Headunit and 3 gauge center dash mod

[speedjunkie]

I love making things like this. I did something similar but the FD doesn't have a whole lot of room to play with. I just remade a prior plastic piece though. I might have to do this with my TII, if I ever build it lol. This is awesome.

[JustJeff]

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2

Resurrecting an old thread... As I said before, Jeff's writeup inspired me to try this gauge mounting setup in my FC. 7 months later I finally had the time to do it! Previously I had my gauges in the empty DIN slot under the radio. Basically followed Jeff's general plan for flip-flopping them, by reusing the stock radio mount brackets and some hefty sheet metal I recycled from an old computer case to fabricate the panel. Started with some cardboard to make a template, and played with that till I was happy with the test fit. Then went to work recreating the template in metal. After some work with the jigsaw, hole saw and a bit of metal bending later, I got the gauge panel you see here.

Here's a picture of the panel, mounted with stock brackets, my JVC head unit & gauges test fit:

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Lucky for me, the front threaded holes on my HU that lined up perfectly with holes already in the stock bracket, and they put the thing at just the right depth when test fit in the car, so I didn't have to resort to making slotted holes as Jeff did for the in & out adjustment. Just drilled a 2nd hole in each bracket (to get 2 screws per side for strength) that line up with another existing threaded hole in the head unit. Here's a pic that shows the screws:

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And here's how it looks test fit in the car, without the console surround piece:

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And now with the surround piece:

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If the gauges look crooked, it's because I didn't bother to line them up perfectly and fully tighten the U-clamps on the back. I made the holes a wee bit oversize to provide a bit of adjustability. Now I just need to finish it, because I don't like the shiny metal look. Either going to paint it satin black to match the interior, or I might cover it with some black vinyl I have leftover from another project (DIY hatch cargo cover) that is a perfect match for my leather interior.

I like your's, great work.

I'm thinking of re-relocating my gauge. I'd loose my oil temp gauge and put my boost, water temp and oil pressure all on the a-pillar. I have one single pod and one double pod for the a-pillar. Reason being, I'm giving serious thought to building a carputer. I"ve been building computers for a long time and have enough spare parts to build a serviceable carputer. I've got a motherboard, CPU, RAM and spare hard drives. The only real expenses would be getting a 7" touch lcd monitor and building an enclosure.

The only other obstacle is wanting a solid state hard drive. My concern is that a traditional hard drive is going to fail from shock and vibration. I have Illuminas and Tein springs and I just don't see a non-SSD having much of a lifespan. I'd buy a small SSD and only keep OS and bare minimum software. All my entertainment would be on USB flash drives.

My idea is to put the enclosure in the trunk with a push button control in the glovebox for my power supply. I can also run a usb port from the glove box.

Well one other thing to consider is that I have a convertible and the LCD monitor is NOT going to like direct sunlight during the top-down warm weather. It may be so washed out from the glare that it will be barely useable. I may have to spring for one of the expensive LCD designed for outdoor use.

[infernosg]

Originally Posted by djmtsu

Looks familiar......


I had one of the DIN/Gauge mounts that 1FasT2 built. He only made about 50, so it was rare. I sold it to a guy on here actually, and FerociousP has one too.

It was a little different though. It mounted to the stock headunit's 4 screws, and then the stereo mounted to it.

Originally Posted by infernosg

That would be me

I'm actually in the process of playing with its install now. I'm curious how you guys are supporting the radio from behind. I purchased the car with an afternarket radio already installed but from what I could tell it wasn't anchored to anything.

Finally got it installed shortly before the holidays. The color is a little off but it looks good enough for me.

[speedjunkie]

That looks good! I'll definitely be keeping this in mind. Makes me want to get to work on mine haha.

[Raksj04]

I would show you guys what I did but it isnt very good. All I have is a Dremel I really need a drill with a hole bit. I how ever have the radio on top and my car is a S4

[Pete_89T2]

Originally Posted by JustJeff

I like your's, great work.

Thanks, since the last post I finished it off with a satin black paint that has a very fine sand-like texture to it. Matches my S5 center console texture & color well; will have to shoot a picture later to show it off. I tried covering the panel with the black fake leather as I mentioned, but that effort was a failure. The 3M spray adhesive I used didn't give a reliable enough "stick" along the narrow edges by the radio - vinyl kept curling up along the edges. So I had to strip it all off, then prep & paint.

Originally Posted by JustJeff

I'm thinking of re-relocating my gauge. I'd loose my oil temp gauge and put my boost, water temp and oil pressure all on the a-pillar. I have one single pod and one double pod for the a-pillar. Reason being, I'm giving serious thought to building a carputer. I"ve been building computers for a long time and have enough spare parts to build a serviceable carputer. I've got a motherboard, CPU, RAM and spare hard drives. The only real expenses would be getting a 7" touch lcd monitor and building an enclosure.

