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TitaniumTT 12-28-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FC3S Murray (Post 135256)
Nice video man! So if my math is right you are around 410rwhp correct?
That thing IS the definition of the rotary rocket :)

Glad to see you have finally beared fruit after all your hard work. I will agree that if your research is not 100% you wlll see a higher failure rate in the rotary then in conventional piston reciprocating engines.

That was the exact reason why my 13BT destroyed itself. I should have spent more time researching, I went farther then most '"average" rotary gearheads in regards to build precision, thermal control/scavenging and knock deterrents but not quite the 100% distance. I do hope in the future when my Family life slows down and my free time comes back to be involved again in a turbo rotary build with water injection.

For now my LS1 swap will have to satisfy my desire for a high power reliable engine that doesn't need as much attention.

Anyway, great job on the FD man. Very impressive craftsmanship. Enjoy it!!

No, your shit blew up becuase you used BDC ported plates, and an aux system that is basically BDC's concocktion. That engine of yours was awesome, fucking mint! idled perfectly, pulled awesome and ran like a raped ape..... then she consumed that meth bullshit, she puked, laughed, cracked a plate and your balls fell off, rolled under the car and that AL hunk of crap ended up in the bay

At least it's one of the cleanest swaps that I've seen yet..... so I don't have to kill you.... just tie you down and let kyle rape you.

RICE RACING 12-30-2010 05:18 PM

^ Have to say I agree, ANYTHING involving that ass wipe BDC and his crack pot uneducated un qualified pony tail theories & shit talk is bound to end up in rotary tragedy :icon_tdown:

But there is a whole thread dedicated to this one persons legacy :rofl: This thread is about a car that works :auto: designed/built/tuned by someone single handed who holds relevant qualifications and has provided proof and hopefully inspiration for others that it's not too hard to achieve the same thing (especially when you can copy), a fast, very reliable, rotary powered Mazda street car............................ super car!

:auto:

RICE RACING 01-01-2011 05:43 PM

Well have had an unreal holiday break, driving the RICESP around 2000km at the current performance setting :driving:

Took a nice photo of it after a wash in some nice lighting, enjoy :icon_tup:

p.s. The thing is just unreal, its taken almost a year of constant tweaks and refinement but it is all worth it. One of the things I love the best is the economy of it! 20lt of fuel nets me on average around 150km of driving with a fair mix of full power runs and general cruising mixed in :o13: it's perfect :o13:

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7...cricespbes.jpg

RICE RACING 01-02-2011 09:12 PM

Done a bit more fine tuning :)
Few mapping changes and WI and IC spray delivery rate tweaks, brought down the charge temperature and increased the power at the same boost setting as a result..... It is an Animal. :117:

diabolical1 01-03-2011 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 135315)
... I can't do the typed word justice in trying to express how fucking awesome it is to have a quiet nice to drive rotary, that behaves beautifully, drives nice, and is fuel efficient and able to be filled up anywhere and driven over 900km on a single tank of fuel ...

well done, man.

what you said there is what matters! setting all the commentaries, opinions, bashing and business rhetoric aside, THIS is what it's all about ... enjoyment. it sounds like you've achieved it and to me, that's worth more than any other claim one can make.

RICE RACING 01-03-2011 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by diabolical1 (Post 136331)
well done, man.

what you said there is what matters! setting all the commentaries, opinions, bashing and business rhetoric aside, THIS is what it's all about ... enjoyment. it sounds like you've achieved it and to me, that's worth more than any other claim one can make.

