd it at EC and estimated it only had 500bhp LOL. Got flammed by some nobody **** on the internet cause the owner said it has 900HP at the wheels, then some dick head moderator on Ausrotary posts up that the engine did indeed have issues and it was dyno'd @ some dick workshop with 430rwkw LOL LOL LOL..........

Car weight is like 900kg 100kmh to 200kmh in 6.2 seconds
You do the maths, I did, even with a boat anchor (gayest aero on earth) out the back lucky if it made 500bhp at the event that I saw with my own two eyes.

That event and most in it are cunts, useless cunts.

I'd much rather go watch Pikes Peak where real engineers compete, with REAL 1000bhp cars, and real speed to match.

p.s. it's 2012 and still with 2.2lt these arse clowns cant make 1/2 the power that F1 made with 1.5lt and 30 years ago....... that scene is a joke.

RICE RACING · 08-17-2012, 10:48 PM

One car I did say was worth watching in real life was the Tilton interiors EVO! that thing was an animal with what I worked out as 800bhp at the engine.

Still low compared to last years efforts and they have a LONG way to go till they step it up to where the power levels should be. Honestly if we give them 10 years we might see some 1000bhp cars......... see what happens

I think all the real brains just are into other things mate, only the dregs do that Time Attack Rubbish

so there is a lag till you see repeated what was done before by other "smart" people.

I'd like to see a modern version of a Porsche 917/30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYBtCJDQqqg

Rear wheel drive
850kg
1500bhp!
endurance spec
250mph top speed
0-200mph in 10 seconds!
circa 1973 !

Wiki lol
See why "Modern" UNLIMITED Time Attack is FUCKED! (certified Joke)
The 917/30 was the most powerful sports car racer ever built and raced. The 5.374-litre 12 cylinder (90.0 x 70.4 mm) twin-turbocharged engine could produce 1,580 bhp (1,180 kW) in qualifying tune[citation needed], with twin turbochargers run up to full boost, 39 psi (2.7 bar), though it usually raced with around 1,100 bhp (820 kW) at 7,800 rpm to preserve the engine. Weighing 1,800 lb (820 kg), giving it a power to weight of 1967.36 bhp/tonne in qualifying tune and 1369.68 bhp/tonne in race tune. The 917/30 dominated the Can-Am series during the 1973 season. The 917/30 could go from 0-62 mph (100 km/h) in 1.9 seconds, 0-100 mph (160 km/h) in 3.9 seconds, 0-200 mph (320 km/h) in 10.9 seconds, and on to a top speed of more than 260 mph (420 km/h)[citation needed]. The high-level of performance and attendant fuel consumption of the engines, and ever increasing risk, has led to the 917/30 sometimes being cited as the car that killed Can-Am racing[citation needed]. The 917 was also the only championship winning car in Can Am not to be powered by Chevrolet.

RICE RACING · 08-18-2012, 07:33 AM

Just to reinforce how full of shit those NEMO/GT Auto garage cunts are .........
Time Attack crowd in general (Hype Master).

Millen Toyota Tacoma
Running more down force than the wanker EVO abortion
Real 1000bhp @ Engine (3SGTE IMSA 2.1lt engine) 745kw
100kmh to 200kmh = 3.3 seconds!!!!

Millen Jnr Hyundai
Again more down force, similar weight
Only 520 kw engine
30kmh to 200kmh in 6 seconds flat!

Compre proven performer to this joke below (VBOX proven sub standard power! LOL)
Remember EMO EVO needs 6.2+ seconds to do 100kmh to 200kmh. It is very low in power more like 450bhp to 500bhp @ engine range like I said in Ian luffs shit youtube site lol where cunts were spewing out HYPE 900awhp rants LOL.
^^^^^ *ALSO* engine issues code for massive blow by (cabin full of smoke, smoke pissing out of engine on last corner onto main straight!) due to detonated motor trying to run more boost LOL!!!!, all that at ~500bhp let alone 900hp at wheels BS! fucking plastic trophy wannabe's learning to tune LOL.

Time Attack can claim the goods when you see a sub 3 second 100kmh to 200kmh acceleration and over 200mph @ Eastern Creek on the highest down force you can dream up (using a prod car body shape and 1000kg run weight)........... then welcome to 30 years ago where F1 was doing it on Atari PC equipment and stock std BMW engine blocks

long long long way to go till the hype catches up with engineering reality... but it keeps the kiddies and loosers and the general after market battler industry going, so I suppose its a win, thank god generation useless is so stupid, otherwise they would have worked out that these really are nothing cars in the grand scheme of things.

RETed · 08-18-2012, 07:30 PM

Okay, if people feel the need to make new accounts to talk shit in this thread, then I'm going to start to delete more liberally.

Sure, RICE RACING is kept on a long leash, but at least he offers technical information.
If all you're going to do is submit a reply just to crap on him, then I'm deleting it.
If you want to call his BS, submit objective facts.
If your ego can't take his...choice of words, then don't read.

