Drifting, hellaflush, slammed, tire stretch blog/bash thread.

[sofaking]

@Rotordad
Your argument is valid. If it's not your preference don't do it. I agree and I'm not saying it's the coolest or that anyone should do it. I'm just arguing with Vex about concepts of calling something a fact without proving it. EVERYTHING in this thread is speculation. Lots of facts have been stated, but none prove much. I haven't argued at all (not thinking it was directed at me but just commenting) about people needing to slam their cars or stretch their tires. I have my drift car highly modified that is slammed and stretched, but I have stock cars too. I understand the desire for a comfortable street car. Stretched tires aren't horrible on the street, but if your suspension is stiff they remove even more absorption.

@RETed
The 80psi argument sounds remarkably similar to the stretched tire argument. Though you appear to be backing the inflation out of spec, but not stretching out of spec. Just pointing out the similarities of the arguments, not trying to debate another one. I can see that you're also arguing for track purposes and not street driving. I also wouldn't be able to perform math to prove the air pressure thing either way. But I definitely see similarities between the arguments.

[RETed]

Originally Posted by sofaking

@RETed
The 80psi argument sounds remarkably similar to the stretched tire argument. Though you appear to be backing the inflation out of spec, but not stretching out of spec. Just pointing out the similarities of the arguments, not trying to debate another one. I can see that you're also arguing for track purposes and not street driving. I also wouldn't be able to perform math to prove the air pressure thing either way. But I definitely see similarities between the arguments.

Please keep me out of your bullshit replies.
Until you learn how to comprehend properly, keep me out of it.
I NEVER said hippari stretch doesn't work - even though you seem to insist I did.
I'm against drift fanbois who call tire engineers idiots and dumbasses cause they can't run hippari stretch while the tire engineers don't recommend it.

Get it fuckin' right already.


-Ted

[vex]

As I hit the post limit, here's the last point you raised:

Hopefully we can skip to that too.

Will you understand the science and math behind it?

[Mazdabater]

What your dealing with here is darwinism.

If these guys are willing jeopardize their contact point with the road, in which failure could lead to catastrophe at any speed over something that will help them slide if by the rare chance they ever attend a drift day or for the look of it, despite the advice of every tyre company/person that has a clue things will sort themselves out.

[vex]

Originally Posted by Mazdabater

What your dealing with here is darwinism.

If these guys are willing jeopardize their contact point with the road, in which failure could lead to catastrophe at any speed over something that will help them slide if by the rare chance they ever attend a drift day or for the look of it, despite the advice of every tyre company/person that has a clue things will sort themselves out.

Honestly my fear is that they'll sort themselves out into a family vehicle. Not only killing/injuring themselves but doing likewise to that family.

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't that how Guitar Junkie(I think that's his name... I had just joined right after that happened) died/was killed?

[mazpower]

Originally Posted by vex

Honestly my fear is that they'll sort themselves out into a family vehicle. Not only killing/injuring themselves but doing likewise to that family.

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't that how Guitar Junkie(I think that's his name... I had just joined right after that happened) died/was killed?

You are very mistaken Vex. Dave (GuitarJunkie28) died because he lost control driving down a mountain road that he had driven since his teens and knew very well. It was a 4 lane road with no divider between opposing lanes. Those who knew him knew that he was not a reckless person, it was just a tragic accident. Interestingly enough, one of his tires was flat and very well could have been from a nail stuck in the road, but CHP did not go with this theory, instead stating that he just lost control around a curve. I find this hard to believe considering he knew the road, he knew his car, he wasn't a careless speed demon, and it wasn't wet or icy out.

The young woman that he hit made a full recovery and she was the only person in her car. I remember seeing her family at Dave's funeral. Fine people for sure.

Anyways just wanted to clear that up.

[vex]

Originally Posted by mazpower

You are very mistaken Vex. Dave (GuitarJunkie28) died because he lost control driving down a mountain road that he had driven since his teens and knew very well. It was a 4 lane road with no divider between opposing lanes. Those who knew him knew that he was not a reckless person, it was just a tragic accident. Interestingly enough, one of his tires was flat and very well could have been from a nail stuck in the road, but CHP did not go with this theory, instead stating that he just lost control around a curve. I find this hard to believe considering he knew the road, he knew his car, he wasn't a careless speed demon, and it wasn't wet or icy out.

The young woman that he hit made a full recovery and she was the only person in her car. I remember seeing her family at Dave's funeral. Fine people for sure.

Anyways just wanted to clear that up.

I don't want to be misunderstood, I was under the impression someone else hit him. Thank you for setting the record straight.

[TitaniumTT]

I bought a lazer/infared/however it works temp thingy but in the old days it was the shoe polish or the chalk method. Luckily today we have lower profile tires so the pressures don't need to be nearly as high

[sofaking]

Also, if you'd like to give a physics lesson I'm interested. I've made my point and am fine moving on non-combatively. If you'd like to continue with your point on the forces on a tire please do, I might learn something. I do understand more than you think, and I'm happy to learn more. Having me draw the diagram for your point doesn't make as much sense over the internet as if we were sitting in the same room (so you could more easily correct anything inaccurate), so if you'd like a diagram it probably would make more sense for you to create it.

[vex]

Originally Posted by sofaking

Also, if you'd like to give a physics lesson I'm interested. I've made my point and am fine moving on non-combatively. If you'd like to continue with your point on the forces on a tire please do, I might learn something. I do understand more than you think, and I'm happy to learn more. Having me draw the diagram for your point doesn't make as much sense over the internet as if we were sitting in the same room (so you could more easily correct anything inaccurate), so if you'd like a diagram it probably would make more sense for you to create it.

The FBD is the basics of understanding an engineering problem. Being only concerned with 2 dimensions right now ensures that mistakes are easy to fix. Wiki has a decent article on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_body_diagram

[sofaking]

^that's terrible.

[speedjunkie]

I must say I LOATHE remixes, like when they say the same thing over and over again. I also hate when DJs mix a song on the radio, JUST LET ME HEAR THE FREAKIN SONG! lol

Therefore, I hate that video Brian. lol

[djmtsu]

This is so retarded. I love it.

As soon as some mad tyte Affliction 4 Loco retard in a 240 with stretched tires crashes into me, I will have my lawyer/insurance absolutely destroy them based on the fact that the tires are incorrectly sized.

Then, this conversation will be over.

[TitaniumTT]

As long as they didn't realize who it actually was, everything should be ok Should've had you lay some sack on my bumper while I was out there. Could've had Ty make a video called ball slapping turbo shooting sugargliders with RX7 turbo's and pissed off neighbors and recorded him doing the donuts in front of Kevins house and my block long burnout the time before the time I actually left

I miss Cali, should've just left my car out there

[mazpower]

Yeah dude, if we did that, your evil car would have probably cooperated.

You should have left it in Cali. You can always come back, I got 1500 square feet of workspace now. Also gonna be getting a used synchrowave, damn thing is water cooled, 100% duty cycle. Like Robert's mangina.