Go Back   Rotary Car Club > Tech Discussion > Fabrication

Fabrication Show off the parts that you've built from scratch or highly modified


Welcome to Rotary Car Club.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-27-2011, 10:10 AM   #76
TitaniumTT
Test Whore - Admin
 
TitaniumTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Right Behind you son
iTrader: (4)
Posts: 4,581
Rep Power: 10
TitaniumTT will become famous soon enough
Default

I buy my TXL from Terminal Supply Co
I buy my Tefzel from ProWireUSE
I buy my 3 or 4 strand shielded Tefzel from Pacific Coast Avionics

I only use those heatshrink connectors on boats where they're required. Ither than that, they have a tendencyy to break the heatshrink making the connection pretty much useless.






__________________
-The Angry Stig-
DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC

DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!!

2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4
2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter
2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins
1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle
1988 'Vert - In progress
1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST!


I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you?
I'm pure Evil
I'm still insane, in the best possible way.
I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube.
Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion.
You win with your thread. Most everything
It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact

Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff....
No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon.
-Angry Motherf*cker Mode ENGAGED-
TitaniumTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2011, 02:53 PM   #77
Rotary Evolution
rotaryevolution.net
 
Rotary Evolution's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Las Vegas, NV
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 248
Rep Power: 14
Rotary Evolution is on a distinguished road
Default

my personal preference is threading back each wire 3/4" and twisting the junction straight into one another, use flux on the joint then heat it with a pencil torch and solder the connection. let it cool off then shrink wrap it with quality shrink wrap.

stock mazda wiring harnesses use sealant tape and crimp connectors, which eventually fail quite regularly in the eastern states causing many very difficult to trace intermittent electrical issues.
Rotary Evolution is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2011, 11:25 PM   #78
vex
RCC Loves Me Not You
 
vex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Influx.
iTrader: (6)
Posts: 2,113
Rep Power: 19
vex will become famous soon enough
Default

Look what I found:

http://www.deutschconnector.com/prod...onnectors.html
vex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2012, 09:18 PM   #79
blackedoutFC3S
The Newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0
blackedoutFC3S is on a distinguished road
Default

Back from the dead... anybody using the Blue Point crimp tool?

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

Not sure if there's really a difference from one to the other, just curious what people think?
blackedoutFC3S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2012, 02:51 AM   #80
I love pop-up lights
The Assistant
 
I love pop-up lights's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 29
Rep Power: 0
I love pop-up lights will become famous soon enough
Default

TTT looooooves soldering...
I love pop-up lights is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2012, 07:03 PM   #81
TitaniumTT
Test Whore - Admin
 
TitaniumTT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Right Behind you son
iTrader: (4)
Posts: 4,581
Rep Power: 10
TitaniumTT will become famous soon enough
Default

Soldering is for people who are too weak to squeeze crimpers
__________________
-The Angry Stig-
DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC

DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!!

2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4
2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter
2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins
1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle
1988 'Vert - In progress
1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST!


I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you?
I'm pure Evil
I'm still insane, in the best possible way.
I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube.
Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion.
You win with your thread. Most everything
It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact

Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff....
No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon.
-Angry Motherf*cker Mode ENGAGED-
TitaniumTT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2012, 08:19 PM   #82
Prodigy
Half bubble off plumb
 
Prodigy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: middle of Alberta
iTrader: (3)
Posts: 301
Rep Power: 15
Prodigy will become famous soon enough
Default

I like soldering cause

1 I think it kinda fun (hate all you want)

2 I almost always run out of the correct size of connectors/crimps etc...


So some of my wiring looks like hillbilly college drop out session... Good intentions, horrible execution....


Once I get more moo-lah I will be investing in an outrageous number of connectors, crimps etc....


J.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narfle View Post
The FD is like automotive heroin, You will either chase the dragon for the rest of your life, or find Jesus and swear them off forever
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitaniumTT View Post
There is no limit to my stubborness...... just ask any of my ex's

"The most respected cars in history are the ones which stick to their guns, do things differently and make no apologies for it."


360 gamertag: Tichlis
Prodigy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2012, 09:50 PM   #83
My5ABaby
Sigh.....
 
My5ABaby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
iTrader: (6)
Posts: 2,377
Rep Power: 19
My5ABaby will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TitaniumTT View Post
Soldering is for people who are too weak to squeeze crimpers
Quote:
Originally Posted by I love pop-up lights View Post
TTT looooooves soldering...

I think we all know TTT has incredibly strong hands and wrists so this must be false...
__________________
1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles

Community Service Manual

RotorWiki

"Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel

Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."
My5ABaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2012, 06:00 PM   #84
Rtrhead
Level
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 2
Rep Power: 0
Rtrhead is on a distinguished road
Default

I understand that there may be negative implications considering this one of my first posts here, however Ive had many discussions with engineers (both ME and EE), mechanics, installers and electricians regarding this subject trying ti find the answer myself.

In my experience, those who have pushed too hard in one direction on this topic have never been very experienced or have not appropriately utilized other methods according to application. that is not to say the previous poster are inexperienced or are not knowledgeable.however, to say that one method is better then the other, ignores the fact that electronic/ electric system harness and component design is Application specific.

For Example:
In the AC43.13-1b (FAA acceptable practices for repair and fabrication) I calls for the use of solderless connections as the exclusive method for harness design and repair. however it does state other factors necessary to relieve wire strain, limits of splices, and wire/ insulation strength and proper amperage yield.
Ease of repair and maintenance access is key to the decision to go crimped-only on repairs and inter component harnesses. However, if crimped was really superior, solder would not be on the circuit boards in the instruments and computer systems keeping the plane in the air.