Well said :hurray: :iagree:

Have had a really great time over the holidays, just today she has had a chance to rest (back to work tomorrow :() covered around 2000km, today was fun slotting her back into 3rd and passing cars revs flaring and wheel spinning :117: at rocketing to 100mph, its a real beast, enough power on tap and its there any time, no excuses :117:

Last week I went to go see a good friend of mine (150km round trip) *he is a local legend drag racer* we got out there, and he asked "can you take me for a drive?" now worries we went for a run... he was flat out impressed, said it accelerates harder than his drag car and best thing is its quiet and drives like stock. < Valued opinions from old boys like this who I admire mean more to me than most opinions as Its objective and holds value (coming from a person of note, an achiever not an internet dreamer!@), especially coming from a piston turbo man too :Chevy_anim: As I said to him, "the thing that is important to me is to drive wherever I want and go for a run like we did no excuses", no qualifications or preparation, no trailers, no tow trucks!!, no BDC style blow ups. :117:

A road going rotary should be just that, a thing you can get in and drive it to your hearts content and enjoy all of the power you have any time any place, I love my car :302:

NoDOHC 01-04-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE_RACING
A road going rotary should be just that, a thing you can get in and drive it to your hearts content and enjoy all of the power you have any time any place, I love my car

I agree whole-heartedly.

FC3S Murray 01-05-2011 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 135829)
No, your shit blew up becuase you used BDC ported plates, and an aux system that is basically BDC's concocktion. That engine of yours was awesome, fucking mint! idled perfectly, pulled awesome and ran like a raped ape..... then she consumed that meth bullshit, she puked, laughed, cracked a plate and your balls fell off, rolled under the car and that AL hunk of crap ended up in the bay

At least it's one of the cleanest swaps that I've seen yet..... so I don't have to kill you.... just tie you down and let kyle rape you.

:toetap05: ...the wound is still deep isn't it? lol

THANK you for the clean swap comment. It should be great, matter a fact I should have a pic of it up very soon with the engine bay damn near complete.
I think Joels white FC in MAXPAYNES thread(recent posted pictures) has the cleanest engine bay set-up yet...outside of the car isnt my taste though.

Quote:

engine of yours was awesome, fucking mint! idled perfectly, pulled awesome and ran like a raped ape.....
Very true:reddevil: and come on you all agreed that BDC's ports were tits:chillpill:

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and your balls fell off
.....that happened when I got married bro:troll:

Quote:

...AL hunk of crap ended up in the bay
:bowdown:......................ps: love you Brian:fawk:

EJayCe996 01-06-2011 02:38 PM

Congrats on being a feature video on RHDJapan

RICE RACING 01-06-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EJayCe996 (Post 136797)
Congrats on being a feature video on RHDJapan

:117:

Could you link me to the page where they have video's or links to them? :dunno:

EJayCe996 01-06-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 136802)
:117:

Could you link me to the page where they have video's or links to them? :dunno:

I dunno if you have a facebook or not but its on their facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/RHDJapan/26539564257

BDC is a fan of RHDJ so I'm pretty sure that completely put him on a burner :rofl:

Barry Bordes 01-25-2011 08:16 AM

Peter, hope you fared OK with the floods in OZ!

ChaserAero 01-25-2011 09:53 AM

Coming in way late but the photo quality is amazing in this build.

RICE RACING 01-25-2011 05:19 PM

Hey boys :biggthumpup:

No problems here, live in the only decent part of Australia :ugh2: so no flooding.

Car is going great! Have a dyno competition and car show in a couple of weeks, I'll try to take some more nice pictures and add them here (oh also if you like my ride please vote for me in the car of the month > http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...ad.php?t=13228 if a rusty RX2 beats me I'll :18: :uhh:

Barry, I ave been doing allot of advanced work with the WI system, the results are very impressive indeed.

rdgt99 01-26-2011 01:16 AM

Very impressive build. Thanks for sharing and keeping us updated.

RICE RACING 01-26-2011 05:38 AM

My New dash board :fawk:

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/4...oostbrosen.jpg

Nah seriously lol, it's just a random picture I got of a Lotus 98T (proper F1 car) 1986 unlimited boost era, you can see the EGT label printed up on dash under the digital display showing max of 1120 deg C and air inlet temp of 60 deg C and water temp 90 deg C....

