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Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vex (Post 144946)
To be fair however, even academia refers to the above as compound turbocharging of a system (at least in Marine Engineering--but then again, I take what that professor says with a heavy dose of salt for just about everything that comes out of his mouth).

It has been called staging for over 100 years now, lol. Maybe your marine professor just liked using redneck terms? I had one who would use redneck terms as a joke.

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Originally Posted by vex (Post 144946)
Scroll all the way to the bottom of the main forum.

Live Chat and Video? After that I am just seeing forum stats and random album pictures.

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144947)
I have a book called auto math. talks about tractor pulling.. tractor was making over 245lbs of boost. 3 turbo's. 1 turbo feeding boost into the second turbo and the second turbo feeding into the 3rd turbo.. 3rd turbo feeding the 245lbs of boost to the diesel engine. they also show a picture of the engine granading into pieces.... insane to say the least..

Yes, it's insane, especially considering that Buchi was running 71psig back in 1909.

TitaniumTT 03-27-2011 02:58 PM

You need 20 posts to see the lounge. If you'd like, I can alter your post count to see it.

I'm glad Ito and everyone else is on the same page about this. We have edited the title, and change a bunch of the posts to keep it civilized and PG-13. It's the whole censorship thing. I don't like censoring people's opinions, but if it gets out of hand with the language and the insults, then we will.'

As I said, I would REALLY like to see some heavily technical posts debunking those on the other site especially because when it comes to this subject, there are plenty of people much smarter and experienced than I am.

rx71king 03-27-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144940)
yes.. that is all im asking for. keep it technical and clean. this way, we could all learn and not turn this great site up side down. i have tons of valuable information. but i refuse to post it. y? cause i want to see how this site will take it's course. i'm sure many other members feel the same way. by no means i'm not saying peter is a donkey. we just don't need the bullshit from his mouth.

between all of us we can make this site a greater place to visit....i need to learn new info so i can go to the next level...:rofl:..let's keep it clean.

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rx71king (Post 144959)
between all of us we can make this site a greater place to visit....i need to learn new info so i can go to the next level...:rofl:..let's keep it clean.

like asking me the timing specs on my nephews turbo II?:beatdeadhorse5:

Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 144956)
You need 20 posts to see the lounge. If you'd like, I can alter your post count to see it.

Dang, you guys changed the forum settings since I first joined this board, lol. Sorry, but I didn't see any such guidance in the FAQ or other area of this forum. I will just post a few more times to get my 20. ;)

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 144956)
As I said, I would REALLY like to see some heavily technical posts debunking those on the other site especially because when it comes to this subject, there are plenty of people much smarter and experienced than I am.

That would require taking on the entire sub-forum, and quite frankly it's not worth spending countless hours on it just to be called a "hater" and probably getting banned in the process. Besides, sooner or later those guys will get a clue, and I look forward to that point in time in which BDC can proudly say that he has successfully reinvented the wheel. I actually like BDC, but I can't help but be amused by his method of education.

rx71king 03-27-2011 03:15 PM

:icon_no2:.....this will not end well........please stop

Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rx71king (Post 144967)
:icon_no2:.....this will not end well........please stop

Gonna be hard for me to get 20 posts if the threads all get deleted as I type, lol.

RICE RACING 03-27-2011 03:18 PM

EVERYONE Lead by example, go contribute to the "Turbo Tuning" thread I started. :001_005:

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144961)
^ You are the master of bullshit ito, I have already seen the sort of rubbish you type, this is another example of YOU! turning things to shit, and no one else. Fell free to get fucked of this forum any time as you are not welcome with your attitude :seeya:

I'll be sure to look you up when I am there soon and see how much of hero you are in person big man !

Peter, peter eater.. Peter let me tell you something. If you only knew who your talking with. but thats not here nor there. You have been kicked out of every forum. and to be honest, there is no need for it. you do have valuable information and you do contribute. but you go about it in the wrong way. I refuse to attack you personally, cause i could care less about who you are personally. this is simple, just keep it clean. no need for your childish crap. and if you want to visit me. simple Advanced Rotary Performance. 181 Grand St Paterson NJ.. 973-653-4084 pussy. it goes to show how limited your brain size is. this is about trying to maintain a site from falling apart like every other site.. peter seriously. your a good guy, just grow up a little. your in your 40's already.. cheerss.

