Fast fd !

[RICE RACING]

Acceleration tests of FD rotary RX7's (VBOX data only accepted) verified by RICE RACING.
Only will accept flat road runs, any downward slopes greater then ~1.5 degree's over the length of the test will be rejected
Ranked FASTEST to SLOWEST
A little background information on acceleration times in gear/s: To do half the time of a stock weight FD you need basically double the power (simple), if you can do it in 1/3rd of the time you need 3 times the power (simple again) and so on it goes..... In your VBOX log the distance taken to achieve the speed is also exactly half if you had half the time taken, thus double the power (see proven example at end of post) eg: double the power also equals double the acceleration (Longitudinal G force average) *IT ALL ADDS UP IN REALITY! real world testing!!!*. These test really do separate the bullshit (dyno sheets) from the reality of practical acceleration tests.SEE EXAMPLE TEST @ BOTTOM OF THIS POST

OFFICIAL LIST
100kmh to 200kmh (Any gear or gears you like!)
User name - Time (seconds) - basic spec
smg944 - 5.12 sec - C16 water injected 27psi 525rwhp http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/showthread.php?t=14704
RICE RACING - 5.70 sec - 93 oct water injected 31psi run stock standard 13B-REW http://www.riceracing.com.au/RiceSPGallery.htm
Ferrari ENZO - 5.80 sec - Blueprinted rebuilt motor (est 687bhp, 1505kg run weight) > http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=141406422&posted=1#post141406422
"A new engine is $250K USD and a re-built one from the factory is about $150K. We did ours for under $100K."
Ferrari ENZO - 6.20 sec - Factory motor > http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=141406422&posted=1#post141406422
RICE RACING - 6.25 sec - 93 oct water injected 24psi run stock standard 13B-REW http://www.aquamist.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1590&page=3
smg944 - 6.39 sec - 93 oct water injected 23psi 473rwhp
Ferrari F40 - 6.74sec sec - The super car reference, 1421kg run weight ~500bhp catless http://www.carobu.com/F40%20LM%20510hp%20dyno.html
Docmar - 6.90 sec - 93 oct 22psi 2 people in car http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/showthread.php?t=14704&page=3
smg944 - 8.27 sec - 93 oct 16psi gt35r medium street port 407whp
smg944 - 9.08 sec - 93 oct 16psi my streetported motor, stock twins non seq PFC
Jose - 9.52 sec - 93 oct 17psi streetported motor t04e or 57mm turbo
Dan McVicker - 9.99 sec - 93 oct 12psi streetported motor copy T04R or 67mm turbo 235~240rwkw VBOX power 1385kg test weight
Nathan - 10.82 sec - 93 oct 18.5psi RF420 twins
Kila13B - 15.52 sec - 93 oct 15psi 100% stock std RX7 Spirit R Type A





90mh to 140kmh (3rd gear only) power band acceleration test ~4500rpm to ~8000rpm < *rough rpm range* for typical FD's
User name - Time (seconds) - basic spec
smg944 - 1.83sec sec - C16 water injected 27psi 525rwhp *NOTE* unofficial as 3 to 2.5 degree down slope over run
RICE RACING - 1.91sec - 93 oct water injected 31psi run stock standard 13B-REW http://imageshack.us/f/806/191secvbox30psisicbro.jpg
smg944 - 2.18 sec - C16 water injected 27psi 525rwhp
RICE RACING - 2.26 sec - 93 oct water injected 24psi run stock standard 13B-REW
smg944 - 2.59 sec - 93 oct water injected 23psi 473rwhp
Nathan - 3.25 sec - 93 oct 18.5psi RF420 twins http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm
smg944 - 3.26 sec - 93 oct 16psi gt35r medium street port 407whp
Jose - 3.48 sec - 93 oct 17psi streetported motor t04e or 57mm turbo
Dan McVicker - 3.81 sec - 93 oct 12psi streetported motor copy T04R or 67mm turbo 235~240rwkw VBOX power 1385kg test weight
Russ - 4.21 sec - 93 oct 10psi stock port motor BNR TWINS
Kila13B - 5.70 sec - 93 oct 15psi 100% stock std RX7 Spirit R Type A http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm
Docmar -


OFFICIAL LIST of some real fast tuned & factory super cars & a few shit box porsches mixed in as well
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9423/performancetable.gif

EXAMPLE TEST OF PROOF OF POWER RELATIONSHIP TO TIMES TAKEN TO ACCELERATE
This is another interesting comparison: From my collection of VBOX tests http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm
90kmh to 135kmh (best power gearing for the stock RX7) see rpm logging.

RICESP V Spirit R Type A (stock standard)

Car specs:
Spirit R Type A
1335kg as run
280PS factory rated engine (100% stock std no mods at all)
Car ran 0-100kmh in 5.55 seconds & 13.85 second @ 104.78mph RR V-BOX Recorded for 1/4 mile *no roll out*
Time = 5.06 seconds & 158 meters

RICESP:
~21psi Rice Racing Engineered Water Injected Monster :)
1310kg as run
Power is over double a factory RX7 (see actual VBOX RR rwkw measure) so roughly double the power, double the acceleration & half the time required to do it and distance as well :)
Time = 2.21 seconds & 69 meters

VBOX File report
http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7387/ricespvspirtrrtypeastoc.jpg

Another power analysis graph of RICESP using VBOX3i instrument
This is another interesting comparison: From my collection of VBOX tests http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm
Here is the 3 rd gear acceleration of the stock RX7 SP, tested by Motor Magazine with Correvit digital timing.

RX7SP stock 1995 test
204kw
276bhp claimed power factory rated engine (100% stock std no mods at all)

100kmh = 0 sec
110kmh = 0.87 sec
120kmh = 1.83 sec
130kmh = 2.84 sec
140kmh = 4.58 sec

RICESP
You guess the power :)

100kmh = 0 sec
110kmh = 0.51 sec
120kmh = 0.99 sec
130kmh = 1.51 sec
140kmh = 2.01 sec

http://www.ausrotary.com/images/reference/rx7sp/motor/motor9e.jpg

VBOX proof of my figures at mid range boost on our list, HIGH BOOST VBOX runs to come stay tuned :)
O.K. Remember pump petrol/gasoline here only ! ***OFFICIAL VBOX test results***

90kmh-140kmh = 2.26 seconds!
100kmh-150kmh = 2.39 seoconds!
100kmh-200kmh = 6.25 seconds!

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6964/img3966don1.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7215/img3886don1.jpg

Still on old tires, and showing about 24psi boost on the VBOX, and ~330rwkw VBOX POWER

Tested at 1320kg run weight and 25 deg C ambient day, still doing boost learning procedure so there is a bit more in at this level and fuel mixture set rich to be on safe side.

