Turbo Tuning

[RICE RACING]

Check out the numbers in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPfK_BispVo&feature=related

Good read/view for the engineering types here :seeya: :lurk5:

[RICE RACING]

While on the topic of old shit box Hitler dream cars :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYBtCJDQqqg&feature=related

[PercentSevenC]

Those old turbo racing engines were insanity. And those tires on the 917! :eek:

[RICE RACING]

:conehead: Yeah I just eat sleep live breath cars and turbo's :conehead:

Do it as a job teaching people then after work obsess about it, test it, drive it, live it, in RICESP. I just can't get enough of the feeling turbo's give and the insane power levels, everything about them arouses me, the sound the noise, the push in the back, the way the car twists and steers itself under full acceleration.... and I am only using around 550bhp in a 1300kg < as driven car.

This sort of stuff (extreme 1500bhp 917/30) type cars should be in all motorsport now, 1000bhp rallycross cars, 1300bhp F1 Turbo cars, 650bhp rally cars, Group 5 touring cars! Not the contrived Green, Air restrictor bullshit crap we have to put up with now.

Least you boys have Rod Millen in his Toyota and had IMSA GTP cars for ages, here on this backwards Island **** hole of ex convicts we take the worst of your shit (NASCAR boat anchor engines) and call that premium motorsport! :( FFS in 1973 Porsche proved that concept was DEAD! in CanAm

[RICE RACING]

I looked at this excellent Ferrari video and instantly got emotional and a bit of wood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmFTy6KCDLw&feature=related

:auto: Still the best super car ever made :auto:

[RICE RACING]

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/422/Porsche-917-30_2.jpg

[RICE RACING]

This car is fucking sweet ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C02jDvfBHU&feature=related

[TitaniumTT]

The F40 is just awesome. I remember when I was 12, my old man got me the worst b-day present ever. One of his clients was the general manager of the Ferrari dealership one town over. As a present, for a 12 year old, I got a test drive in a Ferrari 348 that was in the shop for maintanence.... turn's out one of the mechanics was a back-up driver for something... yeah... I got my first hard-on at the age of 12. And it's been a 20 year addiction to speed and handeling. So, while we were waiting for the test drive the manager came out, sat me in an F40, and pronounce to my old man that he thinks that F40 that I was sitting in just sold to a guy in TX for >750,000..... if memory serves, I was 12, and this was literally 20 years ago. But damn...

[C. Ludwig]

Pete, if you've never read Mark Donohue's auto biography you'd probably enjoy it. Lot's of personal insight on the development of the 917-10/30.

[RICE RACING]

Pete, if you've never read Mark Donohue's auto biography you'd probably enjoy it. Lot's of personal insight on the development of the 917-10/30.

Thanks, I am going to look into that.

Also this car and topic of turbo tuning just reinforces to me how much people forget about history. Like today people shitting on about Time Attack this and that like its the best thing in the world. When back in 1972! you had a sub 900kg car that was 2wd and had a responsive and reliable 1500bhp!!! that would and did blow every single CHEV and FORD boat anchor out of the water :smilielol5:

Dirty old mechanical injection
6.5:1 compression
No intercoolers
And only 5.4 liter capacity
CD Ignition :)
12.8:1 AFR on simple avgas
1.5bar boost

I said a long time ago for Time Attack to be taken seriously especially in a historical context, I would want to see 2.6lt 13B's running 1500bhp and being fitted in 950kg RX7's and then it would only just match what was done 40 years ago!!!! maybe :smilielol5: I guess in 50 years time it might happen.

What happened to the world? I blame homosexuals and green peace.

[RICE RACING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Er3VzwGrY&feature=related

Another great video :D

[rx71king]

nice...do you have any video of you running your 3gen.?

[RICE RACING]

nice...do you have any video of you running your 3gen.?

This is back when it was running twins and basically stock (PFC, SMB exhaust).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbi8GFhGNw&feature=related


This is now with my upgrades, last test session at air port. It's a fair bit faster now (need to do new video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvaMTJZn8k

[rx71king]

the 1st video got my heart racing .... you drive like a new york city taxi..:lol::lol::biggthumpup:

[RICE RACING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKtWmzHcm8

nice ^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-yU-g6ljE&feature=related

^ This is SWEET!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3aKb92UCZo

another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL9GfR1Fg9Y

This is one of my favorite cars of all time, smooth idle cosworth. I have an engine dyno print out of it showing 838bhp using a GT42RS. > Details here > http://fastestcosworth.com/

http://www.fastestcosworth.com/magdyno.jpg

[RICE RACING]

The "earliest" TURBO TUNING and still the BEST !

