Diary of a Madman; TitaniumTT's see you @ DGRRXI RE-REbuild

[My5ABaby]

Nice list. My first comment regards the paint. Prep is far more important than the actual products use as LSPs. Getting your finish perfect counts is 90% of the look. The LSPs are the other 10%. Second, you're a workaholic aren't you?

[TitaniumTT]

LSP's?

I'm not a workaholic, I just don't require sleep and I like impossible deadlines that require 44.5hrs straight work only for the stories and bragging rights.

[Turbo II Rotor]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Scott, do you have you're setup running yet? I wanna hear these pumps of yours and see if it was the metal to metal mounting on mine or what.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Me neither, I owe you a ride Scott. When are you planning on driving down? I wanna get a bitching caravan this year again.

I have no idea when I'm going down. I'll be taking a nice long car drive with Nate out to PA tomorrow to look at an FC I think my be flooded so I'll have plenty of time to get our heads together for this year. You are leaving Thursday morning correct? You doing the cabin dealy again? Let me know if it's still possible to get in on that as I'd jump on it in an instant.

Car is not running but I fully expect to beast it out and drive it down to DGRR. I got way too caught up in saving all my earnings so I will have that 20% down payment for a house. Kinda reassessed my life a little bit prioritized my wants and needs. Just started grabbing up overtime at work since it's easy money and signed up for 2 college classes in micro and macro economics so that will cut into my car building time but I got 3 months and there should be no reason it for it not to be driveable by then.

My pumps will be double insulated with sheet rubber and soft mounted to the chassis which I'm hoping will quiet them down. I also built a way over kill surge tank that will probably end up in the hatch. Hopefully soon we'll see how loud these things purr.

[TitaniumTT]

As far as I know I'm heading down Thurs morning and MAY run the whole way down that night, depends on when Phil needs me @ the damn.

Good for yo picking up the OT and stashing some cash. That was pretty much me over the summer. Lemme know if you have any questions with the econ, I has a degree in that Person to talk to about the cabin in Tray. As far as I know he's reserved it and needs coin, which reminds me, I need to shoot him some cash.

I'm curious as to how loud those dual 044's will be. I just rechecked the specs on my Denso pump, it's supposed to be good for 260lph @ 58psi. Figure I'm in need of 4000cc injectors @ 90% (overkill) is 216 lph or 83%..... the pump should be more than enough, just gotta think about this whole intank surge tank. Looked at the 20gal Jegs cell and I think that might actually fit as well..... just invert a corner for the fill and vent tubes..... although with all the shit going on inside, it may be easier to build one from scratch... I gotta see some pics from Todd and do some measuring.... ugh, I gotta get my car stripped like now.

What are your preliminary plans for the trip down?

[Force13b]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

What are you running for wires, and plugs in the Trailing? What's your timing and A/F's @ while cruising and full load? Have you measured resistance on the wire? Dwell time?

The D580 is exactely what I have, except no chinese crap. Do they say Denso on them? Becuase I've seen Denso coils come out of a box not saying Denso on them, and there are a few co's out there making knock-offs and I KNOW they don't make the same spark.

MSD cut to fit wires. BUR9EQP. Crusing A/F are in the 13's at wot 10.5-11, here's a data log of my timing (street tune it's not going on a dyno tell i get my fuel system and meth in) I haven't check the wire reistance in the wires they are very well made the only thing i skimped on was the coils and it feels very much so like when a coil went out in my friends 1jz sc300.


I'll bet that's what it is, i did get them for 29$ per coil



I'm having some boost issues hence the on and off throtle

[My5ABaby]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

LSP's?

I'm not a workaholic, I just don't require sleep and I like impossible deadlines that require 44.5hrs straight work only for the stories and bragging rights.

Last Step Products. Basically sealants, waxes, and glazes.

[helghast7]

i think i may try out the yukon ls2 coils if time permits, it seems that the majority of the rx8 guys are going with them and have had no problems so far, though there ignition system is a little different i dont see why they wouldnt work

well see how things go in the coming months....well weeks i guess

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by Force13b

MSD cut to fit wires. BUR9EQP. Crusing A/F are in the 13's at wot 10.5-11, here's a data log of my timing (street tune it's not going on a dyno tell i get my fuel system and meth in) I haven't check the wire reistance in the wires they are very well made the only thing i skimped on was the coils and it feels very much so like when a coil went out in my friends 1jz sc300.


I'll bet that's what it is, i did get them for 29$ per coil

Do you have a few pics of them by chance? Do they have a heatsink on them? The L are a way rich for me. I started getting MUCH better response way less fouling the closer I got to 11.7 or .8L.

One BIG thing about the LSx coils is that they LOVE good clean "power" As in they need to see 13.5+ volts. I've heard this from alot of different people.

I would check the resistance of the wire, and what's the dwell time? Timing looks pretty spot on, mine doesn't go that far advcanced under cruise though

I did a few more hours of research last night when i couldn't sleep. Found a few more dyno sheets on LS1tech of guys that did back to back dyno runs of D580 vs D585 coils and alot of them picked up considerable gains.

Again though, all the LSX guys say run and hide from the MSD coils. They may not be adjusting the dwell though and I doubt they have the equipment to test them and are adjusting the dwell properly. From what I read last night from people actually testing the LSX coils, dwell above 5ms doesn't gain you anything. The D580 coils like to be dwelled for at least 3-4 ms, and the D585 coils can be dwelled less, and produce more energy.