Fact V's Fiction

Will put up some VBOX graphs when I get them off the lap dancer top

Here is the graph of the 2.26 second 90-140 test :) this car has a *massive* power band, not normally seen on genuine 13B road cars of this level of performance and speed!@ the word "response" does not do it justice! It builds one bar of boost at around 3400rpm in a transient test, and near its maximum boost setting well before 4600rpm and it does it even in the low gears which only take a second or two for 8000rpm, its fantastic..... best road car set up ever !@
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1341/226secvbox.jpg

[Libor]

Done. Hope it will convince you to post some data from current boost settings:302:

[RICE RACING]

Done. Hope it will convince you to post some data from current boost settings:302:

Steve E-Mailed me, thanks.

I did some power calcs on his ride! amazing machine. ~400+rwkw! on VBOX even have map proof of where he did his runs :auto:

That is a honest 650bhp 13B RX7 (1280kg as run total weight), sure its on C16 but its a street car FFS, he has done an amazing job of it.

100kmh to 200kmh in 5.16 seconds is gag factor to the max!!!! :coolgleamA:

[RICE RACING]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9423/performancetable.gif

^ Only a Buggatti Veyron is faster than his RX7 road car :hurray:

Here is his official file run. Real road power included! 400+rwkw that is over 536rwhp! amazing stuff.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3679/smg944testsmg144test.jpg

[RICE RACING]

Wow great response........ to what is officially one of the fastest accelerating 13B RX7's in the world, better than everything other than a Buggatti Veyron!!!
:uhh:

Amazing!

I guess some posters here are too busy spaming the homo gay ass raping forum club to bother passing on some congrats to this bloke. Amazing! I wonder where everyone else's cars with FAKE CLAIMS of 500+rwhwp that have never ever seen a dyno let alone done an acceleration run are LOL.

Internet forums = gay! :piggy:

Anyway here is his set up taken off gayclub.com

i have never really posted any of my parts list anywhere i have no problem sharing though.

-built and ported motor by me. port is judge ito based and then extended out to my liking.
-a-spec billet 6765 kit with a 1.00 a/r t4 turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 50/50 meth
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic
-alum radiator

[smg944]

^ lol i guess its just been a quiet weekend...

[rx7sp]

nice finally a nice working set up

[Force13b]

Dam i just came back to check on this. That is 1 hell of a setup makes a nice case for the PT series turbo

[smg944]

biggest advantage i noticed with the precision billet 67 is that the turbine wheel is a regular p-trim size but looks very similar to a garrett gt wheel. which flows better vs its size. most p-trim wheels i have seen fall off at anything over 25psi. this went up to 27psi no problem and making steady power at each psi level between 23 and 27. i would have taken it all the way until the turbo ran out of steam but i needed a bigger wastegate spring as i maxed out the boost controller. i currently have a 16psi spring in there. im going to move up to a 20psi wg spring over the winter and max it out next year. car is moving very well right now so going to have some fun for the rest of the season.

[Libor]

biggest advantage i noticed with the precision billet 67 is that the turbine wheel is a regular p-trim size but looks very similar to a garrett gt wheel. which flows better vs its size. most p-trim wheels i have seen fall off at anything over 25psi. this went up to 27psi no problem and making steady power at each psi level between 23 and 27. i would have taken it all the way until the turbo ran out of steam but i needed a bigger wastegate spring as i maxed out the boost controller. i currently have a 16psi spring in there. im going to move up to a 20psi wg spring over the winter and max it out next year. car is moving very well right now so going to have some fun for the rest of the season.

You could upgrade to this wheel http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2981656

Also you mentioned that your EGTs are increasing disproportionately in top end. Maybe better exhaust setup is what is needed.
Given that 67mm billet is proven to flow north of 90 lbs/min, you should have at least another 100 HP in there.

Its shame that most people don´t realize, that you have one of the most powerful street driven rotaries around. Reading today´s internet forums makes me think, that people forgotten why they are modifying cars at the first place. Why give credits to guy who have genuine 600+ HP 13B when there are dozens of monkeys which claim 700+ and never back it up?:nopity:

[smg944]

everyone is set on dyno numbers is the issue. most cars you see on the forums make 600+whp on my boost level. but does there car move down the road as fast? who knows. so since i posted up what it made which was 525whp on that perticular dyno it seems weak. there is actually a guy on the forum that just currently made 465whp with 370 tq on 15psi with a t04z which is a 67mm turbo. that is basicly impossible when you put the power down he will probably run the quater at 125mph trap. thats what i ran with 400whp. just the way it goes its a tuning tool. proving grounds are on the vbox or the dragstrip.

also as for the billet 67. it does flow crazy amount on the compressor side. issue is the turbine is fairly small for a rotary to make big power. i think its very well setup for a street car as i have full boost by 4k ish.. the gt style wheel precision came up with does help it flow better then a normal p-trim. there is also some gains on the exhaust but ill try the boost first and see what that does for next season.

[RICE RACING]

Bumping best thread on here :party:

140mph road car!!!! :smash:

ok took it over to the track. here are the results.

60 ft 1.91
1/8 7.12
1/8mph 107.48
1/4 10.69
1/4mph 139.88

best run with clutch getting week.

60 ft 1.78
1/8 6.89
1/8mph 108.53
1/4 popped off a coupler would have been a 10.3-10.4 at 140.5-141mph.

then i blew the clutch completely looked like and automatic with a stall lol but still ran good

60 ft. 1.76
1/8 6.92
1/8mph 103.87
1/4 10.55
1/4mph 136.04

vids will be up shortly of in car an out. now im looking for a nice clutch setup for 650whp of so. i currently have a exedy twin disc. clutch is still good but not for a sticky track with hoosiers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFagC5FK37c&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFagC5FK37c&feature=player_embedded

[Topgear]

check this Fd from our uk forum there goal is over 1000bhp at there target boost

http://youtu.be/dWlEvYFMFwI

James Willday 771whp then the dyno shit it - Built and Tuned by Powergains UK nothing to do with me just thought i would show you guys what some of the UK lot are doing more info on www.fduk.org

[RICE RACING]

Guess I could add my RICESP to this list :)

100kmh to 200kmh = 6.25 seconds.

BP Ultimate fuel, water injected. 1320kg run weight ~330rwkw VBOX power
~24psi *second lowest boost setting lol!*

90kmh to 140kmh = 2.26 seconds
100kmh to 150kmh = 2.39 seconds

Don't know of any faster? legitimate street RX7's running on Petrol only? but either way compared to the list of "supercars" I posted its right up there :willy_nilly:

[RICE RACING]

Ha ha!

