Anybody know how to make stuff out of FRP?

$100T2 · 03-06-2008, 09:43 PM

I have a few ideas for bumpers for my FB, but don't want to make them out of pure fiberglass. Anybody know how to make FRP??

RXtacy · 03-06-2008, 09:46 PM

I believe you have to mold FRP don't you? I can't see it being economical for a one off piece.

$100T2 · 03-07-2008, 11:53 AM

Well I was planning on making a mold to make my pieces really nice anyway. I just want something with some give to it so it won't crack or split like fiberglass does.

fikren · 03-08-2008, 10:28 AM

to my knowledge its just a epoxy vinyl resin and fiberglass fibers rather than sheets with a heavier mix on the resin vs the fiberglass. The mix of the two varies depending on application and I think most peoples recipies (mix ratios)are not something they want published such as if you called up shine and said "hey whats your mix for your FRP" I doubt they would tell you. Or at least thats how I am percieving it.

There is an great company called Fiberglast.com who are very helpful with chosing the right products. You might give them a call and see what they recomment. I know other places like USComposits are usually cheaper price wise but the couple of times I called them the people I talked to were really rude like they didn't have time to talk to me about their products.

fikren · 03-08-2008, 10:31 AM

there are also several methods of laying up fpr the common ones are hand laying, spraying the resin glass mix and then a closed mold where the mold is filled with glass and pressure injected with the resin.

warwickben · 03-09-2008, 10:00 AM

i have a book that deal's with this stuff.
if you want to make the parts out of carbon fiber but dont mind havening to paint them it says you can hand lay them on a mold like you can with fiber glass.

ask some questions and ill try to find the answers in the book.

fikren · 03-09-2008, 10:09 AM

think hes after FRP which is fairly bendable when cured. Has some give to it so a slight tweek in the frame or hitting something with it won't crack it all up like fiberglass or carbonfiber will when layed in sheets.

Does the book mention anything on FRP such as resin to fiber stands mix ratio?

May have to do just a trial and error kind of thing mix up a small ammount, let it cure see if it has what your looking for as far as strength vs flex.

fikren · 03-09-2008, 10:11 AM

On a side note, you might pm jkl enginering here on the site, they may not give you an exact recipie but may be able to get you steered in the right direction.

warwickben · 03-09-2008, 10:42 AM

the book is made by hpbooks fiberglass and other composite materials.
theres way to much info for me to retype. id be retyping the whole book. its a great read tho.

blwnrtr93 · 03-09-2008, 11:00 AM

I visited a local kit car company a couple years ago and got a tour of their facility. It looked like they were using just layered fiberglass sheets for their car bodys and panels. A combination of different weaves for strength. I think since you are making a mold that you'll be quite alright with just the fiberglass, although you may want to put some of the 3M clear tape over the part, once it's painted, to help reduce the chipping and cracking.
+1 on trying out your resin mix in smatch batches before you go all out. I've been using the really small (2 oz I think Dixie cups) filled 3/4 the way up with resin and then adding 14 drops of hardener from the small tubes and it's worked out pretty well. I use this mix with the fiber mat as well as fleece material when making speaker enclosures.

warwickben · 03-09-2008, 11:31 AM

what do you plan on making.

fikren · 03-09-2008, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $100T2

I have a few ideas for bumpers for my FB, but don't want to make them out of pure fiberglass. Anybody know how to make FRP??

warwickben · 03-11-2008, 03:59 PM

i feel dumb. i was thinking of making a bumber for my sa since no one makes a bumper for my car . i just need to make a parts that goes from fender to fender.
my bro hit a rock and messed up the plastic grill and the 2 square panels.

blwnrtr93 · 03-12-2008, 02:37 AM

There was a write-up in either Superstreet or Import Tuner when the G35 first made it's appearance where WingsWest was making a custom front bumper for it. I've sinced trashed the rags and held on to my invaluable resource materials (SCC and Modified).

