Crimping vs. Soldering

ledgebmx · 01-08-2011, 07:27 PM

Why not do both? We crimp and then solder the connections at our shop because the EMS is very sensitive to resistance. If you crimp for strength and solder for reliability, you get the best of both worlds.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-08-2011, 07:31 PM

Soldering creates resistance and can introduce corrosion which can lead to even more resistance. Just crimp them and walk away

So where do we want this? Rotary Tech? Fabrication? ECU products?

rxspeed7 · 01-08-2011, 07:39 PM

Plus another thing with soldering connections is that, if you do not clean the flux off when you are done over time that flux can cause many issues with conductivity and integrity of the connection.

Sry for not posting pics yet, i got lazy today. lol.

ZAck.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-08-2011, 07:49 PM

You're gonna get banned Zach. Just saying. Unless of course your car makes it to DGRR.

rxspeed7 · 01-08-2011, 07:51 PM

I've really been thinking about making the trip. Do you have a link to all the info on the 5 W's and how?

But ok,ok, here's a shot of the connectors themselves. The two small ones are 12pin 16awg connectors, one is for the cas wiring and coils, and the other small one is for the injectors. The bigger one is a 21pin 16awg connector that will be used for all sensors(including all the greddy sensors and a few other things i'm running through) when i finally get the harness out i'll post more.

Zack.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-08-2011, 08:59 PM

Why not build an entirely new engine harness?

I would've made an entirely seperate and new harness for the engine, including injectors/CAS. Then used the heavier gauge ones for the power coming off the internal fuse block going through the firewall and all the other headlight/turn signal, washer, horn's everything else in the front of the car and hidden it behind the fender. Hiding it behind the fender with those connectors will be tough though

vex · 01-09-2011, 01:09 AM

Did I do bad for just ordering a single plug for passing everything through?

rxspeed7 · 01-09-2011, 01:26 AM

I was looking at the body harness today actually. I couldn't help but think how big and ugly it was. I really wanna slim it donw and hide it. I prob will end up moving it into to te fender. It really only is used for the accessories(lights,markers, turn signals). I'm not using the stock coils nor the wiring for them so it's just taken up space.

Zack.

NoDOHC · 01-10-2011, 07:50 PM

Another big issue with soldering is that it makes the wire less flexible for a section (where it wicks up) this will cause a stress concentration and fatigue failure at the edge of the solder for any wire that vibrates (like all of them in the engine bay). Crimp is better.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-10-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7

I was looking at the body harness today actually. I couldn't help but think how big and ugly it was. I really wanna slim it donw and hide it. I prob will end up moving it into to te fender. It really only is used for the accessories(lights,markers, turn signals). I'm not using the stock coils nor the wiring for them so it's just taken up space.

Zack.

Believe it or not, there's not as much to come out of that harness as you may think. And if you're like me, you put some in. I added Efan relay, fogs, 2 relays for the lights and a horn relay just becuase of how I have everything wired up. The 2 sets of 3-wire 20ga tefzel for the speed sensors.

The AAS can come out as well as a few other things from the engine bay. Tucking it under the fender is a MFPITA!

vex · 01-10-2011, 10:31 PM

Don't get me wrong everything has it's place. Soldering can make seamless connections between wires, though as has already been mentioned they can become sources of failure. The best application of connective products is their appropriate location. For permanent connections with minimal movement a good solder joint is hard to beat. For locations where movement is expected crimps will be the best bet. Additionally one need be keenly aware that there are different types of solder and they're engineered for specific applications with different flexibility, heat, and electrical conductance.

calicrewchief · 01-29-2011, 09:54 PM

This is from my Haltech E6X harness. I bought it brand new.

My5ABaby · 01-30-2011, 10:20 PM

Wait, the harness was brand new? As in you didn't make that mess, a "professional" did?

calicrewchief · 01-30-2011, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

Wait, the harness was brand new? As in you didn't make that mess, a "professional" did?

That's correct.

***TitaniumTT*** · 01-30-2011, 11:01 PM

And people wonder why Halteck harnessi suck and many have reported trigger issues, weak injectors etc etc etc. That's embarassing

01-08-2011, 07:31 PM	#32
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Soldering creates resistance and can introduce corrosion which can lead to even more resistance. Just crimp them and walk away So where do we want this? Rotary Tech? Fabrication? ECU products? __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

01-08-2011, 07:49 PM	#34
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	You're gonna get banned Zach. Just saying. Unless of course your car makes it to DGRR. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

01-08-2011, 08:59 PM	#36
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Why not build an entirely new engine harness? I would've made an entirely seperate and new harness for the engine, including injectors/CAS. Then used the heavier gauge ones for the power coming off the internal fuse block going through the firewall and all the other headlight/turn signal, washer, horn's everything else in the front of the car and hidden it behind the fender. Hiding it behind the fender with those connectors will be tough though __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

01-09-2011, 01:09 AM	#37
vex RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Influx. iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 19	Did I do bad for just ordering a single plug for passing everything through? __________________ The Official FC Radiator Thread My Project Thread: Cerberus CCVT Virginia Rotary Group

01-10-2011, 07:50 PM	#39
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	Another big issue with soldering is that it makes the wire less flexible for a section (where it wicks up) this will cause a stress concentration and fatigue failure at the edge of the solder for any wire that vibrates (like all of them in the engine bay). Crimp is better. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

01-08-2011, 07:27 PM	#31
ledgebmx The Newbie Join Date: Nov 2010 iTrader: (0) Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Why not do both? We crimp and then solder the connections at our shop because the EMS is very sensitive to resistance. If you crimp for strength and solder for reliability, you get the best of both worlds.

01-10-2011, 10:31 PM	#41
vex RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Influx. iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 19	Don't get me wrong everything has it's place. Soldering can make seamless connections between wires, though as has already been mentioned they can become sources of failure. The best application of connective products is their appropriate location. For permanent connections with minimal movement a good solder joint is hard to beat. For locations where movement is expected crimps will be the best bet. Additionally one need be keenly aware that there are different types of solder and they're engineered for specific applications with different flexibility, heat, and electrical conductance. __________________ The Official FC Radiator Thread My Project Thread: Cerberus CCVT Virginia Rotary Group

01-29-2011, 09:54 PM	#42
calicrewchief Rotary Tuner in Training Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Beaverton, OR iTrader: (0) Posts: 69 Rep Power: 16	This is from my Haltech E6X harness. I bought it brand new.

01-30-2011, 10:20 PM	#43
My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (6) Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 19	Wait, the harness was brand new? As in you didn't make that mess, a "professional" did? __________________ 1986 Sport: 132k miles, 5A (Sapphire Blue Metallic), Tokico Blues, Racing Beat Springs, Custom LED tailights (only S4 LED tails in the world), SSR Mark II, Racing Beat exhaust, S5 black interior, Rotary Resurrection rebuild at 120k miles Community Service Manual RotorWiki "Imagination costs nothing; we could build square locomotives or fly to Mars" - Felix Wankel Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the "present."

01-30-2011, 11:01 PM	#45
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	And people wonder why Halteck harnessi suck and many have reported trigger issues, weak injectors etc etc etc. That's embarassing __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**