Funny in an ACTUAL VBOX test of a Buggatti Veyron the **** is NOT as fast as the factory claims LOL....... 15000 mile car apparently, either way. I think I might just be about to add another scalp to the RICESP super car destroyer ledger :fawk:

VW Buggatti nugger 100kmh to 200kmh in 5.9 seconds VBOX verified!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/car/2006-bugatti-veyron-16.4/page_3_-_2006_bugatti_veyron_16.4_page_3

[Fendamonky]

Hmm, wow! I hadn't seen this thread until just now (saw the link in the newb(ish) thread about adding multiple ports to an engine). That's sickly fast for an FD!!!

Now to look into procuring a VBOX so I can see what my car is *actually* doing (when it runs... lol).

[RICE RACING]

Hmm, wow! I hadn't seen this thread until just now (saw the link in the newb(ish) thread about adding multiple ports to an engine). That's sickly fast for an FD!!!

Now to look into procuring a VBOX so I can see what my car is *actually* doing (when it runs... lol).


DO IT!

I wish more people would get real and buy a VBOX.

I am happy to run calculations for anyone who sends me their VBOX files ;) Hopefully we can start a trend of real testing :auto:

[Fendamonky]

Cheers man,

Do you know how much the VBOX III runs? Honestly the only stuff I saw prices on were the driftbox and stuff like that...

First things first... Get my car out of the shop, then I'll look at picking one of these up.

I assume you need the actual weight of your car and all that stuff entered into the VBOX for an accurate reading?

[JhnRX7]

I use a Performance Box by Racelogic (same company that makes VBOX). It is an external device that mounts to the windscreen via suction cups. Me and a buddy split the cost of the unit and use it to log our times when we do track events.

You can use it for the acceleration tests like RICE does, but I have yet to log one myself.

http://www.performancebox.co.uk/

One of my logs:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/5833265738_f562439c62_b.jpg

[Fendamonky]

^ Hmm... that seems very interesting. I bet you could also use that on a motorcycle... Does it have an internal power source, or do you have to connect it to a 12v in the car?


:edit: Also, will you be bringing this with you to DGRR? I'd love to snag it for a pull or two to see some solid data on how my car looks on paper!!

[JhnRX7]

It uses the cigarette lighter for power

[RICE RACING]

Cheers man,

Do you know how much the VBOX III runs? Honestly the only stuff I saw prices on were the driftbox and stuff like that...

First things first... Get my car out of the shop, then I'll look at picking one of these up.

I assume you need the actual weight of your car and all that stuff entered into the VBOX for an accurate reading?

I had a VBOX III it was $22,000 from memory.
I now use a VBOX3i I can't remember the exact price but is around $27,000.

You don't need their top end unit though. Racing Beat use a VBOX II for chassis development (it's around $8,000 or so). But you don't even need to spend this amount.

I started out using a VBOX Mini > read here > http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=143457&sid=1c9b1fbebe05d468ba66bc9be8914e1c

As I did more and more work I stepped up to the VBOX III then the VBOX3i with IMU unit and a whole host of other input boxes.

The VBOX Mini is copied in a hobby format in the Drift Box and Performance Box models, these are used 99% in the performance world *these are great products and do most of what you would ever need* These units from memory are sub $1000 or so. The VBOX Mini is around $2500.

These are THE reference measurement instruments across all vehicular platforms around the world and in so many testing labs, EOM's research centers etc etc ............ Buy a drift box or performance box it will be the best money you ever spend

[RICE RACING]

Yes to calculate the power as I do (see here > http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm )

(I developed this formula from first principles myself) and use it on any RL .vbo or .dbn file to add a maths channel with power as the output (as I did for the dude with the fast fd)

http://www.riceracing.com.au/RICE%20DON%201.JPG

&

http://www.riceracing.com.au/RICE%20DON%202.JPG

you need to know the mass of the vehicle as run. I measure all the cars I test with my Tanner scale system.

[RICE RACING]

Anyway read this > http://www.performancebox.co.uk/download/GTECHvPB_Test.pdf

And here is a good thread on Race Logic own site > http://www.racelogic.co.uk/Forum/showthread.php?t=727

[Fendamonky]

Right on Peter,

I didn't realize they were that expensive! Lol, I went to the VBOX USA site and saw the capabilities sheets, but no pricing data. Now I know why! Lol

Will have to look into picking up one of those along with the new ecu this summer, lol

[the_glassman]

Right on Peter,

I didn't realize they were that expensive! Lol, I went to the VBOX USA site and saw the capabilities sheets, but no pricing data. Now I know why! Lol

Will have to look into picking up one of those along with the new ecu this summer, lol

For $12 this application works amazingly well.


http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dynolicious/id286208729?mt=8

[ReZ311]

For $12 this application works amazingly well.


http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dynolicious/id286208729?mt=8

What did you enter for drivetrain loss? I'll just leave mine at 0.

[Fendamonky]

For $12 this application works amazingly well.


http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dynolicious/id286208729?mt=8

I pretty much despise anything apple (except my ipod, but that's just for sleeping/working out anyway), so I might be needing to pass on that one unless I can get it for my droid by way of Verizon.

[Force13b]

I pretty much despise anything apple (except my ipod, but that's just for sleeping/working out anyway), so I might be needing to pass on that one unless I can get it for my droid by way of Verizon.

You're welcome
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trackaroo.apps.mobile.android.Dynom aster&hl=en

[Oyvindjs]

impressive numbers indeed :)

[RICE RACING]

impressive numbers indeed :)

Yes indeed.

Why more people do not invest in racelogic products and do some testing instead of internet guesswork is beyond me.

:auto:

[legatia]

All this talk of racelogic got my attention. Think i might need to get my hand on one of those..

[RICE RACING]

O.K.

I have a bit of a rare thing in the FD RX7 world of real road cars, a potential 4 way battle!!!

Docmar (from Greece) 31psi GT45/47 equipped 13B RX7 (recently dynoed 840?rwhp!) .. contacted him last night and magazine in Greece will be VBOX'ing his car soon! previously on 24psi it did very well indeed with two people in car.

smg944 (USA) already detailed here, looking to go true 93 octane set up, either way sick car! and a real credit to this one man band effort (engine, tune, the whole shit show done himself!)

RICESP (yes cunts that is me!) 33psi T04Z, probably lowest power of the lot, but legitimate pump 93 petrol fueled ;) and RR water injected. 100% stock standard engine, stock standard inter cooler!!!! < a real factory rotary powered exotic supercar beater

Ray Wilson's PFS customer 10,000jazzillion rwhp @ 22000rpm!!! Maybe will run a 93 octane test since he is a broke ass and cant afford to justify spending $500 on a base model VBOX :P

This will be a VBOX ONLY thread, all files *maybe video if you have it to go along* need to be forwarded to me for verification and we will run up the 100kmh to 200kmh times and see how they compare to iconic supercars across the globe!