Boost gauge goes to 5.0bar absolute (you can translate that to your backwards English units you like lol)

TitaniumTT 01-26-2011 08:24 AM

72.5 psi

Note to forum......
None of these wierd ass metric units of measurement. :rofl:

RICE RACING 01-26-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 138490)
72.5 psi

Note to forum......
None of these wierd ass metric units of measurement. :rofl:

58psi "gauge pressure" as all you English loving unit types can relate too ;)

Notice gauge starts at 2bar absolute (1 bar gauge or 14.5psi) :bowdown:

During qualifying they took off the waste gates and replaced them with covers, Water Injected! and Water Spray on intercoolers :)

58psi+ boost and more watch it here > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dWLh...eature=related what 1300+bhp worth of water injection and maximum qualify boost looks like!

calicrewchief 01-26-2011 11:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dWLh...eature=related

Jesus, @ 30sec I thought I hit the fast forward. Insane acceleration.

RICE RACING 02-05-2011 11:43 PM

More development and fine tuning. Same boost getting ready for next step, proved reliability at this 1.53kg/cm setting or 140kpa gauge boost.

90-140kmh test standard.

2.51 seconds!

Would achieve 2.4x second range as last 130kmh to 140kmh zone was a little too much in the fuel setting for this qty of water injection. This is quick for a true rotary road car set up.

After the coming show (dyno day next week! *my students con'd me into taking my car* :smilielol5:) will do long term testing on the 1.72kg/cm or 170kpa boost level and post up the comparison results free time pending :)

RICE RACING 02-12-2011 04:52 AM

Show update:

The dyno was drowned by water (ironic) hahaha, there was flash flooding in Melbourne and Mikes dyno was under a foot of water!.... insurance job and thus non attendance to show.

Anyway went there and displayed the car, got a large & constant crowd of people who have seen it on the roads and some who were passed at warp speed! and were fascinated to see it was water injected. Was fielding inquiries and answering question non stop for about 3 hours! The 500+bhp has spoken for itself in the last year, leaving quite an impression :) judging by how many people were coming to see what was under the bonnet.

Drove down to the ocean for some lunch and left a couple of Porsche 997GT2 owners totally humiliated in the wake of the mighty turbo rotary after a little challenge *they started it, I FINISHED IT!* on the highway :) The overall power is just amazing from 4000rpm to 8500rpm in any gear!. I'm yet to be beaten by anything out on the highway, most just hide after a little "test", not saying its the worlds quickest thing, but fuck me it hauls!, and no excuses either, just jump in drive it & power when and where its needed, no excuses, no poofter mad max ethanol drums required, unlike some!!!! ;)

RICE RACING 02-12-2011 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry Bordes (Post 138403)
Peter, hope you fared OK with the floods in OZ!

R.I.P One dyno machine :88:

rdgt99 02-12-2011 08:54 AM

Very impressive stuff!! Also, congrats on ROTM.

RICE RACING 02-12-2011 05:35 PM

Thanks :)

The next stage of development has commenced :reddevil: and after I complete the required time & distance of durability testing I'll post up some more hard core proof of the mighty RICESP performance statistics :reddevil:

Will do another 100km/h to 200km/h test run and a few other measures that should get peoples juices flowing :302:

The performance is amazing but I am more impressed with the long term durability of the package at sustained high power........... Water Injection is an amazing thing, even after so many years of being at the fore front of developing it I am still impressed by its ability to make reliable horsepower, unmatched horsepower!, while giving more durability than some making much much less!!!.

RICE RACING 02-20-2011 04:09 AM

Compression measure on testing bed 13B-REW at high power.
 
Here is an update of the durability (measured by compression) of a stock 13B-REW (from brand new) when run at sustained high power. Taken form my postings on Aquamist Water Injection site.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 12004)
Thanks Richard :smile:

I really have my heart set on it sitting on a steady 1.2 bar or 17.5psi inlet manifold pressure and when the weather cools down here maybe try 1.4bar ~20psi, I will update the VBOX3i testing figures once I get my hands on the methanol and mix up a batch. All levels I have run before in my old cars and in customers ones........