*this is out of my own collection The most famous turbocharge piston plane, and still the fastest, most reliable, WATER INJECTED
*Turbo charged!*
http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9787&stc=1&d=1299058684
*3600bhp! from a 1700bhp motor!*
http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9788&stc=1&d=1299058755

[RICE RACING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjSg5ogUvP8

No this is some real power @ 45psi boost with GT42 turbo on little 4 cylinder with a great power band almost 1000bhp.

[rx71king]

holy shit...thats the best 4 banger ... got rotary guys looking for plan (b) at the circuit track

[RICE RACING]

holy shit...thats the best 4 banger ... got rotary guys looking for plan (b) at the circuit track

Fastest track car in UK at SuperGay lap dashes this year. The really do make the Japanese aftermarket street or Time Attack tuners look stupid.

There is "plenty" of 850bhp to 900bhp 4cyl cars, this comes from living in a country and side of the world that competes in F1, Group A, Group C, Group 5, Group B Rally and Rally Cross...... The amount of knowledge and skill in greater Europe is simply unbelievable. (decades of experience across all the above classes with these type of highly developed turbo engines)

BUT I do have a very good GM factory literature on the ECOTEC 4cyl and how to build it from 400bhp to 1400bhp (with dyno sheets and all factory part numbers!) but those things do require motorsport cylinder heads with strengthened combustion pockets to stop them from cracking apart.

The in line 4cyl turbo block is a super piece of architecture...... BMW proved this with the humble 2002 engine block from the mid 70's to the pinnacle of F1 power production and also in IMSA. It's only a matter of time till the 4G63 proves itself to 1800bhp level (more revs, more boost) on equalized capacity measures, when they get to 5.5bar boost (4.5 bar gauge) and start using GT47's then you know they are getting serious :) :leaving:

Makes drag people look pretty stupid LOL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHv_jKJVQ-Q&feature=player_embedded

[RICE RACING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljd7MzjFkYM&feature=related

Another of my fav cars!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vkpWr5O_jQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPiV-tHtEKw&feature=related

This is sweet (below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvNN9SvVIrs&feature=related

[RICE RACING]

First car with a dual input shaft dual clutch gearbox! well before the poofter Datsun R35GTR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEK7POxpVeE&feature=related *much nicer noise too!*

Another Hitler youth wonder engine > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vWpZCywllw

[RICE RACING]

Douglas Autoworks EVO2

1198kg! (add driver to this!)
166mph on real street tires! 1/4 mile!
237mph in 1 mile test
2lt capacity!
Stock crank shaft!
S400 BW turbo
3bar boost

http://www.youtube.com/user/FlyinEvo2#p/a/u/2/1-jdEj5eMcM

[RXTASY]

Reminds me of this.
http://www.idahorotary.com/gt2.wmv

[j9fd3s]

This car is fucking sweet ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C02jDvfBHU&feature=related

hey i was there for that! that's the montery historics, from maybe 2001? 2002?

it was porsche's year, and they brought EVERY car from the factory museum and ran it, even if some only got parade laps.

there was so much candy there, i barely remember seeing the 917! not only did they have that 917/30 but they had a couple of others, 917/10's, and a couple of the older lemans cars, even the pink one with the cuts of pork on it...

ferrari topped it in 2004, they brought mr schumachers championship car, 2 seconds off the lap record for the track!

[diabolical1]

so much goodness in here ....

[TheDriver216]

heres a few of ohio boys, big 4g63 following here...

John Shepherd AWD talon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTJj-YaMdsk&feature=related
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNzbcEXudE

Buschur racing evo, full interior street vehicle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efAOLl-MIWA

Jamie Carters Accelerated performance supra...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ECRe40nyY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGE7geH-P1w&feature=related

[RICE RACING]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjM1ODc1OTIw.html

^ Here is a good video showing the great balance of the RX7
You see how much power you need in a great car, V's a over rated DATSUN to achieve good velocity on the straights.
pay particular note to how far out DATSUN speedo's are to proper velocity measures from the VBOX data logger, and also check to see how long it takes to go 100kmh to 200kmh for the 3 DATSUNS :) (another great measure of the package and real power).

And here is the power plot of it below on a dynapack, it lacks a bit for mid range power, but non the less shows it can be good (so long as the exhaust does not catch on fire after 3 laps!)

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.famspeed.co.jp/mnt/power/index.html&ei=lK6BTeeEJ4mYvAPrpOzICA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFkQ7gEwBw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfamspeed%2B13B%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff %26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DMBn%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divnsfd

Taking off the 1.15 trans mission guess (TCF multiplier) factor it makes a peak BLIP of 547Ps on 1.51kg/cm boost pressure & a more average 478PS subtracting the BLIP power peak! < power at the hubs!!! (roughly same power at much higher boost than what I made on my old Yellow First gen in 2002! > http://www.riceracing.com.au/water-injection.htm
http://www.famspeed.co.jp/mnt/power/110124%20fd3s%2002sm1.jpg

http://www.famspeed.co.jp/mnt/power/110124%20fd3s%2005m2.jpg

http://www.famspeed.co.jp/mnt/power/110124%20fd3s%2011b1.jpg

[RICE RACING]

A little off topic but I'm sure you will love this...........