Showing the world that real rotary street cars do exist and they are not like your local neighborhoods 1200rwhp Toyota Supra that traps 122mph in the 1/4 mile LOL.

if you know of any other fags who can get off their ass and be bothered to test their cars let me know, lets not just be a shit house forum full of dyno queens ...... get out there! test your car in a legitimate way, and prove that it works, and its FAST

[docmar]

Hello guys.
My Name is George i live in Greece and i am relatively new in rotary scene.
I have my fd for 4 years now, perhaps lucky for me or not, with the same motor.
This was my first ever touch with rotary motors.

You have to go easy with me because i never have learn english and i never had anything to do with something american or english or australian (exept one very nice australian-greek woman years ago).

So every thing that comes from me it is only what i'v learned from the tv (movies or music videos) from internet and from english books or magazines or from my effort generaly to learn english NOT with teacher only by my self.

I just LOVE my fd and it is by far the car that i use more and it gives me back so much pleasure so much joy concerning the fact that it isn't my first every day car however i use it allot i make big road trips with my wife and with my daugther.

I take it to cirquits for track days, i participate in rwyb drag races, i tune it by my self (biggest pleasure) in the open road, i tune it in dynos but i use it the most in open road at least once a week.

A car magazine in Greece will be VBOX'ing my car soon again and i will send the files to Peter.
I will use pumpgas because i will NOT use maximum boost for the test.
The car is very difficult to drive it in the road in maximum boost (31psi for me)
It looses traction even in third gear and 180km with very good tires (semis 265/35/18) in very good tarmac quality.
So i will try 24-25psi if i can manage the power and make something good out of it.

My every day boost is 20-21psi about 530-550whp (in different dynos)

I am very happy that i am mentioned honourably, far away from my country.(that happens not so often even in my country Greece)
Thanks to Peter because he is always seeking the better (forgive my english i do not want to sound cockie i do NOT think that i or my car are better) and he loves rx7.

Thats all from me for now,.....some videos with my car and me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOqSnkZQQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4wed4zSijc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3u5gAYgmo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipK86qASza0&list=PLC6F021BA41418F55&index=3&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z6i0TFgFAo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zEp19MZwEw&feature=plcp&context=C4f55dafVDvjVQa1PpcFNhk--5pbeKjkP9tZSCua-2JcyjR10BQfA%3D

Keep it up...

[Oyvindjs]

Yes indeed.

Why more people do not invest in racelogic products and do some testing instead of internet guesswork is beyond me.

:auto:

I think the reason most people dont go down that route, is because they
1.see the price tag
2. have problems understanding the numbers and corrolations between the numbers, i myself is one of them, but i try to learn something every day. :)

So, lets say i was to put aside some bills one month and want to get a cheap and reliable Vbox-ish thing. Or, i get a few friends and get one we can share.
What do you recommend?

[RICE RACING]

I think the reason most people dont go down that route, is because they
1.see the price tag
2. have problems understanding the numbers and corrolations between the numbers, i myself is one of them, but i try to learn something every day. :)

So, lets say i was to put aside some bills one month and want to get a cheap and reliable Vbox-ish thing. Or, i get a few friends and get one we can share.
What do you recommend?

A few of my friends bought one, and they shared it for some street fun and also at use on track days too.

Honestly if you love your car and always are looking for improvements then a basic VBOX like smg944 has is worth more than paying for some other stuff you would on your car ;)

I recommend everyone buy one, if you can do it on your own by not spending so much on going out for a few months or drinking less beer, then its a worthwhile investment. They are such a great thing you very little of them for sale 2nd hand.

Just get one, we all here can teach you how to use it ;)

[Oyvindjs]

like this unit?

http://www.vboxaustralia.com.au/vbox%20mini.html

[RICE RACING]

like this unit?

http://www.vboxaustralia.com.au/vbox%20mini.html

So that is the base model VBOX. Excellent unit which will allow you to do data logging with a mini input module hooked up to it as well (you can see a sample log screen on my web page - go to water injection page) I tuned the Capella listed there with this device! on the road!

Data captured on VBOX MINI + MIM01 Input module
http://www.riceracing.com.au/Photos/WI%20numbers.jpg

A cheaper unit/s is the hobby level PERFORMANCE BOX, see vbox usa web site for links to it, cant hook up extra inputs though, but still excellent for performance testing. site for you > http://www.vboxusa.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1

[JhnRX7]

I have a performance box so I can go out and get some data this weekend...

I have only ever used the box for lap timing at the track so im unfamiliar with the 100-200 test. I assume you just record an acceleration run through all the gears then sort through the data and grab the time between 100-200... Not crusing at 100 then punch it until passing 200, correct?

My car is nothing special, just an FD with non-sequential twins running about 12psi.

I also have quite a few friends with single turbo cars locally so I can try and get it in their cars for more data.

[Oyvindjs]

A cheaper unit/s is the hobby level PERFORMANCE BOX, see vbox usa web site for links to it, cant hook up extra inputs though, but still excellent for performance testing. site for you > http://www.vboxusa.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1


Hi!
Excellent! I will have a look at this little thing.
So, if i get it and do some runs with it when im done with engine and tuning, and send the data to you, you can fiddle with numbers and stuff?

Damn you for getting me to look at this stuff, i love gadgets! I was to spend my money getting the 7 done this year...! :biggthumpup:

[RICE RACING]

I have a performance box so I can go out and get some data this weekend...

I have only ever used the box for lap timing at the track so im unfamiliar with the 100-200 test. I assume you just record an acceleration run through all the gears then sort through the data and grab the time between 100-200... Not crusing at 100 then punch it until passing 200, correct?

My car is nothing special, just an FD with non-sequential twins running about 12psi.
*** See heaps of BPU RX7's here > http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm
90kmh to 140kmh test standard in 3rd gear*** It would be nice to compare your car to these similar ones

I also have quite a few friends with single turbo cars locally so I can try and get it in their cars for more data.

100% right.

There are two tests that are great to do:

90kmh to 140kmh (3rd gear power band test (Rice Racing standard) you will see the under my VBOX page)
*** This is a VERY POPULAR test as its fast, very quick, easy to do, and lets you test the power band from ~4500rpm to ~8000rpm (depending on level of wheel slip!)*** http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm

100kmh to 200kmh (3rd gear to 4th gear to 5th etc, acceleration test)
Note: in the acceleration test, say if you have a poor power band you can start off in 2nd gear, its totally up to you, whatever makes your car faster, you can change up to 5th if your car wont rev out, its up to you! ;)

To do either one you find a flat bit of road, start in gear a fair way under the set speed (say 70kmh), mash the gas, and run it out over the end speed (say 220kmh). The data is extracted post processing using the VBOX Tools software, and a report is generated (just like show in my VBOX testing page on my site.