Tested the compression of the engine after 1800km and its good for a rotary at around ~122psi @ 250rpm (front and rear rotor same) cranking speed. Will keep an eye over this long term.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/998...mp1800kmfr.jpg

I changed the porting specification to give the engine much more mid range power and not concentrate on top end power so much, it is quite fast on road despite relative low levels of peak power. I am projecting it will have a honest 480bhp to 500bhp (at the higher 1.4 boost setting) but will see what happens when I get around to testing this.

So a full year on and covered another 6000km (to date: all up 8200km) of testing/racing/top speed trials.
Summary: Every drive has been quite high load 90-140 testing probably around 400 or so of these tests, many 100-200kmh & 60-130mph runs (3rd to top of 4th gear) and a few top speed runs (on special test track :)). Last 3000km at ~500bhp level @ 1.53kg/cm Boost level.

I did one intermediate compression test between the 1800km and this one today, but only wrote those figures down rather than taking a photo/proof. They were close to the ones today.

Rear Rotor
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/...1&d=1298191592

Front Rotor
http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/...1&d=1298191697

This test was fully dry (engine run till out of fuel) and EGI disconnected, First one cant remember but I think was not as "empty" of excess fluid, this makes a high difference to rotary engine compression readings FYI.

Anyway she is not too bad, I did not think it would hold up this good especially given its a mobile test bed each and every single time it gets driven.

I have it at its new boost level of 1.7bar (around 1.75kg/cm) and it is a rocket :) see if she can make another year of punishment :)

RICE RACING 03-05-2011 01:02 AM

Here is pics of the RR COP CD system mounted up (CD boxes next to battery on custom holder), wiring harness and COP's installed.

Few Grasshoppers & bugs from extensive real world testing on the front bumper! they stand no chance at "moderate" speeds :)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9...2cdisystem.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5373/...7cdisystem.jpg

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8...0cdisystem.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7...1cdisystem.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/3...4cdisystem.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/4...7cdisystem.jpg

Covered 1600km in last 2 weeks :D big boost bro! CD makes a massive difference over the HKS DLI and stock coils/leads combo.

RICE RACING 03-05-2011 07:46 PM

Well its official CD ignition totally rapes inductive.

I set a new record for the 90-140kmh test of 2.48 seconds, going on a small incline as well :) this test was non ideal in the fact that the car is still learning the new boost setting so it was lacking some mid range boost which is critical for this test.

Of much more importance though is the fact that on the CD ignition I can run the engine properly the way I want and not the way the ign system wants or allows me to do. This is very important for control of charge temperature and EGT also.

I can't divulge the exact figures (as too many copy cats!) I'll let them try to make a living off my old discarded info :o13: while I will continue to test and show first hand long term how fucking good water injection is for rotaries and REAL STREET CARS! (still on petrol, and full quiet catalyst exhaust system!)

RICE RACING 03-06-2011 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 14020)
I'll post up some other incremental times of the F40, I have 3 separate tests (one factory) two independent (USA and UERO models) and on peak power band test 60mph to 90mph and 70mph to 90mph I have ........

(Peak power band for all cars)

60mph-90mph
EURO F40 = 2.70 seconds
USA F40 = 2.90 seconds
RICESP = 2.59 seconds


70mph-90mph
EURO F40 = 1.90 seconds
USA F40 = 2.10 seconds
RICESP = 1.76 seconds

New Figures for the last test compared to the Ferrari F40.

60mph-90mph
RICESP = 2.42 seconds

70mph-90mph
RICESP = 1.64 seconds


I still have some fine tuning to do and a couple more little tricks up my sleeve :) then will organize another test to do a new 100kmh to 200kmh figure :)

RICE RACING 03-18-2011 05:46 PM

To give this comparison test some context:
RICESP (stock std 13B-REW engine, full catalyst exhaust, T04 type turbo, plumb back waste gate, small standard inter cooler 1310kg)
*fully compliant genuine road car*

ND4SPD (Cosmo 13B, full bridge port, T51 type turbo charger, large front mounted inter cooler, gutted exhaust, open waste gate pipe 1250kg)
*quasi race car!*


I did some very interesting comparisons to ND4SPD (Mazda Capella I tuned with RRWEP110 WI) V's RICESP via the immense analysis power of the VBOX :)

I'll list up some comparison results: About the total FALLACY of " typical dyno sheets"! v's real world power and times taken for vehicles to actually do "work" with known levels of weight/mass!!!

