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[NoDOHC]

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Where did all of those numbers come from?

I am so sorry, I never explained a thing.

You said that you are at sea level. Thus atmospheric pressure is 14.8 psi.

You said that you were running 11.5 psi of boost. This means that your intake manifold pressure was 14.8 (atmosphere) + 11.5 (boost) or 26.3 psia.

I was running about 14.5 psia at 6700 rpm (800 ft of altitude, no turbo).

A rule of thumb for diesel engines is that the torque boosted = the naturally aspirated torque X the boost ratio (absolute manifold pressure ratio). Diesel engines all run lean of stoic and the AFR is basically the same for turbo and NA.

Thus, if a diesel engine made 159 Wlb-ft at 800 ft elevation Naturally aspirated, it would make 159*(14.8+11.5)/14.5 or 288 lb-ft of torque at 11.5 psi boost and sea level.

I was thrilled to discover that your engine made 283 Wlb-ft of torque at 11.5 psi, as that is very close to that rule of thumb. (Obviously, the rule of thumb is seldom true for gasoline engines due to the excessively rich fuel mixes that must be run for a reliable turbo setup). I always theorized that if the AFR were the same on a boosted engine as it was on a NA engine, the ratio would work out (and it did).

Now unfortunately, You have a better compression ratio (which helps your power) and a better intake manifold, so there is a good chance that I will not see these improvements when I turbocharge my engine. But I really do intend to run at 13.0:1 AFR at 14.5 psi boost and I am relying on my intercooler, my low compression ratio and my ultra-polished combustion chambers to save me from detonation.

First I must experiment with the effects of compression ratio on a NA engine before I put the 8.2:1 rotors back in and install the turbo.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by antman0408

I couldn't make it up there last week, others things came up, but I'll be able to make the 22nd. Maybe I could put my car on the dyno if there's enough time, I'm curious as to what its putting down.

Hey man, that would be sweet.... but we changed the date, I'm heading there on Tuesday the 20th.

Originally Posted by NoDOHC

I am so sorry, I never explained a thing.

You said that you are at sea level. Thus atmospheric pressure is 14.8 psi.

You said that you were running 11.5 psi of boost. This means that your intake manifold pressure was 14.8 (atmosphere) + 11.5 (boost) or 26.3 psia.

I was running about 14.5 psia at 6700 rpm (800 ft of altitude, no turbo).

A rule of thumb for diesel engines is that the torque boosted = the naturally aspirated torque X the boost ratio (absolute manifold pressure ratio). Diesel engines all run lean of stoic and the AFR is basically the same for turbo and NA.

Thus, if a diesel engine made 159 Wlb-ft at 800 ft elevation Naturally aspirated, it would make 159*(14.8+11.5)/14.5 or 288 lb-ft of torque at 11.5 psi boost and sea level.

I was thrilled to discover that your engine made 283 Wlb-ft of torque at 11.5 psi, as that is very close to that rule of thumb. (Obviously, the rule of thumb is seldom true for gasoline engines due to the excessively rich fuel mixes that must be run for a reliable turbo setup). I always theorized that if the AFR were the same on a boosted engine as it was on a NA engine, the ratio would work out (and it did).

Now unfortunately, You have a better compression ratio (which helps your power) and a better intake manifold, so there is a good chance that I will not see these improvements when I turbocharge my engine. But I really do intend to run at 13.0:1 AFR at 14.5 psi boost and I am relying on my intercooler, my low compression ratio and my ultra-polished combustion chambers to save me from detonation.

First I must experiment with the effects of compression ratio on a NA engine before I put the 8.2:1 rotors back in and install the turbo.

Gotcha, that all makes sense actually..... Dave is higher than sea level though. I don't know what his altitude is but I seem to remember MAP sensor reading something 97.5 kpa. I can look at the logs and tell you what the MAP reading was. That will give you the absolute pressure. Whatever the actual boost was plus whatever the atmosphere was.

[antman0408]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Hey man, that would be sweet.... but we changed the date, I'm heading there on Tuesday the 20th.

The 20th works out better for me anyway. What time do you think you'll be getting there?

[FC3S Murray]

Originally Posted by NoDOHC

But I really do intend to run at 13.0:1 AFR at 14.5 psi boost and I am relying on my intercooler, my low compression ratio and my ultra-polished combustion chambers to save me from detonation.

First I must experiment with the effects of compression ratio on a NA engine before I put the 8.2:1 rotors back in and install the turbo.

What do you have for heat shielding in your engine bay?

I have read numerous 3rd gen owners that have spent large amounts of time working on heat dissipation with heat shielding, coolant passage mods, ceramic coating, fresh air ducting, ect..all to keep the MAIN enemy low as possible. I think you could run 13.0:1 AFR IF your temps are all very low and stable. It is the continued abuse and boosting at that specific AFR that improper heat prevention could be the killer.

There is a 3rd gen owner in the rx7club who has Einstein as his avatar(forgot name) but he has focused on heat prevention more then anything else and he is making 500 whp on pump gas constantly.

I have focused on this on my new motor all except the coolant passage way milling(most important..wish i would have). I will say my temps under the hood with my heat shielding, ceramic coating, exhst wrap and fresh air ducting and UIM and LIM coating have been impressive BUT until full boost my observations are just that...observations, nothing concrete or substantial til then.