If you boys go the extra level of getting an accurate weight measure of you cars (with you in it as when you run the car) I will then apply my own developed formula and create another maths channel on your data log you send me, this will be a power channel and it will show you the power at the rear wheels during your runs *simple* It is a great way to see what power you have, and make on the road during the test. I will do this for everyone who sends me a file. The results will be collated in the first page/post of this thread and we can have a resource for people to look over and easily compare & ANYONE can spend a little amount of money and go buy a Performance box and run their own tests and send me the files and get amongst the action and fun that is testing your car and finding out exactly how powerful and FAST it really is :)

[RICE RACING]

Hi!
Excellent! I will have a look at this little thing.
So, if i get it and do some runs with it when im done with engine and tuning, and send the data to you, you can fiddle with numbers and stuff?

Damn you for getting me to look at this stuff, i love gadgets! I was to spend my money getting the 7 done this year...! :biggthumpup:


This is ONE device that WILL help you quantify the money you spend on your car and will show you how powerful and fast your car really is, be it on circuit track, or air port runway, drag strip or on the street, its a great investment, and separates the FACTS from FICTION :)

Yes for free for ANYONE I will run the extra data channels and reports on their files they send me, it makes me happy that rotary people are out there testing and learning and showing off their cars the way it was intended, to be FAST on the road and track and showing what they can do, and this way there is no excuses, no doubts, just pure simple factual results, the BULLSHIT STOPS WHEN THE VBOX DROPS. :)

[RICE RACING]

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=975948

Someone needs to recruit this man from Finland to sign up here and join us who have fast RX7's :) we can help him much much more than poofters on uselessclub.com ;)

[RICE RACING]

First page updated! with some results & stats

[Oyvindjs]

Man, i think i will have to get me one of theese, if a friend of mine doesnt have one allready..! Damn you, Peter!!!! :D
I am dead curious on how fast my car will be when im done. I will be running practically identical setup with the BNRs in seq mode and the awesome 100psi simplified solenoidkit from azeknightz, to Yellow_r1 in this thread, but only water injection for me.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=966671&page=2

[RICE RACING]

It is the ONLY honest and simple quick way to know how fast you car is.......... Test the power band (3rd gear test) test the std 100kmh to 200kmh sector and see how you compare to others and to Iconic Supercars across the globe :001_005: not many limitations nor excuses :icon_tup:

Get On It :-oc==3

[RICE RACING]

I have a performance box so I can go out and get some data this weekend...

I have only ever used the box for lap timing at the track so im unfamiliar with the 100-200 test. I assume you just record an acceleration run through all the gears then sort through the data and grab the time between 100-200... Not crusing at 100 then punch it until passing 200, correct?

My car is nothing special, just an FD with non-sequential twins running about 12psi.

I also have quite a few friends with single turbo cars locally so I can try and get it in their cars for more data.

Look forward to adding you to the list :)

Please send me your file to peter@riceracing.com.au along with some details of the weight as tested (if you know) I'll run the power channel and send you the file back ;)

[RICE RACING]

Here is a picture of my old VBOX units, my VBOX3 and my VBOX Mini + MIM01 input box next to it.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3012/img0608ricevboxs.jpg

Some calibration of the VBOX units and Neko AFR instruments I use

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4213/img0611vboxnekocalibrat.jpg

My new latest VBOX3i with IMU (accelarometer) + mobile harness to fit up to various test cars for hard wire in.
I LOVE THIS UNIT!!!

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1658/img0829vbox3inew.jpg

[Oyvindjs]

dont even dare think about the costs of that equipment :ack2:
Bet it cost more than most well done FDs :biggthumpup:

[docmar]

I found the v-box test of my car in the power magazine.

I remember 21-22psi pump gas, about 1/2foul tank, me and one fellow passenger from the magazine and the equipment ofcourse.

100-200km 6,9sec.

I am very anxious to see the difference from the extra boost and power....:suspect::suspect::suspect:

And without passenger in the car....:suspect::suspect::suspect:

[RICE RACING]

updated!

Thanks for supporting this list ;) it will be a great thing :) a resource to separate fact from fiction :9898:

[RICE RACING]

More technical details added to the bottom of the first post to explain to people when you have the same car with same weight then to do half the time of a stock car you need double the power! this also equals double the acceleration you record on a VBOX! (double the power equals half the time and half the distance to reach your speed increments be they 100kmh to 200kmh or 90 kmh to 140 kmh)

So in reality everything adds up perfectly :)

This is how I test average power increases on cars, making TRUE power gains not just at the peak last 500rpm but across the whole range :) more like 4000rpm

We can compare all kinds of cars and set ups, at the end of the day its all about how fast your can accelerate and how short a distance, least now you boys can see the facts behind really proven fast fd's :cheers2:

[RICE RACING]

I found the v-box test of my car in the power magazine.

I remember 21-22psi pump gas, about 1/2foul tank, me and one fellow passenger from the magazine and the equipment ofcourse.

100-200km 6,9sec.

I am very anxious to see the difference from the extra boost and power....:suspect::suspect::suspect:

And without passenger in the car....:suspect::suspect::suspect:

You will get there mate, least now you can compare to various other proven FD's around the world (the whole idea of using a VBOX and this list).

Remember F=m*a, so extra weight has an effect especially at lower speed tests like 90-140, at higher speed aero dynamic drag force plays by far the biggest part (Bugatti anyone!) there is no substitute for power and average power in the gars you choose.

100kmh to 200kmh is a fantastic practical test, and no shortage of real supercars to compare yourself with too. You may not want to do the power band test in 3rd gear though with your massive turbo, it will show up the lack of low end power and response. I will run the report anyway and post it up so people can see the effects. Again on my site the Capella on the VBOX testing page performs very badly from 4700rpm to 8000rpm in 3rd gear (over a second slower than my car).... too big a turbo and wrong porting for those revs on the street.

I fixed up some formatting on the first page, so its easier to follow for people.

[RICE RACING]

Added a VBOX test of a Ferrari F40 (euro spec) this is just out of general interest as its the iconic supercar of all time! I built my RICESP to beat the Ferrari F40, which it easily does ;) as can be seen, Ironically the run weight is IDENTICAL, the cross sectional frontal area is the same, as is the Cd, so you cant get a more even comparison, they even have the same gay rear wing and are red lol.......

