thinking about dabbling with N/a setups

Silver86 · 06-17-2010, 05:07 PM

since i really cant afford a big nice turbo build... i did some thinking and remembered that i had planned on building a well rounded N/a setup... not something i can kill v8s with, but something that will keep me happy.

right now im thinking something along the lines of 4-port N/a, s5 rotors, rx8 e-shaft, ITBs, some sort of engine management (please recommend one)... so far thats as far as i have gotten...

i know a guy that lives near by that has a similar setup (i think he still posts here) that really caught my eye.

anyone ever play around with N/a setups that can give me a little advice or recommendations on what to get?

jerd_hambone · 06-17-2010, 06:08 PM

I don't know about with ITB's.

But around 200 horses is the most I've seen N/A.

Silver86 · 06-17-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jerd_hambone

I don't know about with ITB's.

But around 200 horses is the most I've seen N/A.

that i know... im not going for max HP... other wise i would go turbo

My5ABaby · 06-17-2010, 07:30 PM

For the money you'll spend on that setup you could get a stock S4 TII setup that makes more power and has nice response.

Buggy · 06-17-2010, 09:25 PM

Ya, ITB's aren't really a cheap way to go unless you can fabricate a manifold yourself. I was going to build something similar for my FC but then decided to go turbo. I was going to use some sort of motorcycle throttle bodies and make a manifold to mate to a S4 TII lower intake manifold. I ended up using all the cool bits I collected for that project to build the engine for my Rx-4. NA engines are interesting to play with. I'm still trying to tweak my Rx-4 to see what it's capable of. It's nice to know you won't kill an apex seal if it goes lean for a second.

Whizbang · 06-17-2010, 09:27 PM

unless you get an FB and some junkyard 4.78s

Silver86 · 06-17-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravity Fed

unless you get an FB

explain

edit: before this goes any further... i should explain that im not made of money and dropping 1200~1800 on a TII engine isnt gonna happen... going this route allows me to piece together an engine over time. also, not having to worry about throwing a seal is a big plus.

jerd_hambone · 06-17-2010, 10:29 PM

To get any power from an N/A you have to go standalone, and that costs quite a bit.

Whizbang · 06-18-2010, 01:15 AM

used megasquirt setups have gone for 200 or you can assemble it yourself on the cheap.

FBs with 84-85 axles have a multitude of gearing options, including 4.44 and 4.78 from junkyard cars. Potentially a 5.13 ratio im working to verify. Gearing is good!

Buggy · 06-18-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jerd_hambone

To get any power from an N/A you have to go standalone, and that costs quite a bit.

You just have to watch for deals and be at the right place at the right time. I just witnessed a Haltech E6X with harness sell for $200. A brand new Rtek 2.1 would probably only cost around $500 or so.

NoDOHC · 06-27-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Buggy

You just have to watch for deals and be at the right place at the right time. I just witnessed a Haltech E6X with harness sell for $200. A brand new Rtek 2.1 would probably only cost around $500 or so.

You're kidding! Did you buy it?

To the OP: We should talk, I have some 4 port irons that we could slap on your engine. I actually was saving them for a turbo project. Unfortunately, the ECU is going to be your biggest issue.

Like Buggy said, keep your eyes out for good deals on EMS. Any ECU that can run a rotary will work, Haltech, Motec (expensive), Megaquirt, microtech, etc.

Silver86 · 06-27-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NoDOHC

You're kidding! Did you buy it?

To the OP: We should talk, I have some 4 port irons that we could slap on your engine. I actually was saving them for a turbo project. Unfortunately, the ECU is going to be your biggest issue.

Like Buggy said, keep your eyes out for good deals on EMS. Any ECU that can run a rotary will work, Haltech, Motec (expensive), Megaquirt, microtech, etc.

i was hoping you would chime in

ill be keeping in touch... i plan on removing the engine sometime this summer.

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My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 19	For the money you'll spend on that setup you could get a stock S4 TII setup that makes more power and has nice response. __________________ 1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles Community Service Manual RotorWiki "Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."

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Buggy I've been Wankeled! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mildmay, Ontario, Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 260 Rep Power: 15	Ya, ITB's aren't really a cheap way to go unless you can fabricate a manifold yourself. I was going to build something similar for my FC but then decided to go turbo. I was going to use some sort of motorcycle throttle bodies and make a manifold to mate to a S4 TII lower intake manifold. I ended up using all the cool bits I collected for that project to build the engine for my Rx-4. NA engines are interesting to play with. I'm still trying to tweak my Rx-4 to see what it's capable of. It's nice to know you won't kill an apex seal if it goes lean for a second. __________________ 1976 Rx-4 hardtop. Half bridge 3B 13B, S5 NA rotors, Renesis e-shaft, stat gears, and bearings, balanced rotating assembly, RE dual weber 36 DCD's 203rwhp 137ft-lbs torque DGRR 2011 3rd place 1974 Rx-4 all original 27,000 miles 1988 Rx-7 TII 320rwhp. DGRR 2012 3rd place

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Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	used megasquirt setups have gone for 200 or you can assemble it yourself on the cheap. FBs with 84-85 axles have a multitude of gearing options, including 4.44 and 4.78 from junkyard cars. Potentially a 5.13 ratio im working to verify. Gearing is good! __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook