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Old 12-27-2011, 09:48 AM   #31
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Clean the sucker up and get it in a vise. I'm not going to drill into my beautiful stainless steel bench to mount a vise. Vises work best, but if you don't have one, clamp it down somehow

I started by removing the outer tie rods and counting the turns on the way out, then labeling them with a sharpie. This was of course before I knew that both inners were toast. I'll save the outers as back-ups and transplant the inner/outter combo from the good rack that I have that will stay power as I don't feel like spending ~$150 on new inner tie rods.

To remove the inner tie rod ends use whatever means available. I didn't have a thin enough wrench. Usually I'm one to go buy a tool and modify it but it was late and almost time for cocktails and we had company coming over. I used a plumbers monkey wrench instead. Hey, at that point I knew they were garbage although they would've been reusable.

HINT: What you may think is an allen set screw or a roll pin isn't. Just turn on the inner tie rods and it will pop out. You WILL damamge ONE thread in doing this but it will be repairable. I guess Mazda's thinking was if you're removing the tie rod it's garbage anyway so why save the thread.

Incidentally. I went to align my car before DGRR, and counting the rotations and measuring everything put my car damn near perfect alignment even after everything, and I mean EVERYTHING including the front subframe was removed at least once.

Now, starting here, remove in the following order





1) Large Lock nut (not shown)
2) Yoke Plug (center)
3) Spring
4) Rack Support

These are the pieces as they come out of the rack. Left to right following the order above

XXX



Moving onto the bottom of the rack remove the Pinion Plug and the locknut. The plug is on the bench and the locknut is still in there under that nasty 20something y.o. grease





Then head over to the top of the rack and start by gently prying loose the dust cap






To expose a lock-ring

XXX



A gentle tap at the bottom where the threads are will reveal this engineering masterpiece.





Left to right we have a pair of seals, a bunch of seals, a bearing and again.... a seal...

I hate seals. They are the enemy to all who seek smooth de-powered powersteering racks. They were my enemy. They all fell before me.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:51 AM   #32
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Moving over to the passenger side we'll find the Rack Stopper. This is neat the way they have this retained. I used a piece of 1/8" aluminum stock I had kicking around to rotate the stopper to reveal the catch pin



XXX


With a pick you can angle it up ever so slightly and continue to rotate

XXX



Until the whole thing comes out like so







Then the stopper will basically fall out when the rack is pushed out.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:54 AM   #33
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Basically every thing that we have removed so far exposing all the enemy seals save one that is still buried in the rack.






This is the real seal that we are after. The other two are bonuses.







With this seal out of the way, and all the fluid removed and replaced with some synthetic grease, there will be virtually no back-pressure, no binding, no sloshing etc etc. It will basically be a fast ratio Manual rack which is exactely what I'm after.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:56 AM   #34
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Now onto the "quill" or the control valve assembly. You can see in this picture that we need to get that myriad of seals off starting with the bearing. I suppose you could just bust out the cutoff wheel and throw bits of fiber and metal into the bearing, but I have a different approach. Seeing as how many of us don't have presses and bearing seperators at our disposal, I found that with that same 1/8 aluminum stock you can place it where the arrow is pointing

XXX



Grab onto the oil seals real tight and give the end a few taps to move the bearing slightly towards the rear displaying a REAL PITA lock spring. By moving this spring out of the groove and allowing it to follow the bearing, you can now press the valve/seal assembly to the bearing like so


XXX


A few more taps and the bearing along with the lock ring and the valve/seal assembly just falls out. You can see the arrow is pointing to the stupid little lock spring


XXX



And finally all the pieces removed. The red arrows are pointing to the lock spring and the grove on the control valve assembly where the f'er rode.

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Old 12-27-2011, 10:01 AM   #35
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Now it's time for some welding. The control valve assembly will disengage & rotate slightly to allow fluid to flow. This of course translate to the steering wheel as a few degrees (I've been told ~5*) of pure SLOP. Meaning that you have to rotate the steering wheel 5* for the quill to open and get to it's mechanical limit before the rack will begin to move in or out. I hate slop in racks as much as I hate seals. Time to fix. This pic shows where the break is







So lets weld it up. Even if the weld breaks which I don't think it will, the piece itself will just revert back to its original design. A little ole' MIG welding and viola. Some people will say to TIG it but I don't think it's necessary.