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1467/f4001.jpg

Anyway I hope this inspires people to get on with maybe purchasing a Performance Box and getting out there and doing some tests and getting to know for yourself once and for all how fast your car is going with your improvements you have done :dunno: :) after all there is nothing more satisfying than seeing with your own eyes the fruits of your hard work and money spent to make your rotary powered car a supercar crusher :reddevil:

Get On It people, start testing, send me those files and some specs of your FD and we will hopefully ad to this real quick with your own cars :302:

And this is a slow lard arse *car only weight* USA spec Ferrari F40 I had corner weighted and VBOX tested by its owner, 60-130 time, these make a bit less power (closer to the factory 478bhp rating) than the cat less EURO light weight cars! anyway around 1450kg run weight full fuel inc driver
I easily beat that car, then went on to take down the much faster EURO spec F40's (which also went down!) *the faster EURO one is listed on our 100kmh to 200kmh test list*

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3640/img7817u.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7784/run5annotated.jpg
WEIGHT WITH FULL TANKS (120lt)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8301/img7818z.jpg

[RICE RACING]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2848/ferrarif40q.jpg

Run weight and VBOX test for Euro F40 ^

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/318/f404rnuova.jpg

Bit of info on Ferrari F40 engines here > http://www.carobu.com/Project%20Cars/F40/F40_Article.pdf inc tuning AFR on engine dyno ;)

& http://www.carobu.com/Project%20Cars/F40.html

MAKES YOU REALLY WONDER, HOW A HEAVIER CAR WITH LESS POWER, SAME AERO LOAD (Cd & AREA) SAME GEARING FROM 100KMH TO 200KMH (I SHIFT ON MANUAL BOX) CAN BE ALLOT FASTER THAN THE PRETENDERS WITH 500RWHP, 600RWHP, 700RWHP AND SO ON lol :) AND THESE CUNTS RUNNING LIGHTER CARS TOO!

FACT V'S FICTION

http://www.carobu.com/Dyno%20Testing/V-8/F40%20LM%20510hp/F40-Miles-Graph.gif

Type:3.0/4v
Bore: 82 mm
Stroke: 69.5 mm
Compression Ratio: 7.7:1
Heads: stock (no flow chart)
Cams: std. factory grind
Induction: twin LM turbo/intercooled with Weber-Marelli injection (Razzo Rosso chip set), electronic waste-gate, standard air box and filter
Exhaust: factory 4-1 headers with LM pipes
Ignition: direct coil

This engine was tested as-is from the car, then upgraded with our LM turbo kit. This engine wasn't particularly fresh, but was representative of an average F40 engine.

[RICE RACING]

Bill S from Ferrari chat who is the owner of many mega cars :bowdown: posted up for me his 100kmh to 200kmh time from his Ferrari Enzo, this thing is a probably a bit stronger than normal tested ones since he did a precision rebuild on the engine. Thanks very much Bill! added it to our list, here is the link to the graph, when he sends me a cleared version I'll upload it and post here too. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=141406422&posted=1#post141406422

[RICE RACING]

First page updated, format tidied up, and links put next to tested rides for further information :D :bigear:

Expecting more results from people maybe this weekend, I'll post them up :smash:

[RICE RACING]

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246690&page=10

^ Great link for actual measured car weights of iconic super cars :driving:

[docmar]

Every time i look at the thread i see updates.
Every time i find it different and better.

I am very anxious to make the test with my car, to see the results and to see also other strong fast fd's.

PS i think i am going to use some water to my motor....

[smg944]

peter has done a nice job with this thread. i sent him over another 4 rx-7 setups to compare to with specs.

[RICE RACING]

Thanks very much boys, and steve I got all the files just now, I'll process and post them inc your power request tonight my time.

Keep up the great work with testing, and this will grow very quick ;)

[RX SE7EN]

I love the list, but we need to get a few modded supercars on there to see what the insane power looks like. There are plenty of TT lambo's and Ferrari's around (underground racing, and about 4 other companies specialize in them).

[RICE RACING]

I can throw in one or two I guess, just have to keep it in perspective, I want to keep the list to FD RX7 road cars (for obvious reasons of comparison ability and validity) so pretty much the only variables are how much power you have in reality and the spread of your power curve (in the 90kmh to 140kmh test in 3rd gear).

We also need to remember the majority of cars are little 2.6lt *equiv* 2 rotor rotary engines, compared ti many more cubes and multiple turbo's off cars that cost 10 times more in price. I have a few reference "super cars" up there, but dont want to spam it too much with all kinds of stuff that makes it hard for people to follow etc.

I could easily link 6 speed's forum to show those other cars though if people want to look them up :) *idea*

Open to all opinions though, that is just my thoughts on it. :bigear:

[Fendamonky]

Ray Wilson's PFS customer 10,000jazzillion rwhp @ 22000rpm!!! Maybe will run a 93 octane test since he is a broke ass and cant afford to justify spending $500 on a base model VBOX :P

Is this referring to me? lol


Well, hopefully I'll have my car back in a week or two and once I sell my 600cc sport bike I'll have a bit of spare cash to buy a Driftbox or Performance box... Once I get everything fitted and working I'll kick you whatever files I log :biggthumpup:

[RICE RACING]

Is this referring to me? lol


Well, hopefully I'll have my car back in a week or two and once I sell my 600cc sport bike I'll have a bit of spare cash to buy a Driftbox or Performance box... Once I get everything fitted and working I'll kick you whatever files I log :biggthumpup:

Nah it was that blue 800rwhp RX7 where Ray Wilson was shitting on about it after I told him I don't give a fuck about his dyno sheets, and he sprouted on and on about how good he is and his motor is refined etc etc.

I put the challenge up, ball is in his court to test the car and prove if its a fast fd or just another dyno queen.

:lurk5:

[RX SE7EN]

I can throw in one or two I guess, just have to keep it in perspective, I want to keep the list to FD RX7 road cars (for obvious reasons of comparison ability and validity) so pretty much the only variables are how much power you have in reality and the spread of your power curve (in the 90kmh to 140kmh test in 3rd gear).

We also need to remember the majority of cars are little 2.6lt *equiv* 2 rotor rotary engines, compared ti many more cubes and multiple turbo's off cars that cost 10 times more in price. I have a few reference "super cars" up there, but dont want to spam it too much with all kinds of stuff that makes it hard for people to follow etc.

I could easily link 6 speed's forum to show those other cars though if people want to look them up :) *idea*

Open to all opinions though, that is just my thoughts on it. :bigear:

ok I get it. making an rx7 comparison is a nice idea. The other cars would muddy it up, as displacement is king (if all mods are the same and sized correctly). But a few wouldn't hurt just to see if you have access to them.

[RXtacy]

Is this referring to me? lol


Well, hopefully I'll have my car back in a week or two and once I sell my 600cc sport bike I'll have a bit of spare cash to buy a Driftbox or Performance box... Once I get everything fitted and working I'll kick you whatever files I log :biggthumpup:

Let me know if you end up picking one of those up. I'd like to run my slow rotary too :lol:

[Fendamonky]

Nah it was that blue 800rwhp RX7 where Ray Wilson was shitting on about it after I told him I don't give a fuck about his dyno sheets, and he sprouted on and on about how good he is and his motor is refined etc etc.

I put the challenge up, ball is in his court to test the car and prove if its a fast fd or just another dyno queen.

:lurk5:

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, I know the car you're talking about. How long ago is this that you had that conversation?