It's also prevalent in the automotive OEM markets, however, upon the countless harnesses Ive dissected, soldered terminals, splices and other things are used throughout automotive history with solderless increasingly becoming the norm for cost-effective, modular solutions.

In other arenas, NASA and other firms like Barco use solder in specific applications in aerospace and aeronautical component and harness design as well as solderless crimping. Check out ISSI or Raychem

In Audio/ video applications (both hi-fi and automotive), many high quality firms such as monster, harmann kardon, DEI and others use soldering and crimping based on cable size, type, and quality level and recommend both methodologies specific to different applications. (ask any quality installer in mobile alarm or stereo and youll see both used in anything from stereos to high end alarms and automation)

As a Master MECP and an A&P I can say that both systems are useful and have no discernible drawbacks in signal quality, flexibility, durability, given they are executed IAW quality supplies and tools and are appropriate to the given application. there have been many studies to support this as well as my experiments with the old scope and meter.

There are many myths and stereotypes on both "sides" of the fence.
For solder, the problems with early circuit boards and communication systems in the 60's and 70's created huge problems until new solders were developed and eliminated this problem (thus the coming age of solid state tech in A/v . EFI, etc.)

For crimp terminals, user error and low cost/qualityproducts over many years has seemed to be the main problem and, speculatively, caused this entire "debate" as solder was the only suitable substitute and therefore deemed "better"

Solder, when properly applied, is extremely durable, has very effective properties.

The same can be said about solderless termination when applied right.


In closing, I feel that the more then qualified people here using a single methodology is more then justifiable given their experience, execution, and application.

However, pitting two time and results honored systems against each other is moot and affront to engineers everywhere. lol

just remember:

Its already been done. someone has data on it somewhere.
now have a beer, burn and crunch wire everywhere.


as for the photo of the crimp connector . later in that forum thread, an uncrimped butt connector filled with solder held just as much weight as the crimp if im not mistaken:

Last edited by Rtrhead; 04-22-2012 at 06:02 PM..
Rtrhead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2012, 10:26 AM   #85
My5ABaby
Sigh.....
 
My5ABaby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
iTrader: (6)
Posts: 2,377
Rep Power: 19
My5ABaby will become famous soon enough
Default

Good info. As I recall though in regards to the boat anchor, I think it was to disprove that crimped connections are weak more so than that they're stronger than soldered.
__________________
1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles

Community Service Manual

RotorWiki

"Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel

Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."
My5ABaby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 05:14 AM   #86
RETed
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii USA
iTrader: (1)
Posts: 1,813
Rep Power: 18
RETed will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rtrhead View Post
As a Master MECP and an A&P I can say that both systems are useful and have no discernible drawbacks in signal quality, flexibility, durability, given they are executed IAW quality supplies and tools and are appropriate to the given application. there have been many studies to support this as well as my experiments with the old scope and meter.
Maybe you can answer one of my questions...

I have never had good luck with trying to solder fine-stranded, "OFC" wire - usually speaker wire - for car audio use.
Any significant amount of heat will degrade to the OFC wire to the point where it starts to oxidize and turn green within a few days.
What's the point using this OFC wire if it's going to oxidize, right?
Do I need to sit there for hours with a 5-watt pencil iron just to solder this correctly?
Usually, I'm impatient about wiring the car up, so I don't like to waste time like that.
I end up crimping all OFC wire connections nowadays.


-Ted
__________________
reted_2000@yahoo.com
Technical Advisor
FC3S Pro
http://fc3spro.com/



Quote:
Originally Posted by TitaniumTT View Post
because you're only as good as your backup
RETed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 06:51 AM   #87
Madaz
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Madaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Burleigh Heads QLD Australia
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 16
Madaz is on a distinguished road
Default

In most cases crimping will suffice however when the voltage is low (under 24V) and/or when current is low (under 500mA) I would always recommend soldering.
__________________
~RX8 owners come and go but ol skoolers rotate 4 life~
Madaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2013, 10:23 AM   #88
Whizbang
Respecognize!
 
Whizbang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp
iTrader: (5)
Posts: 3,190
Rep Power: 20
Whizbang will become famous soon enough
Default

for the rally car, guys avoid solder like the plague. Vibrations are extreme. Small crimp connections with some shrink tube over top worked wonderfully for me. Or just run new wire all the way to pins at the connectors...
__________________
For current updates and event coverage check out
Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally
Whizbang Rally's Webpage | Facebook
Whizbang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2013, 05:13 AM   #89
PSI
The Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 18
Rep Power: 0
PSI is on a distinguished road
Default

Crimp every time! Years ago I would have said solder, until I wired a 20B into an aircraft and was educated in no uncertain terms by those in the aviation industry. This was reinforced recently when I had a road race engine come back due to a loss of all oil pressure - as it turned out the engine was perfect but the terminal soldered to the wire on the pressure sensor, and shared by the gauge/idiot light/ecu had become corroded from the flux and lost continuity half way through a race, after being soldered 2 years and many race meetings earlier! It was not the terminal itself, but the connection between the terminal and the wire. I guess the flux turned into an insulator over time. A decent pull on the terminal broke the wire clean off.
PSI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2013, 10:05 AM   #90
knonfs
Rotary Fan in Training
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
iTrader: (0)
Posts: 86
Rep Power: 17
knonfs is on a distinguished road
Default

What tool are you guys using to crimp butt connectors, and which butt connectors do you guys use?

I have a snap on crimping tool, but the locally available butt conectors are not solid, so when you crimp them, they then to get smashed flat, which makes for a FUGLY termination.
knonfs is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Hosted by www.GotPlacement.com
Ad Management by RedTyger