So who has watched Hot Version Vol 107 yet? *you can youtube it*

Very interesting seeing all the tested weights, boost pressures, top speeds on back straight! and claimed power levels :shock:

Excellent spread of cars and configurations :wink: Nice typo of the RE Amemiya car running a 4.3 rear diff when it has a 4.7 in it lol, but otherwise nice production.

RE Amemiya car
193.064kmh
twins @ 1.00kg/cm 402ps
1145kg

Famspeed
189kmh
twins @ 1.3kg/cm 499ps *where did the 100ps go?*
1153kg

R-Magic drift car
200.93kmh
T04Z 1.4kg/cm 580ps (sequential dog box)
1126kg

Domar spec drift
190.375kmh
T88 1.35kg/cm 570ps (sequential dog box)
1133kg

To pick the most exciting cars, interesting to see dyno dreams don't match with reality, very cool to watch the 5 lap race and see the 400ps twins car keep right up to the 580ps car! (within 1 car length along whole back straight up to 200kmh lol)........ guess who won?

Here is a list of very well known cars and their top speeds on the back straight at this track...
2007 17th Annual Revspeed Super Battle at Tsukuba Circuit

***NOTE*** ITS FUNNY HOW ~600PS Nissan's (M speed, Best Motorsports, Garage Ito) that weigh much more are 20+kmh faster lol (and that is with larger frontal area, higher drag too)!!!! I do have ALL of these cars on video along with detailed specs of the all as well ;)

* 1st place- #13 M-Speed R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 55.23sec, Top Speed: 227.282 km/h)
* 2nd place- #1 Garage HRS SUN Auto Cyber Evo CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 55.864sec, Top Speed: 220.678 km/h)
* 3rd place- #22 Pro-Staff R Magic FD3S Mazda RX-7 (Best Lap: 55.947sec, Top Speed: 217.742 km/h)
* 4th place- #12 Nagisa Auto R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.510sec, Top Speed: 227.082 km/h)
* 5th place- #16 Kurumakobou Decide R33 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.630sec, Top Speed: 233.615 km/h)
* 6th place- #14 Garage Kagotani R34 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 56.833sec, Top Speed: 227.416 km/h)
* 7th place- #31 Autobacs ASM Honda S2000 (Best Lap: 57.398sec, Top Speed: 188.055 km/h)
* 8th place- #18 Best Motor Sports R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.422sec, Top Speed: 220.994 km/h)
* 9th place- #15 Hosaka Tuning Factory R33 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.504sec, Top Speed: 224.346 km/h)
* 10th place- #17 Keiyo Jiko R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 57.658sec, Top Speed: N/A)
* 11th place- #3 Jun Automechanics CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 57.824sec, Top Speed: 211.640 km/h)
* 12th place- #19 Auto Gallery Yokohama R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 58.081sec, Top Speed: 223.8
* 13th place- #21 Garage Ito R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R (Best Lap: 58.282sec, Top Speed: 216.650 km/h)
* 14th place- #5 Varis CP9N Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 58.456sec, Top Speed: 211.102 km/h)
* 15th place- #4 Stillway CT9A Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution (Best Lap: 58.484sec, Top Speed: 204.468 km/h)

[RICE RACING]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOqSnkZQQ0&feature=player_embedded < what 129mph in real street test looks like 1.5bar. VBOX proven!

[Evil Aviator]

and still the fastest, most reliable, WATER INJECTED
I don't suppose you are familiar with Pete Law?
http://www.enginehistory.org/Convention/2005/Presentations/LawPete/Cooling.pdf

[RICE RACING]

I don't suppose you are familiar with Pete Law?
http://www.enginehistory.org/Convention/2005/Presentations/LawPete/Cooling.pdf


Excellent post, no I have not come across this before but have something very similar from a Reno racer listing various engine types and ADI systems used in quite high detail.

I'll host the paper on my site and list it for you. Since I lost the original link. :18:

[Mazdabater]

Speaking of hot version earlier, does anyone know of a site that has them for download, like on a torrent site, I've been looking for a while. My mate brought up a heap which I loved but they are a few years old now, Have never seen em for sale up here

[RICE RACING]

Here is some interesting Video, I need to add a Supra to my collection of cars i think :) brings back some good memories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXD9Oh4IHS8&feature=related

Highway ^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcdjRmD6ugs&feature=related

Tuning ^ 2.8 bar gauge pressure, stock inlet manifold,and BIG power! :Chevy_anim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYzfSKQkYM&feature=related

^ Drags 150mph

[RICE RACING]

Bumping a sweet ass *thread*

[j9fd3s]

Bumping a sweet ass *thread*

its a good one!