New 20b NA Headers by Defined Autoworks

project86 · 03-10-2011, 10:12 PM

i hate you.. i think im gonna wait till i move Brian and get my car up there so you and KDR can hook me up.. even if i have to sell my soul

gmonsen · 03-16-2011, 01:33 PM

Project86... I deserve the hate...

There is still really no good update here, except that the new motor has about 12 dyno miles on it and we have done runs first with the old setup and then with the new plenum. That showed a 28 whp gain at peak power over the same run done immediately beforehand with the old setup. Again, these are runs done on a newly rebuilt motor and the seals have not bedded in yet. So, the absolute numbers are not valid, but the differences are. I hope that's clearly said? Here's a quick video of the motor with the new plenum, but not the new headers. Sounds pretty good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQQxOqYyug

The NEW HEADERS ARE INSTALLED and we are going to run it again this afternoon and see what difference the new headers make. Logan thinks 20 ft pounds, which would be awesome. I will post up something tonight or tomorrow.

Gordon

project86 · 03-16-2011, 04:56 PM

haha Gordon that hate was directed at Brian. But damn! That sounds amazing.. I must and WILL HAVE!!!!!!

chibikougan · 03-16-2011, 06:10 PM

Nice..Penis=Rigid

That is all.

gmonsen · 03-17-2011, 08:26 PM

chibikougan... Walking around with one for months now.

They still haven't gotten it back on the dyno, but its scheduled for tomorrow afternoon.

Gordon

project86 · 03-18-2011, 08:29 AM

What are you running for apex seals and injectors?? if you dont mind me asking

and also... im gonna need one of those uim when i do my 20B build haha.

diabolical1 · 03-18-2011, 07:25 PM

a 28 hp increase over stock? Gordon, my hat goes off to you and your fabricator-guy. that is awesome. how did the torque curves compare?

i can only imagine when the motor is fully broken in and the seals are bedded. do you plan to take the Defined header back off just to compare bedded versus non-bedded, or will you simply compare the differences with the Defined header?

Quote:

Originally Posted by project86

What are you running for apex seals and injectors?? if you dont mind me asking

and also... im gonna need one of those uim when i do my 20B build haha.

not to speak out of turn, but i believe he's running a single set of Injector Dynamics 1000s (i.e. no secondaries). i have no idea what apex seals though.

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-18-2011, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabolical1

a 28 hp increase over stock? Gordon, my hat goes off to you and your fabricator-guy. that is awesome. how did the torque curves compare?

i can only imagine when the motor is fully broken in and the seals are bedded. do you plan to take the Defined header back off just to compare bedded versus non-bedded, or will you simply compare the differences with the Defined header?

not to speak out of turn, but i believe he's running a single set of Injector Dynamics 1000s (i.e. no secondaries). i have no idea what apex seals though.

Set of ID 1000's, and the idle L are rock solid, no wandering... I love those injectors so much.

and it's not a torque curve so much as a torque plateau. Carries all the way, I was impressed when I saw it.

project86 · 03-19-2011, 11:05 AM

so hes only running 3 injectors then? geez maybe i should think about doing it that way... i dunno... convince me.

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-19-2011, 11:53 AM

There is no better injector than ID. You can't go wrong. Tuning would be easier, no staging to woory about. Simpler installation, one fuel rail..... why double your chance of leaksl injectors failing etc etc? ID or nothing for me from now on

project86 · 03-19-2011, 06:57 PM

im convinced. also... i love you?

gmonsen · 03-21-2011, 02:02 AM

Cheeesh... You guys need to get a room. I'm not doing more runs taking things on or off until after Deals Gap. I love the Injector Dynamics injectors. (Paul Yaw/Yawpower) I can't remember if I made the main point, which is that instead of a single pinhole squirting fuel, that single point branches into 6, like the ribs of an open umbrella, so for X amount of fuel coming out, that is divided by 6 at the chamber and so it atomizes way more efficiently. And Brian is right, the single injectors, whether 1000, 1600 or 2000cc are far easier to tune and my moto has been to go fir simplicity of everything about the motor.

I hope to have something to add tomorrow.

Gordon

project86 · 03-21-2011, 11:43 PM

^^this is helpful

helghast7 · 03-23-2011, 08:07 PM

yea i need to pick me up some ID's when i redo my fuel setup, but ill worry about that when i get there

gmonsen · 03-24-2011, 04:31 PM

I'll tell you, they make a difference. Very easy to tune.

Gordon

03-10-2011, 10:12 PM	#16
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03-16-2011, 01:33 PM	#17
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	Project86... I deserve the hate... There is still really no good update here, except that the new motor has about 12 dyno miles on it and we have done runs first with the old setup and then with the new plenum. That showed a 28 whp gain at peak power over the same run done immediately beforehand with the old setup. Again, these are runs done on a newly rebuilt motor and the seals have not bedded in yet. So, the absolute numbers are not valid, but the differences are. I hope that's clearly said? Here's a quick video of the motor with the new plenum, but not the new headers. Sounds pretty good to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQQxOqYyug The NEW HEADERS ARE INSTALLED and we are going to run it again this afternoon and see what difference the new headers make. Logan thinks 20 ft pounds, which would be awesome. I will post up something tonight or tomorrow. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

03-16-2011, 04:56 PM	#18
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	haha Gordon that hate was directed at Brian. But damn! That sounds amazing.. I must and WILL HAVE!!!!!! __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

03-17-2011, 08:26 PM	#20
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	chibikougan... Walking around with one for months now. They still haven't gotten it back on the dyno, but its scheduled for tomorrow afternoon. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

03-18-2011, 08:29 AM	#21
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	What are you running for apex seals and injectors?? if you dont mind me asking and also... im gonna need one of those uim when i do my 20B build haha. __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure" Last edited by project86; 03-18-2011 at 02:10 PM..

03-19-2011, 11:05 AM	#24
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	so hes only running 3 injectors then? geez maybe i should think about doing it that way... i dunno... convince me. __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

03-19-2011, 11:53 AM	#25
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project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	im convinced. also... i love you? __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

03-21-2011, 02:02 AM	#27
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	Cheeesh... You guys need to get a room. I'm not doing more runs taking things on or off until after Deals Gap. I love the Injector Dynamics injectors. (Paul Yaw/Yawpower) I can't remember if I made the main point, which is that instead of a single pinhole squirting fuel, that single point branches into 6, like the ribs of an open umbrella, so for X amount of fuel coming out, that is divided by 6 at the chamber and so it atomizes way more efficiently. And Brian is right, the single injectors, whether 1000, 1600 or 2000cc are far easier to tune and my moto has been to go fir simplicity of everything about the motor. I hope to have something to add tomorrow. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

03-21-2011, 11:43 PM	#28
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	^^this is helpful __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

03-23-2011, 08:07 PM	#29
helghast7 F yo couch! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Belleville, NJ iTrader: (0) Posts: 223 Rep Power: 15	yea i need to pick me up some ID's when i redo my fuel setup, but ill worry about that when i get there __________________ 87' n/a FC 94' FD-360whp, 300lbs-tq at 14psi on twins 92' ZZR-600 sold 07' CBR600RR more to come

03-24-2011, 04:31 PM	#30
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	I'll tell you, they make a difference. Very easy to tune. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II