13B Power @ 1 bar absolute pressure, to see what you might have if you MAN UP!

Barry Bordes · 02-04-2014, 06:52 PM

"What I was asking for the system you use is if you could hold steady state at 7800rpm and average out a hundred cycles I'd be interested to see the 'mean' pressure to take out cycle to cycle variations. Is that possible the way you test? "

The tests are run like your Vbox runs.
Real world flow to the radiator, intercooler and air box. Air drag to the car... you know on the "test track".
But I can't hold load at 7800 rpm. That is passed in a microsecond.

Here is IMEP 4500 to 8000rpm (early testing with 12 psi).
If you can make out the poor screen-shot below you will see which buttons are activated.
In this case the blue HP/MEP/T /RPM button is slected then the IMEP is expanded, plus the green Cycles button, and Select Data.

The other screen shot above has Combustion selected so it runs every cycle like a movie.
That is just one frame. I would have to do a YouTube video to show you the whole run.

But yes there is a great deal of deviation cycle to cycle. Reversion problems I would guess mostly.... a good cycle pollutes the 2nd following cycle.

RICE RACING · 02-04-2014, 08:20 PM

[QUOTE=Barry Bordes;274898]"What I was asking for the system you use is if you could hold steady state at 7800rpm and average out a hundred cycles I'd be interested to see the 'mean' pressure to take out cycle to cycle variations. Is that possible the way you test? "

The tests are run like your Vbox runs.
Real world flow to the radiator, intercooler and air box. Air drag to the car... you know on the "test track".
But I can't hold load at 7800 rpm. That is passed in a microsecond.

Here is IMEP 4500 to 8000rpm (early testing with 12 psi).
If you can make out the poor screen-shot below you will see which buttons are activated.
In this case the blue HP/MEP/T /RPM button is slected then the IMEP is expanded, plus the green Cycles button, and Select Data.

The other screen shot above has Combustion selected so it runs every cycle like a movie.
That is just one frame. I would have to do a YouTube video to show you the whole run.

But yes there is a great deal of deviation cycle to cycle. Reversion problems I would guess mostly.... a good cycle pollutes the 2nd following cycle.

I'll have a look at that in more detail.

On the 'holding load' its pretty easy to do in 3rd gear or even 2nd gear as you wont have any more than 350rwkw of power and your braking system can do even on road tires -750kw (and hold -500kw lap after lap, even with fade) 3rd gear just makes it easier to pick the rpm you want. I can send you pics of a RS FD3S at a local track showing the power of the braking system

Little tip for you, try it

RICE RACING · 02-18-2014, 12:46 PM

hello..........
Barry did you get to the bottom of how your vendor works out 'bhp' from only an indicated power calculated method?????

RICE RACING · 09-06-2014, 06:54 PM

Bazz any updates????

Barry Bordes · 09-14-2014, 04:45 PM

Peter what kind of dyno would you like me to put my car on?
Barry

RICE RACING · 09-14-2014, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Bordes

Peter what kind of dyno would you like me to put my car on?
Barry

Anything that takes into account friction power would be nice and then we can compare it to the ones on this list (which are from various dyno types). Let us know how you get on mate.

RICE RACING · 11-02-2014, 12:31 AM

I have my own personal list of this that is about 5 times longer and has many more interesting examples covering everything you can imagine, this you just wont find anywhere else

Doing some development work in the not too distant future which will yield some more 'first hand' quality information, may give a little teaser up here if I get excited

Barry did you test your car yet? would like to validate your results.

RICE RACING · 11-02-2014, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Bordes

Peter what kind of dyno would you like me to put my car on?
Barry

Dynapack is best to use, make sure TCF is set to 1.00 so I can see the raw result at the hubs.

Do a pull, log the boost too if you can.

***TitaniumTT*** · 11-02-2014, 11:10 AM

I'll actually be able to get this data in about a week, albeit low boost (1B) and on a dynojet, but logs logs logs out the ass for three different sets of coils... FIGHT THE CDI REVOLUTION!

RICE RACING · 11-18-2014, 08:15 PM

Some BIG development here, we are talking BIG! paradigm shift indeed LOL......

Got allot of set ups now around and ABOVE 300bhp per 1 bar

Go the ROTARY ENGINE, and these ones are doing over 800bhp engine power

and petrol WI too

list is gag factor in detail, bit too much to share on pubic forum though haha

***TitaniumTT*** · 11-18-2014, 10:08 PM

Yeah, I was a the dyno a few days ago but the fucker took a shit... I got ZERO data

For now anyway

RICE RACING · 02-10-2015, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Yeah, I was a the dyno a few days ago but the fucker took a shit... I got ZERO data

For now anyway

Shit happens man, just post a few BDC haltech E6K screen dumps and talk endlessly about it for about 50 posts in a row.... seemed to work for him and HC LOL!!! R.I.P.

This list I have is 'extensive' much bigger and detailed than ones I have sent out to selected people

really great measure to cut through all of the BS that surrounds the hype around most peoples claims and some real eye openers too

RICE RACING · 04-14-2015, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

Anything that takes into account friction power would be nice and then we can compare it to the ones on this list (which are from various dyno types). Let us know how you get on mate.