The reason I ask is that it's now left his shop, so there would really be no way floor him to test it. Truth be told that one was very well put together with little to no expense spared.

Mine should be coming put of the same shop making about 500whp shortly. I'd be happy to do the testing and you can use those files as a baseline for comparison.

Honestly if Ray is just some rotary hack a la HC/BDC than you're not likely to find anybody (shop wise) in the states who really knows their shit.

Let me know if you end up picking one of those up. I'd like to run my slow rotary too :lol:

Oh, most def bud! I have no problem sharing toys :)

[JhnRX7]

Peter,

I emailed you a performance box data file. :icon_tup:

[RICE RACING]

Peter,

I emailed you a performance box data file. :icon_tup:

Thanks John, file and detail received. I'll do the analysis tonight (my time) and post it up and send you back the file with the power channel added.

Peter

[RICE RACING]

List updated, added a few more "normal" FD's that people can aspire too making themselves :auto:

Still very fast cars when you compare them to the list of real cars (used as a guide to measure yourself against). With a bit of fine tuning these are nice all round packages.

Keep up the great work, keep testing and sending me those files and details :coolgleamA:

[RobbieRX-7]

I've been looking for a list like this for ages.

[RICE RACING]

I've been looking for a list like this for ages.

We (all who get off there ass to test!) are glad to provide what you want, its a bit of hard work for me to collate the info, but I enjoy it and it's showing what these cars can do in reality.

I'm sure with time, many more FD RX7's will be tested, so you can see how you compare with the various set up's and levels of tune up out there.

[RICE RACING]

Bump this great thread

[Mitchocalypse]

This is one of my favorite threads on the whole Internet. So i'm bumping it.

[RICE RACING]

Update for you on page 1 100kmh to 200kmh from RICESP tested a few weeks back, fastest true petrol 13B RX7 in the world ;) well the only one proven anyway.

We have a few boys who are trying some more set ups who have sent me VBOX files, just need to get around to posting them up.

[RICE RACING]

There are some vehicles being upgraded for higher power output too now that will see a reduction in times for these performance figures listed. You are right that this is the best thread on the internet, in a world where there is so much shit talk and internet posts there are some of us that have real cars, that work, and are really FAST :auto:

Fact v's Fiction LOL

[RICE RACING]

Reminder this is the ONLY thread where the "majical internet claims of 500rwhp+" are actually backed up with a proper measure and not just a toilet paper digital screen dump (or worse still a sig block with a claim only LOL) like most forums and posters use to seller inferior offerings ;)

[RICE RACING]

Challenge has been out there for a long time now................................

Seems like not too many can back the HYPE with FACT lol, would be nice to add some real street cars to this list to show just how good you can make them and how fast they really are.

Guess you have to make one first though hahahahahaha (or pay someone to do it for you) ;)

[indio84]

subs, Peter keep up with the good job. Kind of like the no BS approach.

[RedR1]

is this why Howard Coleman has been trying to get to the Bonneville Salt Flat races for the past few years. . . to max out and challenge you?

[RICE RACING]

is this why Howard Coleman has been trying to get to the Bonneville Salt Flat races for the past few years. . . to max out and challenge you?

LOL, dunno :dunno:

There has been quite a few of us (see the list) who have gone out of our way to accurately verify the speed of our true road cars.

HC may want in on that action? problem for him is you need to be able to drive off the dyno and out onto the road :Chevy_anim:

[Topgear]

Hi pete do you have any updates someone over on Fduk said you are now running well over 3 bar if so wow big boost don daddy :)

[RICE RACING]

Hi pete do you have any updates someone over on Fduk said you are now running well over 3 bar if so wow big boost don daddy :)

old hat

as I said over on Aqumist forum, still waiting for someone, anyone, to catch up to what I have done 10 years ago, then I will release some old 'un classified' info :) currently working on much more don mega gizzfactor 3000 developments ........

Was waiting for Howard Colemans fact v's fiction progress and input here :lol:

[grantrx4]

I don't think anyone else will catch up so you might as well entertain us with your developments:)

[smg944]

hey peter sent you my new pump gas time :)

[RICE RACING]

hey peter sent you my new pump gas time :)

Got it thankyou.

Wish there were more real people in the world who actually test cars properly rather than dealing in BS hype dyno sheets LOL. :patriot:

[chibikougan]

Mmmm input need more input!

[Prodigy]

I just read the thread on Fast FD User smg944 killing a 600whp GT-R R-35, so... Bump for more people to join the list...

http://www.rx7club.com/racing-kills-lounge-10/550whp-rx7-vs-600whp-gtr-1049001/

Mitch, I think I know what you and me are going in on to purchase this year...


J.

[RICE RACING]

Mazking (Matt's) FD is turning into a bit of a rocket!
he has decided to buy a VBOX and will get us some 'official' numbers soon, the data off the Apexi with WM50 and 1.3bar boost are nice, and she 'shreds' according to him :)

Current estimate is 90-140 in ~2.7 second range in 3rd gear powerband test

Brian TTT is looking to get on board with the same test equipment so we will have another to ad as well hopefully.

[TitaniumTT]

Yes, yes I do.... I'll probably treat myself to a Vbox round the holidays... I've got a stretch of rd lined up but being Dec/Jan in the NE might prove a little sketchy.... We'll see though. I really want to see how the disneyjet numbers corelate with Peters bhp calcs.

[RICE RACING]

Yes, yes I do.... I'll probably treat myself to a Vbox round the holidays... I've got a stretch of rd lined up but being Dec/Jan in the NE might prove a little sketchy.... We'll see though. I really want to see how the disneyjet numbers corelate with Peters bhp calcs.

Yeah it will be tops,

We will have 4 x RRWEP140 equipped cars (you, me, levi, matt) all tested with VBOX and all true road cars.

At the top end of the list, I am the only true street fueled car running petrol (not faggot cock eating E85) then you have Steve Gomes (SMG) with his C16 car which recently put down a throat gagging 713rwhp @ 40psi on PT6766 with 1.32A/R and promptly destroyed his gearbox's 3rd gear, infact it had so much power on 40psi that you could not accelerate in 3rd gear with drag radials on the back..............

Some new set ups coming out that will make that look tame as well :117:
Traction control with 275 wide R888 soft rear tires are the only hope on the street @ full power, but even then you cant utilize all of it below 100mph, its just how it is.

Fact v's Fiction a few tests out in the real world LOL

[TitaniumTT]

Yeah it will be tops,

We will have 4 x RRWEP140 equipped cars (you, me, levi, matt) all tested with VBOX and all true road cars.

At the top end of the list, I am the only true street fueled car running petrol (not faggot cock eating E85) then you have Steve Gomes (SMG) with his C16 car which recently put down a throat gagging 713rwhp @ 40psi on PT6766 with 1.32A/R and promptly destroyed his gearbox's 3rd gear, infact it had so much power on 40psi that you could not accelerate in 3rd gear with drag radials on the back..............

