Go Back   Rotary Car Club > Tech Discussion > Old School Rotary (Pre-1979)

Old School Rotary (Pre-1979) Pre-1979 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections


Welcome to Rotary Car Club.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-28-2014, 07:54 AM   #1
bowjangles
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 12
bowjangles is on a distinguished road
Default rebuild 13-B, have rebuilt, or buy reman?

I could use some advice; Here's the problem:
I have an old '74-75 13-B in my '80 Triumph Tr-7 roadster. it is non-turbo with a Hitachi 4bbl carbeurator;

Recently, it has started to smoke like crazy when I start it up.The smoke screen lessens after running awhile, but never goes away completely.
I can't tell whether the smoke is from coolant or oil, but after reading many forums, I'm pretty sure that the engine is toast-Sounds like coolant or oil seals are bad? Wish I was wrong!
Is there a way to determine the cause of the smoke w/o opening up the engine?

So, what are your thoughts about whether I should;
#1 Rebuild the engine myself-Have never done this to a Rotary, but have rebuilt other engines.
#2 Find a rebuilder. I have a list, any recommendations?
#3 buy a remanufactured engine -Don't have any sources for this.

Time is not an issue here as I am retired, but economics is important to me.







Last edited by bowjangles; 01-28-2014 at 07:56 AM.. Reason: misspelled word
bowjangles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 10:05 AM   #2
Pete_89T2
Lifetime Rotorhead
 
Pete_89T2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Elkton, MD
iTrader: (1)
Posts: 874
Rep Power: 15
Pete_89T2 is on a distinguished road
Default

As for determining if the smoke is coming from burning coolant or oil, the best indicator is what it smells like. Smoke from oil burning has a nasty, acrid stink - you won't want to take a deep breath around it; coolant has a sort of sweet smell that is not too repulsive.
Pete_89T2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 12:08 PM   #3
85rx-7gsl-se
Mod With The Least :P
 
85rx-7gsl-se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Manchester, TN
iTrader: (2)
Posts: 1,649
Rep Power: 0
85rx-7gsl-se is on a distinguished road
Default

I doubt many shops will have a rebuilt old-school (pre-1986) 13B sitting around. Option 2 would be my advice. Your general location would be helpful in advising on which rebuilders to look into.
__________________
Resident Post Whore
Polluting the environment one revolution at a time.

www.tennspeed.net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Carlock aka RotoriousRX7
"Rotarys come with built-in traction control, its called no torque"
85rx-7gsl-se is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2014, 12:18 PM   #4
TitaniumTT
Test Whore - Admin
 
TitaniumTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Right Behind you son
iTrader: (4)
Posts: 4,581
Rep Power: 10
TitaniumTT will become famous soon enough
Default

Blue is oil, white is coolant. You could also pressurize the coolant system and look for leaks, leaks with no puddles generally means coolant seals.

Yeah, where are you located?
__________________
-The Angry Stig-
DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC

DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!!

2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4
2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter
2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins
1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle
1988 'Vert - In progress
1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST!


I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you?
I'm pure Evil
I'm still insane, in the best possible way.
I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube.
Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion.
You win with your thread. Most everything
It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact

Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff....
No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon.
-Angry Motherf*cker Mode ENGAGED-
TitaniumTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2014, 08:20 AM   #5
bowjangles
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 12
bowjangles is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks for the info about smoke detection.Assuming that I can determine whether the smoke is from coolant or engine oil, how does that information help me decide whether the engine needs rebuilding or not?
bowjangles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2014, 08:22 AM   #6
bowjangles
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 12
bowjangles is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks for u r reply. I live in S.E. Michigan.Maybe you know of someone close to me that either rebuilds or sells rebuilds?
bowjangles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2014, 08:28 AM   #7
bowjangles
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 12
bowjangles is on a distinguished road
Default

O.K/: Thanks for the info, but does it really matter where it comes from? Lots of smoke means a rebuild right?
Can either or both situations (smoke from oil /smoke from coolant) be corrected without a rebuild?
bowjangles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2014, 06:17 PM   #8
diabolical1
I have radioactive semen
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: in a bottle of Glenfiddich
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 249
Rep Power: 17
diabolical1 is on a distinguished road
Default

generally speaking, you're right. it doesn't much matter. a rebuild is the bottomline if either turns out to be the case. however, there are one or two things it could be that wouldn't mean a rebuild. for example, if you went overboard with premix or something.

in addition to the information already given to you, you can also see which one of the two you have to refill frequently.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by RICE RACING View Post
This thread is more about debunking GAYclub and its spammers who hold more penis than any relevant qualifications ....
diabolical1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2014, 09:26 AM   #9
bowjangles
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 62
Rep Power: 12
bowjangles is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by diabolical1 View Post
generally speaking, you're right. it doesn't much matter. a rebuild is the bottomline if either turns out to be the case. however, there are one or two things it could be that wouldn't mean a rebuild. for example, if you went overboard with premix or something.

in addition to the information already given to you, you can also see which one of the two you have to refill frequently.
Thanks for the tip. I did measure the amt. of oil sent to the carb from the oil metering pump and it was within specs, but am going to try by-passing it and just add oil to the gas to see what that does.
The smoke did start just after an oil change so, I thought that I put too much oil in the crankcsase, but it was the correct amount. I will keep working on this as I don't know where or who can get me a replacement engine of this vintage (74-75)
bowjangles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2014, 11:28 AM   #10
85rx-7gsl-se
Mod With The Least :P
 
85rx-7gsl-se's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Manchester, TN
iTrader: (2)
Posts: 1,649
Rep Power: 0
85rx-7gsl-se is on a distinguished road
Default

Again, you will likely have to rebuild your current engine. Finding a rebuilt 74-75 13B sitting a shelf somewhere is somewhat unlikely. What most end up doing is building a hybrid of old and newer (FC RX-7) parts as old style 13B housing can be hard to find and pricey. Maybe Charles or someone else with old school 13B experience can chime in.
__________________
Resident Post Whore
Polluting the environment one revolution at a time.

www.tennspeed.net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Carlock aka RotoriousRX7
"Rotarys come with built-in traction control, its called no torque"
85rx-7gsl-se is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:37 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Hosted by www.GotPlacement.com
Ad Management by RedTyger