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RICE RACING 12-04-2014 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Ludwig (Post 293619)
I didn't take into account scallops on the leading edge of the rotors. I've only ever used them on the trailing edge. So, yes, you will create overlap. Good looking work!

Thanks,

I will also have up pics of my own manufactured Apex Seals soon too :suspect:

Prodigy 12-04-2014 08:13 PM

Did you modify the size/shape of the tub on the rotor to lower compression? Looks like you increased the area and depth of it...


J.

RICE RACING 12-04-2014 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 293673)
Did you modify the size/shape of the tub on the rotor to lower compression? Looks like you increased the area and depth of it...


J.

YES, it is the only way to cure the FUCKED Mazda casting and equalize the CR on each face, but most importantly to run the correct CR needed for highest power and reliable operation.

RICE RACING 12-04-2014 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 293673)
Did you modify the size/shape of the tub on the rotor to lower compression? Looks like you increased the area and depth of it...


J.

YES, it is the only way to cure the FUCKED Mazda casting and equalize the CR on each face, but most importantly to run the correct CR needed for highest power and reliable operation.

If you look at the old Honda F1 turbo days (running 84% Methyl benzene fuel)
2.5bar (22psi engine) ran 9.5:1 CR
4.0bar (43psi engine) ran 7.4:1 CR
It's all about using the right CR to stay within the effective compression ratio guidelines I posted above in my spreadsheet.
early pump fuel turbo engines ran 6.5:1 CR
Mazda Factory 13B bridge turbo's and the same motors sent to RB ran 7.5:1 CR

Its not Rocket Science, just basic Thermodynamics and laws being respected.

My CR is not openly disclosed but you can guess it's near these correct figures ;)

speedjunkie 12-05-2014 03:53 PM

OK thanks!

Prodigy 12-27-2014 10:16 PM

Hey Rice, links to the pictures on the start off your thread are dead, you going to fix them?


J.

RICE RACING 12-28-2014 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 295354)
Hey Rice, links to the pictures on the start off your thread are dead, you going to fix them?


J.

Nup, fuck imageshack, no time to go redo those.

Last build iteration I did not even post on the net, doubt I will do this one either, just too busy with apex seal manufacture and car testing + customer consultation.

My days of build threads are over. IF I do that again will host pics on my own site and do a dedicated page for it..... will see, this latest set up is really nice, once done and I happy to share it I will mate.

RICE RACING 12-31-2014 06:30 AM

Fact from Fiction
 
So unlike useless c-u-n-t-s on the GAYCLUB.COM forum kindergarden cop Arnie maths level hypothesis shit........... I am working on my latest generation Coil ON Plug set up.

This will be to cater for the 'popular IGN-1A coils every mother fucker seems to run now!

I will test these but in special Ignition Projects versions which have been sent to me to evaluate, if there is interest I might develop a kit if people lick my balls hard enough.

Some development pics... YES I drew that mother fucker of a spark plug!!! LOL what a c-u-n-t of a job LOL

http://i.imgur.com/79SXE6P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BwcpivB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZhefQPY.jpg

STEEL SCIENCE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!! this my main time hungry part of my days lately !!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/ftA9s49.jpg

RICE RACING 12-31-2014 06:49 AM

Fits like a finger in an anus :)

http://i.imgur.com/VmGJHnl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qOd7XZw.jpg

Fendamonky 12-31-2014 09:09 AM

Looks good Peter. If you need somebody (else) to beta test it... :suspect:


:lol:

speedjunkie 12-31-2014 06:48 PM

Yeah I'm switching to the AEM coils too lol. This looks interesting...

RICE RACING 12-31-2014 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 295740)
Yeah I'm switching to the AEM coils too lol. This looks interesting...

Drawing the c-u-n-t of a coil now, then will do assembly showing it together and will make up the other parts to complete it..... project in the works :banghead:

Good to use CREO though can model the shit and refine the design before I start munging some material :)
This is a RR COP version 2, much better than my last design, more though going into it!