Good God man..... Ya know, Steve's shop is like 15-20 minutes from where I'm at right now.... I think I may have to pay him a visit in the next week or so.... just saying....

Make that 5 cars... I'm going to build the 'vert with it, and eventually I know, after I have conquered the fucking aquamist system, I'll strip it out.... thing is pissing me off.......

Some new set ups coming out that will make that look tame as well :117:

:awesome::suspect:

Traction control with 275 wide R888 soft rear tires are the only hope on the street @ full power, but even then you cant utilize all of it below 100mph, its just how it is.

Werd.... my setup is getting so responsive that even when short shifting into 2nd @ 2500 rpms, 20psi is coming up so fast and hard the tires are breaking loose by 3500....

Hopefully by the end of the year I'll have the car on the dyno... and I want to destroy the rx8 gearbox :rofl:

Fact v's Fiction a few tests out in the real world LOL

:rofl: Imagine that.... sooooooooo 3 years and countless engine with what, 4 full throttle dyno passes? At some point you need to put your tail between your legs and stop posting until you take your head out of your arse and realize that the wheel was already invented, and perfected :rofl:

[RICE RACING]

Yeah go see Steve, I just converted his PFC engine tune (reversed engineered it) into a Ve map, he is switching over to an Adaptronic. you can remind him to send me his last VBOX file and I can update his stats on the list and also run a power channel conversion on it.

This site and thread is like the diametric opposite to the total ass hat double line spacing, multi year thread, no delivery, engine molestation, E85 injector blocking, winter snow excuse touting, prototype manifold shit wastegate placing, paradigm shifting, Link ECU blow up toy gimik machine promoting BDC ball licking, goat herding, C I_I N T of a joke on gayclub.com

Best method is keep making real road cars that run on real fuel and tested properly and have some real world results to back up the claims :rant:

[TitaniumTT]

Yeah go see Steve, I just converted his PFC engine tune (reversed engineered it) into a Ve map, he is switching over to an Adaptronic. you can remind him to send me his last VBOX file and I can update his stats on the list and also run a power channel conversion on it.

Will do. Adaptronic? Well, at least he can start to log a few more things. I would rather see an ECU that has so many inputs I have to think outside the box for other odd things to log, you know, just because I can.

Does Steve have a VBox? If so, maybe, I can just borrow his and we can go play somewhere. I'm curious as to where in RI he's doing these runs, the only place I have found is rt 4 and it's fucking SHORT.... becomes even shorter at those speeds :rofl:

This site and thread is like the diametric opposite to the total ass hat double line spacing, multi year thread, no delivery, engine molestation, E85 injector blocking, winter snow excuse touting, prototype manifold shit wastegate placing, paradigm shifting, Link ECU blow up toy gimik machine promoting BDC ball licking, goat herding, C I_I N T of a joke on gayclub.com

:smilielol5: It's good for a laugh at least..... I haven't heard anything from the fucker in a while though... which is nice...

Best method is keep making real road cars that run on real fuel and tested properly and have some real world results to back up the claims :rant:

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo having someone else tune your shit and constantly blow it up while talking about theories involving airspeed so fast the wind chill factor is causing the injector diffusers to freeze and break apart? What about a perfect idle achieved with 12psi of EMAP? Or the silicone in the MAP ref line? Why does he still try?

E85 injector blocking,

Wait... wut? :rofl:

winter snow excuse touting

Hey now, I've got that shit to deal with as well.... but I'm never afraid to strap the bitch down to the rollers, and occasionally we'll get a warm dry stretch where I can take the car out to play.... which is why I generally wait until the new year to put her away... hoping for that one last day.

[RICE RACING]

Yeah man he has one!, down load the RL software for Performance box and I will send you the file and you can google earth it lol

[TitaniumTT]

:lol: Isn't technology great sometimes..... I think next Tuesday I'll swing by.... I'll have some time and I'll be in the area.

[RICE RACING]

:lol: Isn't technology great sometimes..... I think next Tuesday I'll swing by.... I'll have some time and I'll be in the area.

DO IT! be crazy not too if you are around, there is not many of us with true fast RX7's, the more we all work together and get more of us to GET ON IT :-Oc==3 then the better it is @ the end of the day.

The RL system is just gag factor good! I have so many files and test results in this day and age of an over supply of information its sweet just to sit back some days and collate it all and see what you have done, the VBOX system is super for that.

On my web site I think I will do up just a dedicated page focusing on that testing with better laid out graphs etc, see how I go, done a few updates LOL.

[JhnRX7]

Did some testing today.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15170&stc=1&d=1415397716

Here are two 90-140 kph runs. Run #2 was slightly uphill (about 2m) and run #3 was slightly downhill (about 2.5m). I am guessing this puts me somewhere in the area of 3.5 seconds. I can send the .dbn file if you want it.

Car is a 94 FD with stock twins setup non sequential. Medium-ish ported engine, 3" exhaust, intercooler, intake, etc. Both runs were performed at 12 psi on 93 octane (no water injection). Last time it was corner balanced it came to 1338kg with me in the car.

Log of one of the runs:
http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15171&stc=1&d=1415397729


I started working on the power calculation following the formulas you have posted on your website. I went out and used the performance box to take some rolling data on level ground. I was able to calculate drag coefficient and rolling resistance. My car has the Mazdaspeed GTC bumper so I would expect a larger drag figure, however I got double the stock value... Rolling resistance was in line with your figures.

I'm stuck on the power calculation... I dont understand the variable "Vspeed = vertical velocity". I see my performance box has a channel for it, but it does not record any data. Can this be calculated?

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15173&stc=1&d=1415397816

[RICE RACING]

Just eliminate the vertical velocity component, only a VB3i will measure this properly or be of use.

Refer your performance to many FD3S in similar spec here > http://www.riceracing.com.au/vbox-iii-testing-tuning.htm

[JhnRX7]

Here is my calculation. I eliminated the climbing resistance portion of the calculation and plotted it in excel (pull was done on relatively flat road so it should be ok). I do not have a good method to measure wind speed so I assumed that as 0.

The peak value was 219 RWKW

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=15175&stc=1&d=1415403652

[RICE RACING]

You are the first person in 8 years to use the openly provided information I developed as listed on my site :) congrats.

While the power is factual it is not hollywood in nature but it does match reality and cross checks, its a good tool to use to validate performance increases as all items balance, increased power = decreased times to and distance to perform any given test.

R.I.P Hugh McInnes (the Turbo Pioneer) who taught me all of this back before the internet !

[RICE RACING]

Yes, forgot to say if you want to email me your file, I will add a power channel to it and can look it over as well, just go to my web site and follow the links for email.