Due to the motor-mouse belts, you can only get 1 gauge on the A-pillar of the S5 coupes; that's where I have my boost/vac gauge. Might be able to fit 2 gauges, but it would be tight. 'Vert owners catch a break here.

Originally Posted by JustJeff

The only other obstacle is wanting a solid state hard drive. My concern is that a traditional hard drive is going to fail from shock and vibration. I have Illuminas and Tein springs and I just don't see a non-SSD having much of a lifespan. I'd buy a small SSD and only keep OS and bare minimum software. All my entertainment would be on USB flash drives.

With proper shock/vibration isolation mounts, you shouldn't have any reliability issues with a regular hard drive in a car. 27+ years engineering experience with the DoD/Army has convinced me that even the most fragile of gadgets can be made to operate reliably in combat vehicles for a very long time with a well designed mount. Look in the boneyards for late-model luxury cars (MB/Lexus/Infinity, etc) that have built in hard-disk based nav & entertainment systems - you might get lucky and find shock mounts that can be re-purposed. Another source could be junked cop cars, as many now have shock/vibe mount plates attached to the dash/center console for laptops and all the other electronic crap cop cruisers carry these days.

Originally Posted by JustJeff

My idea is to put the enclosure in the trunk with a push button control in the glovebox for my power supply. I can also run a usb port from the glove box.

USB cable length may become an issue here, presuming the motherboard/USB hub is in the trunk. USB spec calls out a max. cable length, something like 6 feet. Beyond that, and there's no guarantee that whatever you connect to it will work - some USB devices will, others won't.

Originally Posted by JustJeff

Well one other thing to consider is that I have a convertible and the LCD monitor is NOT going to like direct sunlight during the top-down warm weather. It may be so washed out from the glare that it will be barely useable. I may have to spring for one of the expensive LCD designed for outdoor use.

Yup, that and polarized sunglasses will make just about any affordable monitor hard to read.

[JustJeff]

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2

With proper shock/vibration isolation mounts, you shouldn't have any reliability issues with a regular hard drive in a car. 27+ years engineering experience with the DoD/Army has convinced me that even the most fragile of gadgets can be made to operate reliably in combat vehicles for a very long time with a well designed mount. Look in the boneyards for late-model luxury cars (MB/Lexus/Infinity, etc) that have built in hard-disk based nav & entertainment systems - you might get lucky and find shock mounts that can be re-purposed. Another source could be junked cop cars, as many now have shock/vibe mount plates attached to the dash/center console for laptops and all the other electronic crap cop cruisers carry these days.

Yeah, I've thought about vibration dampening. I was thinking of finding some rubber stand offs from random electronics, but I like your idea of finding some OEM parts.

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2

USB cable length may become an issue here, presuming the motherboard/USB hub is in the trunk. USB spec calls out a max. cable length, something like 6 feet. Beyond that, and there's no guarantee that whatever you connect to it will work - some USB devices will, others won't.

I've been thinking about the same thing with the USB cable length. Two options might be a powered USB hub or simply get a 32GB flash drive and keep it attached to the carputer and in the trunk. With something that large I wouldn't need to swap flash drives, I'd simply have to take it in to my desktop to update it.

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2

Yup, that and polarized sunglasses will make just about any affordable monitor hard to read.

Excellent point, I didn't even think about polarized sunglasses. Between the convertible and biking, nice sunglasses are a must. The cheapest I saw 7" touch LCD designed for outdoor use was $400. But I work for an IT company that does a lot of repair work. We have two techs making a killing repairing iPhones, smartphones, tablets and laptops. Maybe Fate will smile on me and I"ll find a broken touch LCD in need of repairs?

[Pete_89T2]

Decided to mess with the gauges above the radio again. With the gauges flat in the panel at that location, I found it was still difficult to see the entire gauge face and read it at a glance. Always wanted to figure out a way to point them slightly upwards and towards the driver's sightline. Then I had a clever idea to re-purpose some plastic bits that came with my gauges. In my case, the Prosport gauges I have all came with these plastic sunshields. If you slip the gauge into the rings backwards, I figured the part could be modified to make an angle mount. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about:



And now the original piece, next to a modified one that gets me a good viewing angle. I determined the angle by trial & error test fitting - and the angle that worked for me may not work for all drivers. I'm 6'0" and sit with the seat all the way back; a shorter guy who sits closer to the wheel will need more angle to get a good sightline. Anyway, the angle is subtle, and just enough to point the gauge face toward the driver. To repeat that angle for 2 more gauges, I made up a wood jig to replicate the angle and used it with a miter box & hacksaw to make the cuts on the other 2 rings.



