Competition Braking System Interest

SBGarage · 05-03-2012, 12:03 AM

This is merely an interest thread for our newest product...
The SakeBomb Garage Competition Brake system for the Mazda RX-7 (FD3S)!

Whether you are a weekend track junky, or competitive racer, this is the brake system for you. We have spent the last six months developing this brake system from the ground up using the finest components available for a truly race-ready braking system, while simultaneously keeping cost in mind. This setup is NOT equivalent to most “BBK’s” out there!

Our goal for this braking system was to shatter the performance limitations offered by most of the current BBK’s on the market, while reigning in the cost associated with stepping up to a true out of the box competition-ready brake kit. We chose to engineer our brake setup around AP racing components based on their continued success in top tier motorsports such as the American Le Mans series, Grand-Am, NASCAR Sprint Cup, NASCAR Nationwide Series, and Formula 1.

We have made custom aluminum rotor hats (that will be hard anodized), caliper brackets and brake lines creating a complete bolt on kit. The caliper we include with the kit is a true motorsports grade caliper (originally a rally caliper). We designed this kit to be used for primarily race use only IE: Competitive racing, track days, time attack and the such.

The AP calipers used in our system allow 20mm thick pads, which not only add additional thermal barrier between the rotor and caliper, but they will also last longer then a standard competition brake pad. Combined with the extraordinarily long-lasting AP J-hook competition rotor, our kit not only offers uncompromised braking performance, but great value and longevity as well. Many other calipers use pads that are 12-17mm’s thick resulting in reduced thermal insulation (more brake fluid boiling), and significantly increased pad replacement intervals (which is for the better as the rotors included in those kits typically are not meant to withstand the long term abuse tolerated by the J-hook rotors without a sweat).

For all of you track guys you know this means less pad changes and a greater thermal barrier between the caliper piston and the disk face.

A few specs on the CP8350 AP calipers we will be utilizing:
- Stainless steel pistons
- Anti-knockback springs
- Forged aluminum caliper construction weighs (AP’s street caliper line uses cast aluminum calipers)
- Light weight (about 4 lbs)
- Common pad shape (readily available pads from various manufactures)
- Calipers can be professionally serviced by Essex Parts Services (Exclusive Importer of AP Racing Motorsports products).

A complete spec sheet and more information on the AP CP8350 calipers can be found in the link below.

Caliper information

The AP 325mm J-hook rotor rings that are supplied with this kit directly come from AP’s motorsports line of iron brake discs. The J-Hook slot pattern is AP’s latest, most aggressive slot pattern available. These discs are similar to the discs being purchased by the top teams in various motorsports categories around the world.

AP Racing's Heavy Duty J Hook Racing Discs are specifically designed to handle race abuse. These are the same discs used on the fastest cars at the elite level of motorsports, including ALMS, NASCAR Sprint Cup & Nationwide, Grand-Am etc. They provide increased cooling, less judder, fewer cracks, and an increased service life vs. competing discs. When you run an AP disc, you can be confident that you're using the best parts available at any price point. -link below to source

“Most aftermarket discs have 30 to 48 vanes. Many times those vanes are straight, or non-directional, with a sub-optimal amount of space between disc faces. After extensive CFD and thermal stress analysis, AP designed the Heavy Duty J-Hook with 70 vanes and a wide 16.5mm air gap to increase airspeed and heat transfer, while reducing deflection and remaining reasonably lightweight.”- Link below to source

“The increased directional vane count on the J Hook Heavy Duty Disc amplifies air speed through the disc, reduces air recirculation between vents, and also increases convective heat transfer and heat distribution. In other words, both air and heat move more quickly and evenly through the disc, creating increased stability under the extreme loads of racetrack use. The disc is less prone to coning, distortion, and cracking, while providing cooler running temperatures, less brake fade, reduced judder, and a longer service life.” - Link below to source

J-Hook Rotor Benefits
-Industry/competition race standard rotors.
- True floating rotor design to allow axial float and radial heat expansion of the disc. A floating rotor also reduces stress and fatigue on the brake hats
-Components in this kit are from AP’s competition product line (these are NOT “street” components)
-50 years of brake engineering experience are in these rotors and calipers.
-AP J Hook discs can be found on 75% or more of the NASCAR Sprint Cup grid, and AP components are supplied to most top teams in Grand-Am, ALMS, BTCC, WTCC, and Super GT.
-AP’s proprietary iron alloy with extreme durability
-AP’s exclusive J Hook design to promote even heat distribution and reducing cracking, as well as increased leading edge surface area for increased initial “bite” compared to standard slotted rotors.
-Longer service life means less time and money spent swapping rotor rings.

Hands down, these rotors are one of the best competition rotors money can buy. This brake package developed by SakeBomb Garage is a complete out-of-the-box competition racing package, with no cost spared on components.

SBG Brake package specifications:
- AP CP8350 Forged Aluminum Caliper
- AP 325x32mm J-Hook Rotors
- Custom hard anodized bells (hats) and mounting bobbins
- Custom caliper mounting bracket and hardware
- DOT approved brake lines
- Installation instructions

For more information on the AP J-hook rotors please read the following link. We used some quotes above directly from the page linked below.