RICE RACING 03-27-2011 03:21 PM

http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...ad.php?t=13626

Here is another good thread not full of bullshit like this one has turned into after a certain person started posting in it :smash:

rx71king 03-27-2011 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144968)
Gonna be hard for me to get 20 posts if the threads all get deleted as I type, lol.

i was talking about rice and ito....

RICE RACING 03-27-2011 03:24 PM

hypocrit porting molester more like it!
 
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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144970)
Peter, peter dick eater.. Peter let me tell you something. If you only knew who the fuck your talking with. but thats not here nor there. You have been kicked out of every forum. and to be honest, there is no need for it. you do have valuable information and you do contribute. but you go about it in the wrong way. I refuse to attack you personally, cause i could care less about who the fuck you are personally. this is simple, just keep it clean. no need for your childish shit. and if you want to visit me. simple Advanced Rotary Performance. 181 Grand St Paterson NJ.. 973-653-4084 pussy. it goes to show how limited your brain size is. this is about trying to maintain a site from falling apart like every other site.. peter seriously. your a good guy, just grow up a little. your in your 40's already.. cheerss.

LOL, you have issues :icon_tdown: you say, think one thing,and type three different things all in the same paragraph!, stop hiding behind your key board :o13:

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144973)
LOL, you have issues :icon_tdown: you say, think one thing,a nd type three different things, stop hiding behind your key board :o13:

no issues, just letting you know your way out of line on the personal side, but letting you know your a contributing member that i consider valuable if you stop all your childish crap. If you carry yourself in a proper manner, believe you me, we will all come out of it better.

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rx71king (Post 144972)
i was talking about rice and ito....

peter is a good guy. only reason i run my autronic 500R is because he highly recommended it to me many years ago. we ok here.

RICE RACING 03-27-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144974)
no issues, just letting you know your way out of line on the personal side, but letting you know your a contributing member that i consider valuable if you stop all your childish crap. If you carry yourself in a proper manner, believe you me, we will all come out of it better.

YOU apply the same advice to yourself, ignore the parts you DONT like on this thread and talk about the things YOU can contribute to make it better, rather than abusing people then telling them to grow up :nopity:

I look forward to your positive contributions in this forum and its various good threads we have all started :bigear:

Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rx71king (Post 144972)
i was talking about rice and ito....

I know, but if this entire thread gets deleted then I'm gonna lose the posts.

Boy, I sure am glad that this forum is more civilized than the "evil" forum, lol.

RICE RACING 03-27-2011 03:32 PM

Like talking about the 6lt per minute of water injection used in the triple stage turbo book you have in front of you :) and debunking the moronic tuning advice I was eluding too in the first place :icon_tup:

I am going to work now :)

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144976)
YOU apply the same advice to yourself, ignore the parts you DONT like on this thread and talk about the things YOU can contribute to make it better, rather than abusing people then telling them to grow up :nopity:

I look forward to your positive contributions in this forum and its various good threads we have all started :bigear:

won't ignore it. I think we all come in here to de-stress.. and to try and share. but once you fly off the handle it's a no go.. remember ultimately is not about you me or anyone else. it's about Felix Wankel..

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144979)
Like talking about the 6lt per minute of water injection used in the triple stage turbo book you have in front of you :) and debunking the moronic tuning advice I was eluding too in the first place :icon_tup:

I am going to work now :)

buy it..

vex 03-27-2011 03:44 PM

Wow... I think this thread is going to need to be trimmed... or moved... This isn't the place for such bickering. That's what the Lounge is for.

TitaniumTT 03-27-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144977)
I know, but if this entire thread gets deleted then I'm gonna lose the posts.

Boy, I sure am glad that this forum is more civilized than the "evil" forum, lol.

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144968)
Gonna be hard for me to get 20 posts if the threads all get deleted as I type, lol.

I try not to delete threads as there is almost always something valuable in it. I just trim out the BS and namecalling.

Hypocrites though..........

Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 144969)
EVERYONE Lead by example, go contribute to the "Turbo Tuning" thread I started. :001_005:

Check. I gave you noobs a link on Pete Law so you can learn something from the master. Hehehe.

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144981)
buy it..

I have it, and it's pretty darn basic.

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Originally Posted by vex (Post 144982)
Wow... I think this thread is going to need to be trimmed... or moved... This isn't the place for such bickering. That's what the Lounge is for.