Since space is limited, you need to glue the right-most ring to the panel first, and then the center ring needs a bit of shaping so it "steps over" the ring to the right. Do the same thing with the left ring, letting it step over the center one. Don't worry if the cuts/grinding are not perfect, the gauge rim will likely cover the gaps, or you can fill with bondo & paint. You'll probably want to paint it anyway, which is what I did. Here's the setup ready for installation in the car.



And here it is completed, right from driver's point of view. Note that you can clearly see the entire gauge face at a glance

[speedjunkie]

That's pretty badass man. Nice work.

[Raksj04]

Nice now only if some was able to make a group buy out of this.

[JustJeff]

Awesome work Pete!!

I definitely like that and had been trying to figure out how to angle mine. Can I see a picture from the side of your bracket. Looks like you have all 3 warning/Premium gauges. Only one of mine is the shallower warning gauge. I wouldn't be able to angle my Performance gauges because they are deeper and the far right one wouldn't have room because of the bracket. I suppose I could put the warning to the far right so that it can be angled.

I'm actually thinking of replacing my Prosports, so angling might have to wait till they are replaced...if I go with a different brand. Of my 3 gauges only my oil temp gauge is working. My water temp gauge and premium oil pressure gauge do not read from the senders. They illuminate fine but do not register any readings.

My water temp gauge was working at one time and now during opening ceremony it pegs at around 160 and never goes lower...even during opening ceremony. The water temp sender works fine. If I plug my oil temp gauge into the water temp sensor it reads just fine. The oil pressure gauge I bought new from a forum member. It was new when I got it. It illuminates fine, but never reads anything but zero. The oil pressure could be my bad on wiring, but I've double checked it and everything seems correct.

I may get some STRI or AEM rather than replace the Prosports with more Prosports.

[Pete_89T2]

Originally Posted by JustJeff

Awesome work Pete!!

I definitely like that and had been trying to figure out how to angle mine. Can I see a picture from the side of your bracket. Looks like you have all 3 warning/Premium gauges. Only one of mine is the shallower warning gauge. I wouldn't be able to angle my Performance gauges because they are deeper and the far right one wouldn't have room because of the bracket. I suppose I could put the warning to the far right so that it can be angled.

I'm actually thinking of replacing my Prosports, so angling might have to wait till they are replaced...if I go with a different brand. Of my 3 gauges only my oil temp gauge is working. My water temp gauge and premium oil pressure gauge do not read from the senders. They illuminate fine but do not register any readings.

My water temp gauge was working at one time and now during opening ceremony it pegs at around 160 and never goes lower...even during opening ceremony. The water temp sender works fine. If I plug my oil temp gauge into the water temp sensor it reads just fine. The oil pressure gauge I bought new from a forum member. It was new when I got it. It illuminates fine, but never reads anything but zero. The oil pressure could be my bad on wiring, but I've double checked it and everything seems correct.

I may get some STRI or AEM rather than replace the Prosports with more Prosports.

Thanks! Those are the only pictures I took before installing it back in the center console, so the additional side views may have to wait. These are the basic Prosport "Performance series", oil pressure, water & oil temp gauges that don't have the peak/hold warning features. If your gauges are significantly deeper, the bracket sides behind the panel will limit how much you can angle them. The good thing is that it doesn't take much of an angle to make them readable - presuming you don't sit too close to the wheel.

Sounds like your water temp gauge may have a fried stepper movement since you tested both the wiring & sender by substituting in the oil temp gauge. I'd check w/Prosport to see if they will cover it. The OP gauge sounds like either a wiring issue or a bad sender.

[JustJeff]

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2

Thanks! Those are the only pictures I took before installing it back in the center console, so the additional side views may have to wait. These are the basic Prosport "Performance series", oil pressure, water & oil temp gauges that don't have the peak/hold warning features. If your gauges are significantly deeper, the bracket sides behind the panel will limit how much you can angle them. The good thing is that it doesn't take much of an angle to make them readable - presuming you don't sit too close to the wheel.

Sounds like your water temp gauge may have a fried stepper movement since you tested both the wiring & sender by substituting in the oil temp gauge. I'd check w/Prosport to see if they will cover it. The OP gauge sounds like either a wiring issue or a bad sender.

My temp gauges must be older version. They are much deeper than yours. My Premium/warning Prosport pressure gauge is short like yours. I doubt that Prosport will cover them because I bought them all from forum members. The temp gauges were used and the pressure gauge was new but not purchased from a vendor.