J-hook rotor information

We are making this thread to gauge interest for the initial group buy. For the initial offering we will be discounting this kit significantly. MSRP will be roughly $2850 but we are aiming to initially offer our brake package between $2350-2400! Again this is not the official group buy but merely an interest thread. We still have to do some final track testing before offering this kit publicly. We’re aiming to finalize testing in the next month at which time we will open up the group buy.

-Dan and Heath
SakeBomb Garage

Interest list so far:

1. Renesisfd
2.SpAm@FC
3. Blackadde///
4. Goodfrerras
5. Mono4lamarz
6. lou "how ya do"
7. flyweight
8. Supernaut

SBGarage · 05-03-2012, 12:07 AM

A few pics of J-hook rotors on some ALMS GT cars....

RedR1 · 03-13-2013, 10:34 AM

this looks SOOOOO trick. OMG, I think i know what is coming for Christmas . . .

SBGarage · 03-14-2013, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedR1

this looks SOOOOO trick. OMG, I think i know what is coming for Christmas . . .

We have the components in stock, so let us know when you're ready

http://www.sakebombgarage.com/FD3S-brake-system/

Here's a review from one of our first customers.

Customer:
Jim M. Instructor at BIR Performance Driving School

Review:

In summary, I am very pleased with the brakes. I love the way the pads go in – pad changes are going to be 5 minutes and no headaches! The protection around the bleed screws is appreciated for risk mitigation but is a bit of a PITA when bleeding. I was using a vacuum bleeder and it was tough to keep a box-end on the outer screw and get any range of motion for loosening/tightening.

Track-use:

Driver: Jim M. Instructor at BIR Performance Driving School
Date: Monday, 18 June, 2012. Minnesota
Location: BIR (short) Competition Road Course – 13 turns, 2.5 miles
Conditions: 80f Ambient, Partly sunny
Car: 1993 Rx-7 R1 Track-Only car, 13B motor by Chris Ott of Rotary Performance, Efini twins, Maval manual steering, A/C delete, air pump delete, etc…

Tires: all 4 corners – Hoosier R6, 285-30R18 mounted on 18×10 CCW Classics, 7.5” BS (4th track day on these tires…almost shot)

Front Brakes: SakeBomb/AP Caliper & Rotor kit, Hawk DTC-70 pads, Fully vented with custom backing plates

Rear Brakes: Racing Brake RX-7 Rear BBK 2-peice rotors with stock calipers on extended brackets. Hawk DTC-60 pads

Motul RBF-600 brake fluid (flushed/changed at least 1x per year)

No other changes in the brake system (stock master cylinder)

At the last minute I decided to take the pad compound up a notch (don’t ask me why) and I tested DTC-70 instead of the DTC-60. Bedding in was a bit scary – I did it on the track during hot lapping on my “wet” tires which are street tires (my ABS is not working and I didn’t want to flat-spot my track tires). The corner workers thought I was nuts. I drove four 20-minute sessions in the afternoon:

Impressions:

Excellent component design and workmanship: a step up from the RacingBrake solution.
Install was straightforward, easy, and quick (except for the stupid brake line clips)
Excellent feel pedal feel/travel: if anything, less pedal travel than before (Stock calipers, RacingBrake 2-piece rotors & Hawk DTC-60 pads up front)
No fade, very predictable braking force
TONS of brakes…
The Hawk pads were squeaky and dirty. Did I say I had TONS of brakes?
Rotors and pads stood up very well – no signs of cracking or hot spots.

Overall I am very happy with this kit and my new front brake platform. I can now stop worrying about rotors, etc and start fiddling around with bias, other pads, etc.

