Not Starting, not flooded (maybe)

RotaryBC · 07-11-2016, 06:22 PM

No, still no start

Pressed, gas peddle and clutch peddle

Stare at this tomorrow.

Fendamonky · 07-12-2016, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RotaryBC

Was that a drive by thread jacking?

It's fairly typical on the interwebs, I'd say it was merely a minor side conversation though. Now... if the thread suddenly changed and we all started posting up pictures comparing My Little Pony erotic fan art... THEN I'd say you suffered from a thread derailment

RotaryBC · 07-12-2016, 07:22 AM

Just being funny

The not turning over issue, I think it is the throttle body not being on the car. Coolant runs thru the throttle body, I can see if the TB is not present, then do not start.

***TitaniumTT*** · 07-12-2016, 08:15 AM

Dude, WTF is going on here. You're trying to find out whether or not the engine is blown right? Do a compression test and put the thing to bed once and for all.

Are you seriously trying to start it w/o a throttle body?

RotaryBC · 07-12-2016, 08:21 AM

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Are you seriously trying to start it w/o a throttle body?

No, I'm trying to turn over the engine.

The starter is not engaging, thus not turning over.

Fendamonky · 07-12-2016, 08:52 AM

I think he's more wondering why you're trying to crank the engine at all without the throttle body installed.

***TitaniumTT*** · 07-12-2016, 09:03 AM

Cranking w/o the TB is fine, trying to start it, not so much though.

I'm wondering if the EGI fuse helps power the starter.

Is it not engaging or just not spinning, not doing anything at all?

RotaryBC · 07-12-2016, 09:11 AM

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Put the #2 plugs back in, pull th TB off, pull the EGI fuse and crank the engine over and LISTEN very carefully

I did what he said?
The fuse is marked IG on mine, I did find what I think is a relay that is marked EGI.
I pulled the TB and the fuse marked IG, put compression tester in Top #1 plug hole, spark plug in lower #1 plug hole, I put plugs in #2.
Connected battery
depressed clutch peddle
depressed accelerator peddle
Turned the key

Nothing, no click, nothing

***TitaniumTT*** · 07-12-2016, 09:20 AM

The relay and starting circuit are different on the 8 than the other models. Pulling the IG fuse may prevent power from going to the solenoid.
You MAY have to pull the CAS plug and reinstall the EGI fuse.

Dannobre · 07-12-2016, 04:49 PM

The oil in the air filter can be from from the oil fill..the oil can run run down the breather tube into the air filter. Looking at your pictures though it looks like it has been blowing oil out into the intake...usually that is a poor compression issue

You should clean your MAF..it is likely flooded with the oil from the intake

The front seal can leak...but another common place for the RX-8 to leak is from the oil metering pump area. Oil on top of the engine is often a leaking o-ring where the oil fill tube and the iron meet. The nuts there seem to get loose easily and leak

If they are the original coils then replace them...and the wires and plugs. They are a well known weak point on the Renesis

The easiest way to try and start it is to pull it... Check the spark with a spark tester or an inductive timing light if it won't start.

Pull the ES sensor plug to do the compression test...it is easier than anything else

Another thing to try is reset the Eccentric shaft profile...it's the key on...pump the brakes 20+ times quickly until the oil guage sweeps. The ES sensor controls the ignition and injection ...so it is always a good thing to reset if you don't know whats been done to the car

With that kind of mileage , unless you got a unicorn...it likely has low compression and needs a rebuild

Edit...sorry for the repeat for some reason I just read the first page ;(

RotaryBC · 07-12-2016, 06:53 PM

Compression Test:
#1 = 50psi
#2 = didn't do

RotaryBC · 07-12-2016, 07:47 PM

What do we do with this thread, just let it die?

I'm taking the car to a frame shop to check it out. If the frame is straight or can be straightened I will attempt the engine swap.

Until the frame shop!

RotaryBC · 08-16-2016, 10:48 AM

It starts and runs
Saturday I did the de-flooding procedures, it started and smoked, I keep it running until the smoke subsided.
Drove it a short distance on the road, shut it off, restarted it, shut it off for the day.
Sunday, I tried to start it, it would not start, started the de-flooding procedure again, forgot to press the gas petal before turning the key, it starter right up.

Could this mean the engine is a good rebuild candidate?

I've read the rebuilders web sites, they read, that most engines are too damaged to be rebuilt.

JL1RX7 · 08-16-2016, 11:37 AM

Kevin Landers of Rotary Resurrection in Morristown Tennessee. He is the home of the budget rebuilds. Quality work with no bull shit. Until the keg is cracked open no real way of knowing the true condition of it.