I bet you got some knockoff junk. There are a few companies building replacement coils, and the replacements never perform as well as the OEM Denso's. I'm willing to bet you got a knockoff. All the D585 coils I see, Denso's, are selling for $64-$70.... soo you may have a knockoff that's just not pumping out the current. The way I see it, the plugs will foul as a result of the tuning. Nothing to do with the coil. However, more voltage from a better coil will acr a fouled plug.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

Last Step Products. Basically sealants, waxes, and glazes.

Ah, gotcha, for last years DGRR I didn't even have time for those LSP's I stopped at one of those drivethrough do-it-yourself car washes a few miles out.

Originally Posted by helghast7

i think i may try out the yukon ls2 coils if time permits, it seems that the majority of the rx8 guys are going with them and have had no problems so far, though there ignition system is a little different i dont see why they wouldnt work

well see how things go in the coming months....well weeks i guess

The RX8 guys also for the most part aren't boosted either and they have MUCH cleaner L to work with than us boosted 13B guys.

When I first started this PJ YEARS ago I was given conflicting information. One engineer said go with the RX8 coils and forget the D580 coils as he's had nothing but problems, the other said rock the D580's, he's made some CRAZY hp numbers with them. Now thier both saying D585's Still waiting to hear back on the difference between the D510c and the D585. Neither are plug and play from what I've seen, I would need to swap out the connector at the coil on the harness, and build new wires. So it looks like I'll be making 4 little harness adapters that I can plug into the harness and run to the D580 coils for the dyno test.... aight, I gotta get some work done to the rig today, the list keeps getting longer and the time shorter.... this is bad.

[Force13b]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Do you have a few pics of them by chance? Do they have a heatsink on them? The L are a way rich for me. I started getting MUCH better response way less fouling the closer I got to 11.7 or .8L.

One BIG thing about the LSx coils is that they LOVE good clean "power" As in they need to see 13.5+ volts. I've heard this from alot of different people.

I would check the resistance of the wire, and what's the dwell time? Timing looks pretty spot on, mine doesn't go that far advcanced under cruise though

I did a few more hours of research last night when i couldn't sleep. Found a few more dyno sheets on LS1tech of guys that did back to back dyno runs of D580 vs D585 coils and alot of them picked up considerable gains.

Again though, all the LSX guys say run and hide from the MSD coils. They may not be adjusting the dwell though and I doubt they have the equipment to test them and are adjusting the dwell properly. From what I read last night from people actually testing the LSX coils, dwell above 5ms doesn't gain you anything. The D580 coils like to be dwelled for at least 3-4 ms, and the D585 coils can be dwelled less, and produce more energy.

I bet you got some knockoff junk. There are a few companies building replacement coils, and the replacements never perform as well as the OEM Denso's. I'm willing to bet you got a knockoff. All the D585 coils I see, Denso's, are selling for $64-$70.... soo you may have a knockoff that's just not pumping out the current. The way I see it, the plugs will foul as a result of the tuning. Nothing to do with the coil. However, more voltage from a better coil will acr a fouled plug.

Yeah it was a basic street tune since i had a fuel system on order when we put the haltech in the car. I'll be working on getting my 850's and 1600's in this weekend and working on getting my 5gallone fuel cell in and running my lines for meth.

Yeah i checked the coils last night they say denso but the logo doesn't look the same as the one i was comparing it to on the internet. thank you ebay whatever we'll see how the new coil setup works.

I got to say brian i love your threads always very informative. I'm excited to see some of the creations you come up with for the FD, give me ideas to spend more money.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by Force13b

Yeah it was a basic street tune since i had a fuel system on order when we put the haltech in the car. I'll be working on getting my 850's and 1600's in this weekend and working on getting my 5gallone fuel cell in and running my lines for meth.

Yeah i checked the coils last night they say denso but the logo doesn't look the same as the one i was comparing it to on the internet. thank you ebay whatever we'll see how the new coil setup works.

I got to say brian i love your threads always very informative. I'm excited to see some of the creations you come up with for the FD, give me ideas to spend more money.

Gotcha Tyler.... I would be leary of the MSD coils. I would go so far as to call them to see what they rec for dwell times and never go beyond that. I would even back off the dwell wherever you can just to prolong the life of them.

Thanks for the compliments Tyler. Whatever I come up with for the FD is going to be jigged so that it can be duplicated. Just about every brace you can imagine, plus I'm sure a bunch of other custom goodies.

[helghast7]

oh btw, a company does it for the rx8, my friend just bought it and we installed them, they pretty much just add a stubby jumper wire from the coil to the harness

and hell no i would never go with the rx8 coils, everyone ive talked to said they replace coils like every 15k or less, that rediculous when you consider my FC has 200k miles on it and i still have the factory coils running strong

besides that, bangkok with the red turbo rx8 is rocking the yukon coils and i believe hes loving them, its certainly worth trying out im my opinion, after deals ill probably experiment with them...to much on my plate right now

[TitaniumTT]

Bangkok's was running clean that day, nice idle etc etc.... We'll see, still waiting to hear back from my MoTeC guru about whether I should go with the D510C's or the D585's. You won't have to worry about experimenting after the Gap, I'll have dyno results to prove which coils the better to go with. It's just mounting and wiring them sexy is the key.

BTW - was trudging through the Auto-x clubs pics and came across these

[WE3RX7]

Good pics! Nobody at our autox seems to get good shots... including me! My first race is next weekend already, time flies.....

[helghast7]

damn lol, is there anything you wont test? lol

have to start calling you the chosen one lol

here to save us from all our stereo typical rotary problems

first coils, then well never blow an engine again!