Reclaimer Auto 12-31-2014 10:52 PM

Nicccccce

RICE RACING 12-31-2014 11:24 PM

Finished this part of it, all parts line up well and on the way to doing final detail work.
RR leading the way on true COP for rotary engines :)

http://i.imgur.com/MwyWe0S.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qybFuza.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GsLU2hM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lweTaMy.jpg

RICE RACING 01-01-2015 03:10 AM

Almost done, quick model of the reference points of where the plugs actually sit (R7420) and the mounting boss on the center plate, will design a Fr and Rr bracket system, so coils come off in the RR modular per rotor system :cheers2:

http://i.imgur.com/oAUfScn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kl0cbkg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1RILXex.jpg

RICE RACING 01-01-2015 05:15 AM

This is the final positioning of the IGN-1A's :smash:
Will get on and design the fixture now.

http://i.imgur.com/Z01FF7q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VEQqO20.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AaTcF8p.jpg

speedjunkie 01-01-2015 09:01 AM

Damn. I've never even worked with stuff like this and the thought of all the time that went into this makes me wanna blow my brains out lol.

Do you have an idea of how far this will stick out on the side of the engine? Is it for RHD only or will it clear the steering shaft on LHD cars too? I made a mount that fits the coils almost in the stock position and I have some ridiculously short plug wires, but it's a pretty ghetto mount and your work turns out much nicer than mine LOL. That is some CRAZY work, it looks great! I'm very excited to see where this goes.

dakar318 01-01-2015 09:41 AM

The way you say **** in every post makes me think there is a different meaning to it lol.

Maybe because I have been creeping/researching all your posts on here and old ones on the MOTHER FUCKING GAYCLUB.COM/C-U-N-T-S lol.

Anyways, keep up the good work.

RICE RACING 01-01-2015 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 295798)
Damn. I've never even worked with stuff like this and the thought of all the time that went into this makes me wanna blow my brains out lol.

Do you have an idea of how far this will stick out on the side of the engine? Is it for RHD only or will it clear the steering shaft on LHD cars too? I made a mount that fits the coils almost in the stock position and I have some ridiculously short plug wires, but it's a pretty ghetto mount and your work turns out much nicer than mine LOL. That is some CRAZY work, it looks great! I'm very excited to see where this goes.

Yes it is hard on the brain@!
I did all of this in 1995 when I got my first job running a 3 axis CNC/CAD milling machine at a local machine shop (then using mastercam).. was never a machinist back then just straight out of mech eng school!@.... ten years later I did my trade in fitting and machining and plyaed a bit with Inventor and more CNC shit, but never did work like this detail (never had the time).

Last job a mate gave me Pro Engineer CREO2.0 and I have been learning it in the last 4 days or so, its very hand to draw/design in like this cause you can place things and check them working BEFORE molesting materials.

On that front I will measure the assembly and get back to you on how far its past the mounting boss on the center plate, its not that far, I designed it to be as compact as is humanly possible and to clear everything on a physical engine (and engine bay)... my last iteration of this hung out MUCH further RR COP version 1 which is the ONLY one you will ever see pics of on the internets LOL.

There are some ghetto mother fuckers who have used Honda motor cycle COP units and just hung them off the sides in LHD cars and they fit (you can google it) so this should be no worries..................

Will let you know!@ only 4 hours sleep and back into it now! this is how to get shit like this done! less typing Howard Coleman style on GAYCLUB.COM and more actual working RR RCC style YO! :fawk:

RICE RACING 01-01-2015 05:00 PM

This is how far it hangs out, there is the plug body and mating connector to add to this (allow 50mm or so).

REF: from the matting boss on the center plate.

http://i.imgur.com/uOlDW3N.jpg

chibikougan 01-01-2015 05:12 PM

Ooooh:o16:

RICE RACING 01-02-2015 02:54 AM

Finished set up, I want the last 4 days of my life back!

http://i.imgur.com/zl3NLOU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SCID83H.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wj4R8S0.jpg

chibikougan 01-02-2015 03:16 AM

I do like that mount. Nice work!