How long does it take Barry?

Still waiting for power output of your engine!
I posted the above after your offer to test your engine/car, and NO updates, NO performance figures, SO how do we validate your claims/results.????

RICE RACING · 06-11-2015, 10:18 PM

Is anyone still under the total delusion that a bridge ported engine makes more power than a street port in turbo form??????

chibikougan · 06-11-2015, 10:43 PM

I am sure someone somewhere...

02-04-2014, 06:52 PM	#31
Barry Bordes Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Slidell, LA iTrader: (0) Posts: 191 Rep Power: 17	"What I was asking for the system you use is if you could hold steady state at 7800rpm and average out a hundred cycles I'd be interested to see the 'mean' pressure to take out cycle to cycle variations. Is that possible the way you test? " The tests are run like your Vbox runs. Real world flow to the radiator, intercooler and air box. Air drag to the car... you know on the "test track". But I can't hold load at 7800 rpm. That is passed in a microsecond. Here is IMEP 4500 to 8000rpm (early testing with 12 psi). If you can make out the poor screen-shot below you will see which buttons are activated. In this case the blue HP/MEP/T /RPM button is slected then the IMEP is expanded, plus the green Cycles button, and Select Data. The other screen shot above has Combustion selected so it runs every cycle like a movie. That is just one frame. I would have to do a YouTube video to show you the whole run. But yes there is a great deal of deviation cycle to cycle. Reversion problems I would guess mostly.... a good cycle pollutes the 2nd following cycle. Last edited by Barry Bordes; 08-28-2015 at 11:02 AM..

02-04-2014, 08:20 PM	#32
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	[QUOTE=Barry Bordes;274898]"What I was asking for the system you use is if you could hold steady state at 7800rpm and average out a hundred cycles I'd be interested to see the 'mean' pressure to take out cycle to cycle variations. Is that possible the way you test? " The tests are run like your Vbox runs. Real world flow to the radiator, intercooler and air box. Air drag to the car... you know on the "test track". But I can't hold load at 7800 rpm. That is passed in a microsecond. Here is IMEP 4500 to 8000rpm (early testing with 12 psi). If you can make out the poor screen-shot below you will see which buttons are activated. In this case the blue HP/MEP/T /RPM button is slected then the IMEP is expanded, plus the green Cycles button, and Select Data. The other screen shot above has Combustion selected so it runs every cycle like a movie. That is just one frame. I would have to do a YouTube video to show you the whole run. But yes there is a great deal of deviation cycle to cycle. Reversion problems I would guess mostly.... a good cycle pollutes the 2nd following cycle. I'll have a look at that in more detail. On the 'holding load' its pretty easy to do in 3rd gear or even 2nd gear as you wont have any more than 350rwkw of power and your braking system can do even on road tires -750kw (and hold -500kw lap after lap, even with fade) 3rd gear just makes it easier to pick the rpm you want. I can send you pics of a RS FD3S at a local track showing the power of the braking system Little tip for you, try it Last edited by Barry Bordes; 08-28-2015 at 11:03 AM..

02-18-2014, 12:46 PM	#33
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	hello.......... Barry did you get to the bottom of how your vendor works out 'bhp' from only an indicated power calculated method????? __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration Last edited by RICE RACING; 02-20-2014 at 04:39 PM..

09-06-2014, 06:54 PM	#34
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Bazz any updates???? __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

09-14-2014, 04:45 PM	#35
Barry Bordes Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Slidell, LA iTrader: (0) Posts: 191 Rep Power: 17	Peter what kind of dyno would you like me to put my car on? Barry __________________ GOD the Incomprehensible Obvious (www.frksj.org)

11-02-2014, 12:31 AM	#37
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	I have my own personal list of this that is about 5 times longer and has many more interesting examples covering everything you can imagine, this you just wont find anywhere else Doing some development work in the not too distant future which will yield some more 'first hand' quality information, may give a little teaser up here if I get excited Barry did you test your car yet? would like to validate your results. __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

11-02-2014, 11:10 AM	#39
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	I'll actually be able to get this data in about a week, albeit low boost (1B) and on a dynojet, but logs logs logs out the ass for three different sets of coils... FIGHT THE CDI REVOLUTION! __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

11-18-2014, 08:15 PM	#40
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Some BIG development here, we are talking BIG! paradigm shift indeed LOL...... Got allot of set ups now around and ABOVE 300bhp per 1 bar Go the ROTARY ENGINE, and these ones are doing over 800bhp engine power and petrol WI too list is gag factor in detail, bit too much to share on pubic forum though haha __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration

11-18-2014, 10:08 PM	#41
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Yeah, I was a the dyno a few days ago but the fucker took a shit... I got ZERO data For now anyway __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

06-11-2015, 10:18 PM	#44
RICE RACING Don Mega Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Utopia iTrader: (0) Posts: 1,688 Rep Power: 17	Is anyone still under the total delusion that a bridge ported engine makes more power than a street port in turbo form?????? __________________ www.riceracing.com.au Worlds best Apex Seals Coil on Plug Water Injection ECU Calibration