FIBREMAZ 13 BEEF · 09-25-2008, 02:11 AM

Pretty sure that FRP requires the use of injection moulding (can be expensive to set up)

03-06-2008, 09:43 PM	#1
$100T2 Big Daddy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rhode Island iTrader: (2) Posts: 419 Rep Power: 17	Anybody know how to make stuff out of FRP? I have a few ideas for bumpers for my FB, but don't want to make them out of pure fiberglass. Anybody know how to make FRP?? __________________ Hell hath no fury like a rotor blown.

03-07-2008, 11:53 AM	#3
$100T2 Big Daddy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rhode Island iTrader: (2) Posts: 419 Rep Power: 17	Well I was planning on making a mold to make my pieces really nice anyway. I just want something with some give to it so it won't crack or split like fiberglass does. __________________ Hell hath no fury like a rotor blown.

03-08-2008, 10:28 AM	#4
fikren Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN iTrader: (7) Posts: 318 Rep Power: 17	to my knowledge its just a epoxy vinyl resin and fiberglass fibers rather than sheets with a heavier mix on the resin vs the fiberglass. The mix of the two varies depending on application and I think most peoples recipies (mix ratios)are not something they want published such as if you called up shine and said "hey whats your mix for your FRP" I doubt they would tell you. Or at least thats how I am percieving it. There is an great company called Fiberglast.com who are very helpful with chosing the right products. You might give them a call and see what they recomment. I know other places like USComposits are usually cheaper price wise but the couple of times I called them the people I talked to were really rude like they didn't have time to talk to me about their products. __________________ 93 bb rx7 Destined to be the never ending project car or possible part source for the rotary rat rod 2008 40th Anniversary Edition RX-8 - bankruptcy owned me RE-Amemiya Super Dolphin Tail Exhaust-for sale AutoExe Front and Rear Strut Bars-for sale AutoExe Member Brace Set-for sale 2008 Honda CBR600RR - bankruptcy owned me Motivation axle/fork/barend/frame sliders ASV "unbreakable" shorty levers Tripage Integrated Tailight and Adj FE Proton Fushmounts Akrapovic Hex Carbon/TI Slip On Sato Rearsets

03-08-2008, 10:31 AM	#5
fikren Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN iTrader: (7) Posts: 318 Rep Power: 17	there are also several methods of laying up fpr the common ones are hand laying, spraying the resin glass mix and then a closed mold where the mold is filled with glass and pressure injected with the resin. __________________ 93 bb rx7 Destined to be the never ending project car or possible part source for the rotary rat rod 2008 40th Anniversary Edition RX-8 - bankruptcy owned me RE-Amemiya Super Dolphin Tail Exhaust-for sale AutoExe Front and Rear Strut Bars-for sale AutoExe Member Brace Set-for sale 2008 Honda CBR600RR - bankruptcy owned me Motivation axle/fork/barend/frame sliders ASV "unbreakable" shorty levers Tripage Integrated Tailight and Adj FE Proton Fushmounts Akrapovic Hex Carbon/TI Slip On Sato Rearsets

03-09-2008, 10:09 AM	#7
fikren Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN iTrader: (7) Posts: 318 Rep Power: 17	think hes after FRP which is fairly bendable when cured. Has some give to it so a slight tweek in the frame or hitting something with it won't crack it all up like fiberglass or carbonfiber will when layed in sheets. Does the book mention anything on FRP such as resin to fiber stands mix ratio? May have to do just a trial and error kind of thing mix up a small ammount, let it cure see if it has what your looking for as far as strength vs flex. __________________ 93 bb rx7 Destined to be the never ending project car or possible part source for the rotary rat rod 2008 40th Anniversary Edition RX-8 - bankruptcy owned me RE-Amemiya Super Dolphin Tail Exhaust-for sale AutoExe Front and Rear Strut Bars-for sale AutoExe Member Brace Set-for sale 2008 Honda CBR600RR - bankruptcy owned me Motivation axle/fork/barend/frame sliders ASV "unbreakable" shorty levers Tripage Integrated Tailight and Adj FE Proton Fushmounts Akrapovic Hex Carbon/TI Slip On Sato Rearsets