Oh, and it's obvious that anyone who knows anything about racing that those race results were due to something being seriously wrong with the vehicle to be able to put up a more respectable time.
But then again...I wouldn't be surprised if RR did that just to piss of the race organizers on purpose.

EDIT / ADDENDUM: The user whose reply I've deleted is supposedly legit and registered initially / solely to submit the single reply. Apologies if this is the case, but it does not look good for you if that was your first post on a forum. Whatever the case, the reply was still meant as an attack on RR's credibility, and I still stand on my decision to delete the reply in the first place; it does not directly address this thread or add any additional information - reminder: this is a TECH section. Although this forum does not have a central ToU page, if you have any questions on what you should or should not be doing, I will refer you to this lin:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-forum-etiquette.htm

-Ted

RICE RACING · 08-18-2012, 10:30 PM

Back on topic ......... We have got a few real men who are upgrading and fitting water injection and will be updating this thread shortly......... the only ever real way proven over the years to match those in line ~2lt 4cyl engines (the real ones not TA cars LOL) that are making near 1000bhp.

And will be proven with the real measures like in my 100kmh to 200kmh thread too

no hype dubious doctored BS dyno sheets

ROT8WA · 08-19-2012, 01:09 AM

I await the upcoming info with baited breath.

I just wanted to note from my POV I seem to have noticed that some of the workshops that seem to be really successful or "look successful" are the ones who rip people off talking shit and marketing the crap out of things to a degree. Fudging Dyno figures to make their inflated ego's more bloated than a gonad with elephantitis.

And the honest ones have a hard time getting in front...

Other info that I would love to see would be logs/data of a rotary powered vehicle that is running a water injection system on a fairly high boost level say +18psi on OZY 98 pump through a "constant" "non stop"duration of say 5-6 laps. I would love to see how well this thermodynamic system works through torturous transient track style conditions. This to me is the ultimate test of Water Injection limits.

07-04-2012, 04:52 PM	#31
Kwerks FD Spirit Join Date: Dec 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 29 Rep Power: 0	This is my favorite thread! <3 __________________ Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.

08-06-2012, 05:23 AM	#35
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	So, in 20+ years one thing has remained constant............. FUCK ALL people know how to make a true road going 13B this fast People come, people go, fortunes are squandered and promises are broken, but still there is only one constant and that is that FUCK ALL people can make these engines as fast and as reliable as I have proven since back before the advent of the internet and the useless cunts that post on them in forums lol. You don't just see this in this useless space, you see it in everything from Pikes Peak, to your local sports racing series and the new fangeled world of "time attack" worlds latest trend of cock bag no bodies claiming to be the world leaders LOL. Even Mazda Japan gave up on the turbocharged 13B in mid 1980's in the 717C cause it sent them broke trying to keep up with far smaller piston turbo's ....... they sold out! and went NA 3 rotor then 4 rotor. The older I get the more I realize water injection is the only hope for turbo rotaries, and still people just do not get it LOL. Ahhhhhh all hail generation useless and the IT generation of cock gaggers LOL __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

08-15-2012, 03:42 AM	#37
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	LOL @ the nice story, more fiction than fact ^ Both of your "readers" off the scum site regurgitate my redundant information and generally what I have been doing for decades so by your own admission you have copied me that's o.k. you are not the first and for sure will not be the last Free bump to this thread. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

08-17-2012, 10:32 PM	#39
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	WTAC is a hack event with near zero return on investment anyway you cut it, so no need to waste sponsors or my money entering it, especially at the vastly inflated prices they stung entrants for this year. You only need look at the caliber of people who never come back to it from Sierra Sierra to the hobo classes in open or ghetto classes in clubsprint....... Being a real road car not run on faggot E85 I can drive my own superlap any time I feel like it and anywhere don't need to pay some ** for the honor OR waste thousands on tires or other consumables "racing" < LOL agains other loosers for a $10 plastic trophy. I never run the solenoid at 2000 times per second. I run a CDI system yes. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au** Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

08-17-2012, 10:48 PM	#41
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	One car I did say was worth watching in real life was the Tilton interiors EVO! that thing was an animal with what I worked out as 800bhp at the engine. Still low compared to last years efforts and they have a LONG way to go till they step it up to where the power levels should be. Honestly if we give them 10 years we might see some 1000bhp cars......... see what happens I think all the real brains just are into other things mate, only the dregs do that Time Attack Rubbish so there is a lag till you see repeated what was done before by other "smart" people. I'd like to see a modern version of a Porsche 917/30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYBtCJDQqqg Rear wheel drive 850kg 1500bhp! endurance spec 250mph top speed 0-200mph in 10 seconds! circa 1973 ! Wiki lol See why "Modern" UNLIMITED Time Attack is FUCKED! (certified Joke) The 917/30 was the most powerful sports car racer ever built and raced. The 5.374-litre 12 cylinder (90.0 x 70.4 mm) twin-turbocharged engine could produce 1,580 bhp (1,180 kW) in qualifying tune[citation needed], with twin turbochargers run up to full boost, 39 psi (2.7 bar), though it usually raced with around 1,100 bhp (820 kW) at 7,800 rpm to preserve the engine. Weighing 1,800 lb (820 kg), giving it a power to weight of 1967.36 bhp/tonne in qualifying tune and 1369.68 bhp/tonne in race tune. The 917/30 dominated the Can-Am series during the 1973 season. The 917/30 could go from 0-62 mph (100 km/h) in 1.9 seconds, 0-100 mph (160 km/h) in 3.9 seconds, 0-200 mph (320 km/h) in 10.9 seconds, and on to a top speed of more than 260 mph (420 km/h)[citation needed]. The high-level of performance and attendant fuel consumption of the engines, and ever increasing risk, has led to the 917/30 sometimes being cited as the car that killed Can-Am racing[citation needed]. The 917 was also the only championship winning car in Can Am not to be powered by Chevrolet. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration Last edited by RICE RACING; 08-17-2012 at 11:23 PM..