This car makes on a dynohomodynamics ~390rwkw on 19psi boost (full bridge port & T51 turbo 1250kg as run at race track) where we got these recordings. You will see RICESP at 1310kg run weight is just as powerful (real rwkw! power as measured by me via VBOX!) and its just as fast in peak power band too (what really matters at the end of the day rather than poofter dyno sheet comparisons)

This report is of ND4SPD in its peak power band (6000rpm to 8200rpm) = 110kph to 150kph in 3rd gear on 19psi boost (VBOX measure = ~310rwkw owner has sheets of 380 to 390rwkw on homo dynamics guess machine)
ND4SPD = 110kmh to 150kmh = 2.07 seconds
http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...1&d=1300414313

This report shows RICESP and the first one is a FC RX7 fitted with a bridge port 13B running 15psi boost and a GT35 turbo lol (you can see I am twice as fast as it lol 4.43 seconds V's 2.06 seconds!) This car apparently makes 270rwkw dynohomodynaimcs @ 16psi boost LOL! You can see these dyno figures are not worth pissing on in the REAL WORLD! and are vastly overstated from what the cars actually makes when you apply real physics to them!!!
http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...1&d=1300414015

And the other result table is at full boost when I tuned it (ND4SPD) on road just before setting national dyno record http://www.riceracing.com.au/water-injection.htm < *read customer testimonial* (which to this day still stands!) for the only ever 13B rotary to lay down 3 back to back power runs of this level and still be able to drive home :) on pump petrol :)
Boost, EGT, RPM, AFR sensors fitted in this tuning session.
RICESP = 110kmh to 150kmh = 2.06 seconds
http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...1&d=1300414770

My RX7 is pretty quick I think you will all agree :) and this is still not sharing the current state of high power tune :) *I'll save that for another day*

Mazdabater 03-24-2011 04:24 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FD3S-RX7-92-0...item35b0dc8b6b

FUCKING LOL saw these rice and thought of you, sounds like a bargain!

Mazdabater 03-24-2011 04:29 AM

GET FUCKED WHY DON'T I HAVE 33K ON ME RIGHT NOW

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mazda-RX7-SP-...item27b9a6e292

Actually nevermind, I had a look at the pics then noticed it was a 92.

RICE RACING 03-24-2011 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazdabater (Post 144636)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FD3S-RX7-92-0...item35b0dc8b6b

FUCKING LOL saw these rice and thought of you, sounds like a bargain!

Sounds like a total fucken rip off con job to me! :smash:

LOL @ the power "claims" fucken shonks! I bet they strapped them on a car and could not out accelerate a Barina! LOL ........... Sydney really needs to be bombed to get rid of all of the scum that lives there honestly shady cunts !

RICE RACING 03-24-2011 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazdabater (Post 144637)
GET FUCKED WHY DON'T I HAVE 33K ON ME RIGHT NOW

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mazda-RX7-SP-...item27b9a6e292

Actually nevermind, I had a look at the pics then noticed it was a 92.

Still a nice car for a replica SP :)

You wont get a real one for under 90k now, last one I herd of changing hands that I did a report on for the buyer went for just under this money :biggthumpup:

RICE RACING 03-24-2011 06:10 PM

BACK ON TOPIC!

Here is the 3 rd gear acceleration of the stock RX7 SP, tested by Motor Magazine with Correvit digital timing.