***TitaniumTT*** · 08-17-2016, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotaryBC

It starts and runs
Saturday I did the de-flooding procedures, it started and smoked, I keep it running until the smoke subsided.
Drove it a short distance on the road, shut it off, restarted it, shut it off for the day.
Sunday, I tried to start it, it would not start, started the de-flooding procedure again, forgot to press the gas petal before turning the key, it starter right up.

Could this mean the engine is a good rebuild candidate?

I've read the rebuilders web sites, they read, that most engines are too damaged to be rebuilt.

The donor for FrankenB had all the same problems. Everything internal was immaculate save the housings had the typical wear caused by the assist piece. Built my Treffeisen Special Renni and it did 207rwhp

07-11-2016, 06:22 PM	#31
RotaryBC The Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Troy, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	No, still no start Pressed, gas peddle and clutch peddle Stare at this tomorrow. __________________ 2005 RX-8 Shinka 171 2005 RX-8 Shinka 1137

07-12-2016, 07:22 AM	#33
RotaryBC The Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Troy, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Just being funny The not turning over issue, I think it is the throttle body not being on the car. Coolant runs thru the throttle body, I can see if the TB is not present, then do not start. __________________ 2005 RX-8 Shinka 171 2005 RX-8 Shinka 1137

07-12-2016, 08:15 AM	#34
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Dude, WTF is going on here. You're trying to find out whether or not the engine is blown right? Do a compression test and put the thing to bed once and for all. Are you seriously trying to start it w/o a throttle body? __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

07-12-2016, 09:03 AM	#37
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Cranking w/o the TB is fine, trying to start it, not so much though. I'm wondering if the EGI fuse helps power the starter. Is it not engaging or just not spinning, not doing anything at all? __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

07-12-2016, 09:20 AM	#39
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	The relay and starting circuit are different on the 8 than the other models. Pulling the IG fuse may prevent power from going to the solenoid. You MAY have to pull the CAS plug and reinstall the EGI fuse. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

07-12-2016, 04:49 PM	#40
Dannobre Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Oct 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 87 Rep Power: 17	The oil in the air filter can be from from the oil fill..the oil can run run down the breather tube into the air filter. Looking at your pictures though it looks like it has been blowing oil out into the intake...usually that is a poor compression issue You should clean your MAF..it is likely flooded with the oil from the intake The front seal can leak...but another common place for the RX-8 to leak is from the oil metering pump area. Oil on top of the engine is often a leaking o-ring where the oil fill tube and the iron meet. The nuts there seem to get loose easily and leak If they are the original coils then replace them...and the wires and plugs. They are a well known weak point on the Renesis The easiest way to try and start it is to pull it... Check the spark with a spark tester or an inductive timing light if it won't start. Pull the ES sensor plug to do the compression test...it is easier than anything else Another thing to try is reset the Eccentric shaft profile...it's the key on...pump the brakes 20+ times quickly until the oil guage sweeps. The ES sensor controls the ignition and injection ...so it is always a good thing to reset if you don't know whats been done to the car With that kind of mileage , unless you got a unicorn...it likely has low compression and needs a rebuild Edit...sorry for the repeat for some reason I just read the first page ;( Last edited by Dannobre; 07-12-2016 at 05:01 PM..

07-12-2016, 06:53 PM	#41
RotaryBC The Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Troy, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	Compression Test: #1 = 50psi #2 = didn't do __________________ 2005 RX-8 Shinka 171 2005 RX-8 Shinka 1137

07-12-2016, 07:47 PM	#42
RotaryBC The Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Troy, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	What do we do with this thread, just let it die? I'm taking the car to a frame shop to check it out. If the frame is straight or can be straightened I will attempt the engine swap. Until the frame shop! __________________ 2005 RX-8 Shinka 171 2005 RX-8 Shinka 1137 Last edited by RotaryBC; 07-13-2016 at 07:40 PM..

08-16-2016, 10:48 AM	#43
RotaryBC The Newbie Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Troy, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	It starts and runs Saturday I did the de-flooding procedures, it started and smoked, I keep it running until the smoke subsided. Drove it a short distance on the road, shut it off, restarted it, shut it off for the day. Sunday, I tried to start it, it would not start, started the de-flooding procedure again, forgot to press the gas petal before turning the key, it starter right up. Could this mean the engine is a good rebuild candidate? I've read the rebuilders web sites, they read, that most engines are too damaged to be rebuilt. __________________ 2005 RX-8 Shinka 171 2005 RX-8 Shinka 1137

08-16-2016, 11:37 AM	#44
JL1RX7 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Front Royal, VA iTrader: (1) Posts: 487 Rep Power: 17	Kevin Landers of Rotary Resurrection in Morristown Tennessee. He is the home of the budget rebuilds. Quality work with no bull shit. Until the keg is cracked open no real way of knowing the true condition of it.