Since I had the MIG out and some copper piping laying around I decided to cut off the connections & plug the holes on the rack since they won't be used again. I know, I'm an OCD ass and this step is totally optional but I kinda like it. PLUS I was planning on painting the damn thing anyway. Either way, you need to plug the lines so that dirt and debris can't get in, and your grease can't get out.







This may be overboard.... nah.... but I can't use the, "Since I had the MIG out excuse," I'll just admit to going overboard, I busted out the TIG and welded up the other holes on the rack,






than sanded everything smooth and painted.


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Leave me alone, I'm OCD and I don't have a problem
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:06 AM   #36
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So, remember this picture? Now it's time to go after the main seal.







I took the cut off wheel and cut in two places 180* opposite each other and whacked it with a hammer.

DONE

That was main thing to be done.... Yes, that is the big difference between my dfe-powered racks and looping the lines, or plugging them. That seal makes all the difference in the world.

Now with everything ready to be re-assembled, lets look at a few things. On the rack bushing (bottom left 2 blue circles) there are two seals. The one o-ring seal that is visible and an oil seal that is not. Since we are no longer trying to contain all the pressure of a power steering system and only trying to keep some grease in the rack, I took that seal out and removed the spring to allow the rack to slide easier.*

The O-ring you should leave as it will keep the bushing in place. When re-assembling it though, be sure to press the Rack stopper in VERY hard as the end of the rack has two steps and the o-ring needs to compress.

The center blue circles show the other oil seal and the bushing. Same as above I popped the seal out and removed the spring relieveing some of the friction.* The circle on the rack shows where those two seals are located. I used a socket and a bunch of extensions to seal it in place. Worked aight

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Old 12-27-2011, 10:12 AM   #37
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Lube up your shaft real well

XXX



Grease up the quill

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Meh, maybe a little much






Put the keeper in place





& after that my hands got REALLY greasy and decided not to touch the camera again. The rest is really the reverse of removal, check the FSM for torque specs and so on.... and enjoy.

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Now onto the "quill" or the control valve assembly. You can see in this picture that we need to get that myriad of seals off starting with the bearing. I suppose you could just bust out the cutoff wheel and throw bits of fiber and metal into the bearing, but I have a different approach. Seeing as how many of us don't have presses and bearing seperators at our disposal, I found that with that same 1/8 aluminum stock you can place it where the arrow is pointing

XXX



Grab onto the oil seals real tight and give the end a few taps to move the bearing slightly towards the rear displaying a REAL PITA lock spring. By moving this spring out of the groove and allowing it to follow the bearing, you can now press the valve/seal assembly to the bearing like so


XXX


A few more taps and the bearing along with the lock ring and the valve/seal assembly just falls out. You can see the arrow is pointing to the stupid little lock spring


XXX



possible to get these pics???
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Old 01-28-2013, 10:11 AM   #39
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Sorry to bump this (and reply to a sticky) again, but since the pictures depicting the process of removing the seals from the "quill" are among the few to not be reposted is there any way to get a more detailed description of the process? I've got my steering rack completely disassembled and am at this process now.
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trying to do this and i got the stopper metal piece out but the stopper itself will not come out. just spins, but no way it wants to come out... wtf bbq?
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turns out a piece of that wire broke off inside there (maybe 2mm worth) had to switch to the next rack i had laying around.... lame!
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:49 AM   #42
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Here is another tutorial in PDF format with all of the photos:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/l4lymb..._Rack_FD3S.pdf

I made that way back when I wanted to make sure I would have this tutorial when I was ready to do this myself.

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I de-powered my rack yesterday. Here are a few pics (CLICK picture for large size):







New tie-rod ends from J-Auto.net:











All back together (still waiting on the boots to come from J-Auto.net though:

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Maybe this was answered and I missed it, but the fittings that were removed. I assume they are just cut off and the holes welded shut? I'm having a hard time getting the hardlines out at those points and would really like to simply cut them off, or break the off. Breaking them off probably would make me feel better, but also probably isn't the best course of action.



Also how do I get the outer tie rods to break free? Put a wrench on both the locking nut and tie rod and turn them opposite directions? I tried this after soaking them in PB Blaster with no luck. I was going to heat then up, but I was out of gas for my little torch.
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^ Cut them off. I cut them off on a band saw in a matter of seconds, then welded the holes.
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^^ that's what i did. Cut, welded, grind smooth
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