-Dan

05-03-2012, 12:03 AM	#1
SBGarage Driving The Rotary Sports Join Date: May 2012 Location: California iTrader: (0) Posts: 112 Rep Power: 13	Competition Braking System Interest - New SakeBomb Garage product! This is merely an interest thread for our newest product... The SakeBomb Garage Competition Brake system for the Mazda RX-7 (FD3S)! Whether you are a weekend track junky, or competitive racer, this is the brake system for you. We have spent the last six months developing this brake system from the ground up using the finest components available for a truly race-ready braking system, while simultaneously keeping cost in mind. This setup is NOT equivalent to most “BBK’s” out there! Our goal for this braking system was to shatter the performance limitations offered by most of the current BBK’s on the market, while reigning in the cost associated with stepping up to a true out of the box competition-ready brake kit. We chose to engineer our brake setup around AP racing components based on their continued success in top tier motorsports such as the American Le Mans series, Grand-Am, NASCAR Sprint Cup, NASCAR Nationwide Series, and Formula 1. We have made custom aluminum rotor hats (that will be hard anodized), caliper brackets and brake lines creating a complete bolt on kit. The caliper we include with the kit is a true motorsports grade caliper (originally a rally caliper). We designed this kit to be used for primarily race use only IE: Competitive racing, track days, time attack and the such. The AP calipers used in our system allow 20mm thick pads, which not only add additional thermal barrier between the rotor and caliper, but they will also last longer then a standard competition brake pad. Combined with the extraordinarily long-lasting AP J-hook competition rotor, our kit not only offers uncompromised braking performance, but great value and longevity as well. Many other calipers use pads that are 12-17mm’s thick resulting in reduced thermal insulation (more brake fluid boiling), and significantly increased pad replacement intervals (which is for the better as the rotors included in those kits typically are not meant to withstand the long term abuse tolerated by the J-hook rotors without a sweat). For all of you track guys you know this means less pad changes and a greater thermal barrier between the caliper piston and the disk face. A few specs on the CP8350 AP calipers we will be utilizing: - Stainless steel pistons - Anti-knockback springs - Forged aluminum caliper construction weighs (AP’s street caliper line uses cast aluminum calipers) - Light weight (about 4 lbs) - Common pad shape (readily available pads from various manufactures) - Calipers can be professionally serviced by Essex Parts Services (Exclusive Importer of AP Racing Motorsports products). A complete spec sheet and more information on the AP CP8350 calipers can be found in the link below. Caliper information The AP 325mm J-hook rotor rings that are supplied with this kit directly come from AP’s motorsports line of iron brake discs. The J-Hook slot pattern is AP’s latest, most aggressive slot pattern available. These discs are similar to the discs being purchased by the top teams in various motorsports categories around the world. AP Racing's Heavy Duty J Hook Racing Discs are specifically designed to handle race abuse. These are the same discs used on the fastest cars at the elite level of motorsports, including ALMS, NASCAR Sprint Cup & Nationwide, Grand-Am etc. They provide increased cooling, less judder, fewer cracks, and an increased service life vs. competing discs. When you run an AP disc, you can be confident that you're using the best parts available at any price point. -link below to source “Most aftermarket discs have 30 to 48 vanes. Many times those vanes are straight, or non-directional, with a sub-optimal amount of space between disc faces. After extensive CFD and thermal stress analysis, AP designed the Heavy Duty J-Hook with 70 vanes and a wide 16.5mm air gap to increase airspeed and heat transfer, while reducing deflection and remaining reasonably lightweight.”- Link below to source “The increased directional vane count on the J Hook Heavy Duty Disc amplifies air speed through the disc, reduces air recirculation between vents, and also increases convective heat transfer and heat distribution. In other words, both air and heat move more quickly and evenly through the disc, creating increased stability under the extreme loads of racetrack use. The disc is less prone to coning, distortion, and cracking, while providing cooler running temperatures, less brake fade, reduced judder, and a longer service life.” - Link below to source J-Hook Rotor Benefits -Industry/competition race standard rotors. - True floating rotor design to allow axial float and radial heat expansion of the disc. A floating rotor also reduces stress and fatigue on the brake hats -Components in this kit are from AP’s competition product line (these are NOT “street” components) -50 years of brake engineering experience are in these rotors and calipers. -AP J Hook discs can be found on 75% or more of the NASCAR Sprint Cup grid, and AP components are supplied to most top teams in Grand-Am, ALMS, BTCC, WTCC, and Super GT. -AP’s proprietary iron alloy with extreme durability -AP’s exclusive J Hook design to promote even heat distribution and reducing cracking, as well as increased leading edge surface area for increased initial “bite” compared to standard slotted rotors. -Longer service life means less time and money spent swapping rotor rings. Hands down, these rotors are one of the best competition rotors money can buy. This brake package developed by SakeBomb Garage is a complete out-of-the-box competition racing package, with no cost spared on components. SBG Brake package specifications: - AP CP8350 Forged Aluminum Caliper - AP 325x32mm J-Hook Rotors - Custom hard anodized bells (hats) and mounting bobbins - Custom caliper mounting bracket and hardware - DOT approved brake lines - Installation instructions For more information on the AP J-hook rotors please read the following link. We used some quotes above directly from the page linked below. J-hook rotor information We are making this thread to gauge interest for the initial group buy. For the initial offering we will be discounting this kit significantly. MSRP will be roughly $2850 but we are aiming to initially offer our brake package between $2350-2400! Again this is not the official group buy but merely an interest thread. We still have to do some final track testing before offering this kit publicly. We’re aiming to finalize testing in the next month at which time we will open up the group buy. -Dan and Heath SakeBomb Garage Interest list so far: 1. Renesisfd 2.SpAm@FC 3. Blackadde/// 4. Goodfrerras 5. Mono4lamarz 6. lou "how ya do" 7. flyweight 8. Supernaut __________________ Follow us for product updates and more! Last edited by SBGarage; 05-03-2012 at 12:05 AM..

05-03-2012, 12:07 AM	#2
SBGarage Driving The Rotary Sports Join Date: May 2012 Location: California iTrader: (0) Posts: 112 Rep Power: 13	A few pics of J-hook rotors on some ALMS GT cars....

03-13-2013, 10:34 AM	#3
RedR1 Brokeback Power! Join Date: Feb 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 290 Rep Power: 17	this looks SOOOOO trick. OMG, I think i know what is coming for Christmas . . .