RX7SP stock 1995 test
204kw
276bhp claimed power factory rated engine (100% stock std no mods at all)

100kmh = 0 sec
110kmh = 0.87 sec
120kmh = 1.83 sec
130kmh = 2.84 sec
140kmh = 4.58 sec


RICESP
You guess the power :)

100kmh = 0 sec
110kmh = 0.51 sec
120kmh = 0.99 sec
130kmh = 1.51 sec
140kmh = 2.01 sec


http://www.ausrotary.com/images/refe...or/motor9e.jpg

RICE RACING 03-24-2011 06:16 PM

I just found 2 original issues of Wheels Magazine from 1996 where they do a Top Speed shootout of Australia's Fastest Cars. They are on their way to me :) when I get them will scan the full article and put it up.

Features my two fav cars of all time Mazda RX7SP and the Ferrari F40 :) and a whole heap of other vastly inferior cars :) They also feature acceleration tests too :) and I will post up some more comparisons :)

:spam:

diabolical1 03-26-2011 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144716)
Features my two fav cars of all time Mazda RX7SP and the Ferrari F40 :) and a whole heap of other vastly inferior cars :)

the F40 (in my opinion) is arguably the greatest supercar of all time, and my third favorite Ferrari.

RICE RACING 03-26-2011 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabolical1 (Post 144820)
the F40 (in my opinion) is arguably the greatest supercar of all time, and my third favorite Ferrari.

Agreed, I grew up idolizing that car :icon_tup: my next fav was the Mazda RX7SP (IMHO it has F40 ques all over it!) Rear wing, slats, vents, Carbon in body work, turbocharged, very similar 4 stroke equivalent engine capacity, Kevlar seats, close to same weight, same power potential (when RX7 is developed properly) etc etc etc.......... and similar roots, specials made for racing.

My main goal in doing my own version of the SP concept was to equal the Ferrari F40 (< the best car ever made).

I'll put up the full test information on the Ferrari F40, the RX7SP, and RICESP :icon_tup: and scan the article for you :001_005:

p.s. Never ever thought I would own a SP with only 25 genuine versions made (this is why I never bought a copy of the magazines when they were out, did not want to depress myself !), they are rare compared to over 1300+ F40's made lol :)

diabolical1 03-26-2011 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 142562)
Of much more importance though is the fact that on the CD ignition I can run the engine properly the way I want and not the way the ign system wants or allows me to do. This is very important for control of charge temperature and EGT also.

if you don't mind, can you expand on this a bit, Rice?

RICE RACING 03-26-2011 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabolical1 (Post 144822)
if you don't mind, can you expand on this a bit, Rice?

It's a hard concept to relay over the internet, but I will try.

The inductive based ignition (even with HKS booster) is very limited in ability to fire and initiate spark, so much so that you end up compromising things like water rate you can use, plug gaps, heat range, ignition timing, and other parameters.... there are as a result losses of performance and non audible misfires which otherwise show up as a power loss when you test in the real world with the best equipment like the Race Logic VBOX3i (as I exclusively use).

The CD based ignition and in particular when equipped to its maximum with coil on plug system (even less losses of ign energy) just free you up to not work under the same constraints as a limited ignition systems imparts on you.

The performance I have out of RICESP now is just astounding! its a BIG JUMP over what I have listed here :reddevil: it's not something I am willing to share openly on forums however as always I do give about 1 million times more information for free and more openly than anyone else ever has or ever will. None of this is rocket science I need to reiterate its just repeating basic tuning knowledge as used by BMW to win the F1 world title using turbo's and also Porsche who used CD ignition on the 917/30 (nothing car that never did anything lol). For my own car I was VERY HAPPY with the way it was, but I am glad I went back to the full CD and COP set up, as I said it just another world in terms of performance levels that can be easily exploited through water injection and normal old pump petrol/gasoline :reddevil:

Mazdabater 03-26-2011 07:43 PM

You been on ausrotary lately rice, another white SP has appeared. Some guys like it's been sitting in my dads garage for 5 years or so and he'll probably let me have it for 10k as he doesn't drive it much =/ luckiest dude around


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