03-09-2008, 10:00 AM	#6
warwickben sa rat rod Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tewksbury ma iTrader: (4) Posts: 408 Rep Power: 17	i have a book that deal's with this stuff. if you want to make the parts out of carbon fiber but dont mind havening to paint them it says you can hand lay them on a mold like you can with fiber glass. ask some questions and ill try to find the answers in the book.

03-09-2008, 10:11 AM	#8
fikren Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chattanooga, TN iTrader: (7) Posts: 318 Rep Power: 17	On a side note, you might pm jkl enginering here on the site, they may not give you an exact recipie but may be able to get you steered in the right direction. __________________ 93 bb rx7 Destined to be the never ending project car or possible part source for the rotary rat rod 2008 40th Anniversary Edition RX-8 - bankruptcy owned me RE-Amemiya Super Dolphin Tail Exhaust-for sale AutoExe Front and Rear Strut Bars-for sale AutoExe Member Brace Set-for sale 2008 Honda CBR600RR - bankruptcy owned me Motivation axle/fork/barend/frame sliders ASV "unbreakable" shorty levers Tripage Integrated Tailight and Adj FE Proton Fushmounts Akrapovic Hex Carbon/TI Slip On Sato Rearsets

03-09-2008, 10:42 AM	#9
warwickben sa rat rod Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tewksbury ma iTrader: (4) Posts: 408 Rep Power: 17	the book is made by hpbooks fiberglass and other composite materials. theres way to much info for me to retype. id be retyping the whole book. its a great read tho.

03-09-2008, 11:00 AM	#10
blwnrtr93 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AL iTrader: (1) Posts: 379 Rep Power: 17	I visited a local kit car company a couple years ago and got a tour of their facility. It looked like they were using just layered fiberglass sheets for their car bodys and panels. A combination of different weaves for strength. I think since you are making a mold that you'll be quite alright with just the fiberglass, although you may want to put some of the 3M clear tape over the part, once it's painted, to help reduce the chipping and cracking. +1 on trying out your resin mix in smatch batches before you go all out. I've been using the really small (2 oz I think Dixie cups) filled 3/4 the way up with resin and then adding 14 drops of hardener from the small tubes and it's worked out pretty well. I use this mix with the fiber mat as well as fleece material when making speaker enclosures.

03-09-2008, 11:31 AM	#11
warwickben sa rat rod Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tewksbury ma iTrader: (4) Posts: 408 Rep Power: 17	what do you plan on making.

03-11-2008, 03:59 PM	#13
warwickben sa rat rod Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tewksbury ma iTrader: (4) Posts: 408 Rep Power: 17	i feel dumb. i was thinking of making a bumber for my sa since no one makes a bumper for my car . i just need to make a parts that goes from fender to fender. my bro hit a rock and messed up the plastic grill and the 2 square panels.

03-12-2008, 02:37 AM	#14
blwnrtr93 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AL iTrader: (1) Posts: 379 Rep Power: 17	There was a write-up in either Superstreet or Import Tuner when the G35 first made it's appearance where WingsWest was making a custom front bumper for it. I've sinced trashed the rags and held on to my invaluable resource materials (SCC and Modified). __________________ 1993 BB RX-7 2005 Black Mazda 6i 1991 Primer Celica GT 1968 Camo Chevy P/U Garfinkle's Airpump Idler Pulley: Keep the stock contact patch on your water pump w/o running Airpump!

09-25-2008, 02:11 AM	#15
FIBREMAZ 13 BEEF Mazda Carbon FIbre Master Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia iTrader: (0) Posts: 64 Rep Power: 17	Pretty sure that FRP requires the use of injection moulding (can be expensive to set up)