:(

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144989)
Check. I gave you noobs a link on Pete Law so you can learn something from the master. Hehehe.


I have it, and it's pretty darn basic.


:(

yes it is. i bought it many years ago. before i ever tuned a rotary on turbo. and when they talked about the turbo charged tractor pulling I see now how ahead of the times they were.

Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144991)
yes it is. i bought it many years ago. before i ever tuned a rotary on turbo. and when they talked about the turbo charged tractor pulling I see now how ahead of the times they were.

I happen to be rearranging my attic right now (posting on the internet to avoid working, lol), and I just flipped through that book and I don't see the tractor pull section. Is it hidden in one of the other sections, or were you thinking about the old Hugh MacInnes book, "Turbochargers"?

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144993)
I happen to be rearranging my attic right now (posting on the internet to avoid working, lol), and I just flipped through that book and I don't see the tractor pull section. Is it hidden in one of the other sections, or were you thinking about the old Hugh MacInnes book, "Turbochargers"?

your correct. it's been a while, but it is the "turbochargers" book. I thought I was going crazy for a minute..

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 04:43 PM

this was many years ago..

Judge Ito 03-27-2011 04:47 PM

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Evil Aviator 03-27-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144995)
this was many years ago..

Yes, it was written in the mid-80s. It just shows you how the guys nowadays are just reinventing the wheel. I just wish they wouldn't reinvent the terminology. :(

rx71king 03-27-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 144963)
like asking me the timing specs on my nephews turbo II?:beatdeadhorse5:

i won't ask you any more questions...

speedjunkie 03-27-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazdabater (Post 144897)
Fuck me, you shouldn't be owning a 7 if your too poor to buy engine mounts.

Who said anything about being poor? While I'm certainly not the most wealthy person on this forum I'm sure, I just dropped several thousand dollars on an engine rebuild and other projects I'm taking care of at the same time, so I assure you I have no problem dropping a couple hundred or so on engine mounts if they are needed. And I'm usually very picky about my car, but not in this case since I don't see much difference between hockey pucks and delrin or polyurethane bushings most places are selling for over $100 or $200. The real reason I was going to try hockey pucks is because I need shorter mounts and I figured two hockey pucks on each side would be shorter than the Noltecs I was using...I was incorrect, it's almost the same height exactly, so I've given up on that plan. And to expand on the first reason is...

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Originally Posted by PercentSevenC (Post 144903)
Haters gonna hate. :D

Actually, I've used both and I like hockey pucks better than the Mazda competition mounts. The hockey pucks are a bit stiffer and are theoretically less likely to break (though I've never actually heard of a Mazda competition mount breaking). The Banzai mounts look great, but I just haven't felt the need to spend the money when hockey pucks are working so well in both my FB and my REPU.

...^this...

Judge Ito 03-28-2011 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rx71king (Post 145012)
i won't ask you any more questions...

it's no big deal.. here to share..i will try running leading on a wasted spark mode with the msd 6al later on to make a comparison..

Barry Bordes 03-28-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator (Post 144997)
Yes, it was written in the mid-80s. It just shows you how the guys nowadays are just reinventing the wheel. I just wish they wouldn't reinvent the terminology. :(

This is what the book looked like in 1976 when I did my first turbo Alfa.

With knowledge the ego builds.
Wouldn't it be great if we could learn wisdom also... thereby keeping our ego in check.

Barry

RotaryXperiment 03-28-2011 11:12 AM

have u seen anyone else try a wasted spark system on leading as well ITO? i know someone tried it but no real hard data on if it helps or not. the rx7 still drives the same but not sure if it would help under boost and/or with high pressure in chambers.

RETed 03-29-2011 06:57 AM

This is just a reminder that this is still a TECH section.

You're welcome to talk about commies / liberals / cookies in The Lounge to your hearts content.

The recent replies that have nothing to do with tech have been deleted.


-Ted

dr.occa 03-29-2011 04:27 PM

I must have wondered into the wrong room. I heard something about hockey pucks...I like the two I picked up for a buck fiddy each.

I'm not so sure I'd jump in the same boat regarding the comment about air and water having the same exact flow characteristics especially when water's own natural surface tension is a quantitative variable to factor in. Shouldn't surface tension be factored in since it's most likely a contributing factor to water pump cavitation issues? Speaking from a post (even pre) combustion side, even the weight of spent gas is an important variable to consider when flow testing.