RICE RACING 01-02-2015 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 295832)
I do like that mount. Nice work!

The detail is in there, cant see it in the assembly, its recessed at the back to fit well over the boss on the center plate.

I am happy with the design, shit fits perfectly and looks good, there is detail stuff I will optimize but I think it will be gag factor good.

If people are will to pay for quality I don't know? either way ........ :)

http://i.imgur.com/dn1E6GF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HEG2mFm.jpg

RICE RACING 01-02-2015 04:10 AM

Last pic....................

http://i.imgur.com/Sejya3e.jpg

I optimized in axially by trimming off 10mm on the COP adapter interface, its a very tight package now, the adapters will be encased in rubber to insulate them and will trick them up in the locking mechanism to the coil and plug ends.

This looks like a winner, Howard Coleman would surely run some kindergarden cop style maths and MS pain graphs showing why it is shit though LOL.
Unlike him I have a running car and LOL.

http://i.imgur.com/zIopfOg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BT9utsF.jpg

And fixed up the engine mounted bracket, so it fully supports the coils with zero load on the plugs.

http://i.imgur.com/DP106OA.jpg

speedjunkie 01-02-2015 02:50 PM

DAAAAAAAMN. Looks REALLY good.

Depends on the price, but I've been known to drop some coin on some nice stuff, so I'd be willing to on this as well most likely. Now my only concern is my water injection pump that is mounted to the firewall and might not clear the coils on the rear housing. I forgot about that lol.

Fendamonky 01-02-2015 04:37 PM

Looks sexy Peter!!! Any concerns of potential for heat transfer from the plugs to the coils?

Now i just want a dollar amount!! :awesome:

RICE RACING 01-03-2015 01:22 AM

Thanks boys, in regards to the 'heat transfer' question: ceramic is an insulator so the tip of the plug is as cool as it gets in the engine bay, will transfer very little to the coil itself.

Another great aspect of my mounting is they are in free air so the coils are cooled by passing draft through the engine bay = WINNING.

Slides 01-03-2015 06:24 AM

Looks good.

Will there be some kind of extended insulator boot down the plug body as part of of the block wrap? I was going to ask if you were going to print them in plastic and just have a crossover wire between contacts, but your latest post makes that a bit redundant. Interested to see what you do with encasement.

RICE RACING 01-03-2015 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slides (Post 295906)
Looks good.

Will there be some kind of extended insulator boot down the plug body as part of of the block wrap? I was going to ask if you were going to print them in plastic and just have a crossover wire between contacts, but your latest post makes that a bit redundant. Interested to see what you do with encasement.

I intentionally try to keep some detail 'secret' :)

The plug to post adaption will be made from Nylon with special internal buttons that are bridged via 'half nazi symbol' piece of spring steel I make for the job, its a real intricate piece of work :) but is the ideal solution to account for production variances in coils, plugs, rotor housings! etc............ I try to account for all of this in my design.

Well I custom make all of the parts lol, the buttons are intricate and all modeled for function in the block, as you know good design is 5% inspiration 95% perspiration !

The whole system is true 'clip on' with one bolt hold each rotor assembly in place.

speedjunkie 01-03-2015 01:04 PM

I'll be taking my car to CLudwig sometime early this next year hopefully. Will these be available by then? lol Assuming they will fit with my water inj pump and all.

RICE RACING 01-03-2015 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 295911)
I'll be taking my car to CLudwig sometime early this next year hopefully. Will these be available by then? lol Assuming they will fit with my water inj pump and all.

Yeah, I'll be making it for myself (genesis of my products, WI, apex seals, this) so out of the goodness of my heart will offer to others.

