Aftermarket FPR on NA? - Page 2

Thumper · 12-19-2010, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RETed

The non-turbo 13B's biggest disadvantage to making lots of power is it's stock intake system.
You'll need to scrap the stock intake manifolds if you're going for serious power on an NA 13B.-Ted

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC

Thumper:
If I were you, I would take jerd_hambone and RETed's advice and worry about the intake manifold. you will see significantly more gains from prudent intake modifications than you will see from spending a lot of money on an already functional fuel system.

As far as the intake is concerned what do you suggest? Going the custom route? I also read that converting to a carb or ITBs will give higher gains, but Id like to stay away from carbs and I came up short when looking into the ITBs, any info on those?

RETed · 12-19-2010, 05:04 AM

If power is the ultimate goal, I would just go turbo...

-Ted

Thumper · 12-19-2010, 10:27 AM

Ha ha I knew that was coming, Im starting to lean that way.

RotorDad · 12-19-2010, 12:14 PM

Kinsler twin blade Dominator style.

TWM 62mm 4 injector ITB's

RotorDad · 12-19-2010, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thumper

As far as the intake is concerned what do you suggest? Going the custom route? I also read that converting to a carb or ITBs will give higher gains, but Id like to stay away from carbs and I came up short when looking into the ITBs, any info on those?

TWM which is now Borla Induction has ITB's, get an IDA manifold your good to go.
http://www.twminduction.com/Throttle...leBody-FR.html
62mm 4 injector IDA style

Kinsler Fuel Injection has a twin blade Dominator style throttle body you will need a Holley style manifold.
http://www.kinsler.com/page--New-Products--3.html

There are a few other ITB's & a few 4 barrel Holley style throttle bodies out there just don't remember off the top of my head. Then again like ReTed suggested go turbo.

Thumper · 12-20-2010, 12:36 AM

Well thanks for the info guys, I think I am going to just do the basic "bolt ons" on my NA for now and use it to practice tuning (BTW which tuning software do you suggest? I have been looking into megasquirt). When the time comes for a rebuild, Ill do a turbo swap.

NoDOHC · 12-20-2010, 07:52 PM

I hadn't seen the Kinsler throttle setup before, let alone on a rotary. Do you have to use a RB manifold or something like it? I have seen many ITB setups, most of them are using weber manifolds.

You may have opened a can of worms here... Everyone has their favorite tuning software.

Obviously, the tuning software has to go with the ECU in your car.

For you, an RTEK or similar piggyback ECU would be simpler. Unless you want to replace your entire wiring harness anyway (like if you install ITBs).

I have found the Haltech E6X to be simple to set up and use, but then again, it lacks features. The E8 has a lot more features, but is also harder to set up (although easier to tune).

Megasquirt is quite simple and easy (although it has been a long time since I tuned a megasquirt - I think the last one I did had no numbers after it). The megasquirt is very inexpensive compared to the rest.

I messed with a Motec once (a long time ago) - I remember it having a 3D map (a first for me). I am guessing that they are still ahead of their time (expensive though).

RotorDad · 12-20-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC

I hadn't seen the Kinsler throttle setup before, let alone on a rotary. Do you have to use a RB manifold or something like it? I have seen many ITB setups, most of them are using weber manifolds.

You may have opened a can of worms here... Everyone has their favorite tuning software.

For the ITB's you could use one of the Weber manifolds or the RB Holley manifold for the Kinsler. Now on the more expensive end of things you could have a custom sheet metal manifold made for either.

Hogan's Racing Manifolds are damn nice if you have the cash to spend & there are a few more but you get the idea.

http://hogansracingmanifolds.com/index.aspx

TheDriver216 · 12-21-2010, 03:48 AM

im kinda partial to this... seems very affordable and have heard a few guys running them

http://www.auto-nomics.com/cgi-bin/s...part=12168-001

RotorDad · 12-21-2010, 02:52 PM

^ Hey that's the same throttle body I have on my supercharged RX7, except I had mine bored to 1150 cfm.

12-19-2010, 12:14 PM	#19
RotorDad Big Ugly Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 591 Rep Power: 17	Kinsler twin blade Dominator style. TWM 62mm 4 injector ITB's __________________ *Boosted Big Body On 335's* PS3 ID: Rotordad 1986 Mazda RX7 GXL - Street ported 13BT, Haltech, 62mm, ect. 2006 MazdaSpeed 6 - Eagle, Wiseco, Cobb, ect. Last edited by RotorDad; 12-19-2010 at 12:24 PM.

12-20-2010, 07:52 PM	#22
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	I hadn't seen the Kinsler throttle setup before, let alone on a rotary. Do you have to use a RB manifold or something like it? I have seen many ITB setups, most of them are using weber manifolds. You may have opened a can of worms here... Everyone has their favorite tuning software. Obviously, the tuning software has to go with the ECU in your car. For you, an RTEK or similar piggyback ECU would be simpler. Unless you want to replace your entire wiring harness anyway (like if you install ITBs). I have found the Haltech E6X to be simple to set up and use, but then again, it lacks features. The E8 has a lot more features, but is also harder to set up (although easier to tune). Megasquirt is quite simple and easy (although it has been a long time since I tuned a megasquirt - I think the last one I did had no numbers after it). The megasquirt is very inexpensive compared to the rest. I messed with a Motec once (a long time ago) - I remember it having a 3D map (a first for me). I am guessing that they are still ahead of their time (expensive though). __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

12-21-2010, 02:52 PM	#25
RotorDad Big Ugly Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 591 Rep Power: 17	^ Hey that's the same throttle body I have on my supercharged RX7, except I had mine bored to 1150 cfm. __________________ *Boosted Big Body On 335's* PS3 ID: Rotordad 1986 Mazda RX7 GXL - Street ported 13BT, Haltech, 62mm, ect. 2006 MazdaSpeed 6 - Eagle, Wiseco, Cobb, ect. Last edited by RotorDad; 12-21-2010 at 03:08 PM.

12-19-2010, 10:27 AM	#18
Thumper Backyard Mechanic Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 15	Ha ha I knew that was coming, Im starting to lean that way.

12-20-2010, 12:36 AM	#21
Thumper Backyard Mechanic Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 50 Rep Power: 15	Well thanks for the info guys, I think I am going to just do the basic "bolt ons" on my NA for now and use it to practice tuning (BTW which tuning software do you suggest? I have been looking into megasquirt). When the time comes for a rebuild, Ill do a turbo swap.

12-21-2010, 03:48 AM	#24
TheDriver216 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 159 Rep Power: 18	im kinda partial to this... seems very affordable and have heard a few guys running them http://www.auto-nomics.com/cgi-bin/s...part=12168-001