Anyway, I guess that might be considered splitting hairs on my part. Am I wrong in this?

vex 03-29-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dr.occa (Post 145228)
I must have wondered into the wrong room. I heard something about hockey pucks...I like the two I picked up for a buck fiddy each.

I'm not so sure I'd jump in the same boat regarding the comment about air and water having the same exact flow characteristics especially when water's own natural surface tension is a quantitative variable to factor in. Shouldn't surface tension be factored in since it's most likely a contributing factor to water pump cavitation issues? Speaking from a post (even pre) combustion side, even the weight of spent gas is an important variable to consider when flow testing.

Again, surface tension is not what he stated. Surface tension is nothing more than two different mediums interacting with each other. You get the same effect when different densities are present; for instance salt and fresh water or nitrogen and helium. Note that the surface tension between the two mediums becomes negligible as their densities approach unity. This is simple incompressible flow.

Water obeys the same fundamental laws as air does (energy, mass, and momentum). Hence why both mediums have circulation, currents, laminar and turbulent flows, etc, etc, etc. They both flow exactly the same. As I stated earlier you can prove this by solving for the Reynolds Number (which is a dimensionless number that accounts for the various medium's density) and applying it to both water and air. The results will be exactly the same. In fact, this is how engineers do various testing.
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Anyway, I guess that might be considered splitting hairs on my part. Am I wrong in this?
It depends where you're looking at it from. From a flow stand point; both air and water flow exactly the same. From a atomization mixture stand point you are correct in that water and air will not necessarily travel the same path from an Eulerian perspective; however that does not negate the fact that they still flow exactly the same. They still are adhering to the fundamental laws which dictate flow path and direction.
:beatdeadhorse5:

dr.occa 03-29-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vex (Post 145232)
The results will be exactly the same. In fact, this is how engineers do various testing...

So will liquid also emulate the same exact areas of turbulence as air in flow testing?

I'm asking not because I'm doubtful of the previously mentioned method of water injection. I'm primarily putting forth these questions for more clarification when considering the accuracy of flow testing results. I don't want to settle because it's what's been accepted for ions. It would be better to scrutinize and challenge the findings and let them stand on their own merits rather than what's spouted/parroted off by a lineage of engineers in an informal daisy chain if you know what I mean. The world is much too dynamic to take it for granted that it's ALWAYS going to do what's expected every time.

Mazdabater 03-30-2011 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vex (Post 145232)
Again, surface tension is not what he stated. Surface tension is nothing more than two different mediums interacting with each other. You get the same effect when different densities are present; for instance salt and fresh water or nitrogen and helium. Note that the surface tension between the two mediums becomes negligible as their densities approach unity. This is simple incompressible flow.

Water obeys the same fundamental laws as air does (energy, mass, and momentum). Hence why both mediums have circulation, currents, laminar and turbulent flows, etc, etc, etc. They both flow exactly the same. As I stated earlier you can prove this by solving for the Reynolds Number (which is a dimensionless number that accounts for the various medium's density) and applying it to both water and air. The results will be exactly the same. In fact, this is how engineers do various testing.

It depends where you're looking at it from. From a flow stand point; both air and water flow exactly the same. From a atomization mixture stand point you are correct in that water and air will not necessarily travel the same path from an Eulerian perspective; however that does not negate the fact that they still flow exactly the same. They still are adhering to the fundamental laws which dictate flow path and direction.
:beatdeadhorse5:


You must have missed reading those parts.

dr.occa 03-30-2011 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazdabater (Post 145296)
You must have missed reading those parts.

Not at all. It's called dotting your "I's" and crossing your "T's".

"Knowledge" can be bad for the ego apparently: by puffing it up and giving those who have gained any information from others a false sense of self-importance.

"Stupid" questions should be asked along with the "Not-So-Stupid" questions. That way you can better distinguish between them. Especially so in a public forum so that others can witness the difference and avoid repeating them.

Off to find wisdom somewhere else. I'm sure there are more people out in the internets that are wrong that ya'll need to take care of or something...

Herblenny 03-30-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dr.occa (Post 145285)
The world is much too dynamic to take it for granted that it's ALWAYS going to do what's expected every time.

I agree with you. I'm in Molecular Bio/Genetics and things that worked 10 years ago now doesn't work. Physics, chemistry, etc... in theory a lot stands in place, but some just doesn't work in the real world.


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