Here is some detail on the connection (HALF NAZI)
There is an internal button/ball, pre loaded with spring, that allows 'clip on function'... I told you it was an intricate design :smilielol5:

http://i.imgur.com/qnZMUwV.jpg

RICE RACING 01-03-2015 08:21 PM

Here is another view showing the ball/button engaging with the spark plug end, same happens on the coil end. Pre load on spring and movement all check and specified.

http://i.imgur.com/V5LNnNi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZfpeErH.jpg

Installing a ball/button...

http://i.imgur.com/UOtyfhU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lbym0Y2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Tkwt4rn.jpg

RICE RACING 01-03-2015 11:23 PM

HALF NAZI spring installed with modified buttons :banghead:

http://i.imgur.com/LCVlaQK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MewRDsI.jpg

RICE RACING 01-04-2015 12:56 AM

More optimization! :suspect:
Fuck it would be impossible without this CAD though!
Also never attempt to do this without some parts on hand LOL did the spring and fastener mount then went and checked some torx screws I have in stock they are 1.8mm with 3.48mm head and I cant even pick them in my hand LOL!!!! :smilielol5: making the spring would have been a nightmare :smilielol5:

Revised !

http://i.imgur.com/Der4TBM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FMLPCNv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/i413cyU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5vcFSCi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MSLSFPk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mwVlqso.jpg

Shit is starting to look good now, not far to go in design process then will start making the c-u-n-t-s ~! :party:

RICE RACING 01-04-2015 04:49 AM

Finished! now back to MS Paint and Kindergarden cop maths with Howard !
 
O.K. Finalized fastener sizes, trimmed up some aspects and this is basically locked down, have smashed it into a group buy thread to gauge some interest and if its viable to make for others, if not will just be for ME :) ;) :suspect: :gnorsi:

http://i.imgur.com/EUwemy7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FitX65P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WZXGYdH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5lz2qd8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rVsCGik.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fWhtGRf.jpg

speedjunkie 01-04-2015 04:09 PM

Sweet!

RICE RACING 01-04-2015 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 295958)
Sweet!

Thanks :302:

I've done even more detail work to the COP adaptor/s.... It's fucking sweet ass now, very tight design and 99% optimized now. I'm happy with everything else, many days refining to point where I would class it as almost perfect now.

Sure is better than my last COP set up which I just slapped together :fawk:
still lasted without issues for years.... must know what I am doing lol.

speedjunkie 01-04-2015 10:41 PM

I actually thought your previous setup was awesome too lol. I've wanted to do a COP setup at least since I saw the first setup, but I figured I never would. You've probably covered this before, but other than no "line drop" over the length of plug wires, and no wires that degrade over time, what are the advantages of COP over using wires?

So I assume that after you make a set of these you'll test them on your car in true RR fashion and log different parameters and get all scientific with it? lol

RICE RACING 01-04-2015 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 296000)
I actually thought your previous setup was awesome too lol. I've wanted to do a COP setup at least since I saw the first setup, but I figured I never would. You've probably covered this before, but other than no "line drop" over the length of plug wires, and no wires that degrade over time, what are the advantages of COP over using wires?

So I assume that after you make a set of these you'll test them on your car in true RR fashion and log different parameters and get all scientific with it? lol

Advantages
* zero power loss
* RFI immune
* ultimate coil cooling
* LOOKS FUCKEN SICK !
* no huge antenna wires sending high voltage through the engine bay
* no arcing out against body work
* no cross arcing
* never need coil wires ever again
* less plug fouling as more energy at plug
* less engine misfires due to loss of power at plug tip

Disadvantages
* need tool to take off plug modules (1 x allen bolt)
* initial cost (maybe double,triple,quadruple? a set of top shelf after market wires) LOL (still to work that out)
* may not fit all applications different cars, unique set ups)
* need to keep 2 x old wires off your IGN-1A kit to do base timing (take off module and plug up wires to fit inductive timing light pick up)

I am sure there is more in either side, but that mostly sums it up.

Yes I will test it, but no real need, went through development with my first COP set up, this one is much better in ever respect and suits the majority of users who run these coils :D


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