07-16-2012, 07:52 AM	#33
Brad The Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	rice, in the near future i will try to post up some of my logs from my link in my t04z fd with wm50 (post turbo sorry). did you get the wire-in xtreme ecu or the plugin fd ecu? if the wire-in, did you use the standard vehicle speed input to the stock computer for logging purposes? Brad.

08-17-2012, 09:12 PM	#38
Slides Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NSW, Australia iTrader: (0) Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	Thought you might have entered WTAC this year with the car running well? Quick question, IIRC yuo were running your solenoid at something like 2000hz (much faster than the response speed of the solenoid which is ~6.5ms?? anyway) so in effect you are using it (floating partial open) like an analogue valve rather than cycling on/off to achieve your mapped flow. Do you use a flyback diode over teh solenoid, and how linear to DC% is the flow rate curve (at any fixed feed pressure)? You still happy with the dynatek CDI box/coils?

08-18-2012, 07:33 AM	#42
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	TA = play thing for nobodies Just to reinforce how full of shit those NEMO/GT Auto garage cunts are ......... Time Attack crowd in general (Hype Master). Millen Toyota Tacoma Running more down force than the wanker EVO abortion Real 1000bhp @ Engine (3SGTE IMSA 2.1lt engine) 745kw 100kmh to 200kmh = 3.3 seconds!!!! Millen Jnr Hyundai Again more down force, similar weight Only 520 kw engine 30kmh to 200kmh in 6 seconds flat! Compre proven performer to this joke below (VBOX proven sub standard power! LOL) Remember EMO EVO needs 6.2+ seconds to do 100kmh to 200kmh. It is very low in power more like 450bhp to 500bhp @ engine range like I said in Ian luffs shit youtube site lol where cunts were spewing out HYPE 900awhp rants LOL. ^^^^^ ALSO engine issues code for massive blow by (cabin full of smoke, smoke pissing out of engine on last corner onto main straight!) due to detonated motor trying to run more boost LOL!!!!, all that at ~500bhp let alone 900hp at wheels BS! fucking plastic trophy wannabe's learning to tune LOL. Time Attack can claim the goods when you see a sub 3 second 100kmh to 200kmh acceleration and over 200mph @ Eastern Creek on the highest down force you can dream up (using a prod car body shape and 1000kg run weight)........... then welcome to 30 years ago where F1 was doing it on Atari PC equipment and stock std BMW engine blocks long long long way to go till the hype catches up with engineering reality... but it keeps the kiddies and loosers and the general after market battler industry going, so I suppose its a win, thank god generation useless is so stupid, otherwise they would have worked out that these really are nothing cars in the grand scheme of things. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration Last edited by RICE RACING; 12-15-2012 at 01:21 AM..

08-18-2012, 10:30 PM	#44
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Fact V's Fiction Back on topic ......... We have got a few real men who are upgrading and fitting water injection and will be updating this thread shortly......... the only ever real way proven over the years to match those in line ~2lt 4cyl engines (the real ones not TA cars LOL) that are making near 1000bhp. And will be proven with the real measures like in my 100kmh to 200kmh thread too no hype dubious doctored BS dyno sheets __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

08-19-2012, 01:09 AM	#45
ROT8WA The Newbie Join Date: Apr 2012 iTrader: (0) Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	I await the upcoming info with baited breath. I just wanted to note from my POV I seem to have noticed that some of the workshops that seem to be really successful or "look successful" are the ones who rip people off talking shit and marketing the crap out of things to a degree. Fudging Dyno figures to make their inflated ego's more bloated than a gonad with elephantitis. And the honest ones have a hard time getting in front... Other info that I would love to see would be logs/data of a rotary powered vehicle that is running a water injection system on a fairly high boost level say +18psi on OZY 98 pump through a "constant" "non stop"duration of say 5-6 laps. I would love to see how well this thermodynamic system works through torturous transient track style conditions. This to me is the ultimate test of Water Injection limits. Last edited by ROT8WA; 08-19-2012 at 02:46 AM..