Copper water seals? - Page 2

sickofpistons · 03-03-2010, 10:53 PM

Would you have to have the motor dowled, and would you have clearance issues with them. (IF THERE WAS SUCH A THING)

sickofpistons · 03-03-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sickofpistons

Would you have to have the motor dowled, and would you have clearance issues with them. (IF THERE WAS SUCH A THING)

With the seals from pineapple racing?

proz07 · 03-03-2010, 11:02 PM

We use something similar in jet engines turbine bearing sections they are ONE time use metal crush gaskets. They take literaly 30-45 min to torque down correctly not a big deal BUT I believe they would be a horrible application for this as the rotor housings can flex ever so slightly on higher hp/rpm applications. This alone will cause this type of hard seal to fail in short order i do believe. They are made of stainless steel as well fyi, look just like an o-ring just metal.
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sickofpistons · 03-03-2010, 11:04 PM

This is what pineappleracing offers.

Detailed Description
This is our exclusive Heavy Duty Water Seal kit for the 3-rotor 20B. We tested these seals for over 7 years in numerous street and track cars before offering them to our customers. They have proven to be a significant upgrade over the stock water seals. We use them in all our 5-year warranty motors. Also, these seals are re-usable if you need to reopen the motor to freshen it, as long as the mileage is not too high or the engine too overheated. In other words, if you make a mistake and blow up your engine or perhaps improperly clearance the seals or whatever, these seals can be removed, allowed to "rest" for about 30 minutes and be reused when you put the engine back together. Stock water seals must be disposed of when freshening an engine, even with just a couple heat cycles. Kit includes the water jacket o-rings, front cover o-ring (and backup washer, if needed), dowel o-rings, rear stationary gear o-ring and oil pedistal o-rings.

I really just wanted to know if there where such a thing as copper seals, and if they where any kind of an upgrade.

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-05-2010, 03:58 AM

I think you're right about ruining a housing Tyler.
I'm willing to bet the reason noone has really dealt with the solid off the self seals is that they're not continuous. There's going to be a back where one end begins/ends. To me that's a big risk for a leak. The right way to do it would be to make a casting based on a housing, and form a piece. But that's me. Frankly I don't think any thing more than stock is really needed in this case, unless there's extreme forces, or someone want to experiment, or someone is really cheap

vex · 03-05-2010, 10:05 AM

You could by-pass discontinuous seals by just cutting them out of a solid sheet, then sanding and grinding to specific tolerance. You'd still have to finish the seal even if casting it. But I don't think you could cast a seal--too small, and the metal too viscus.

My5ABaby · 03-07-2010, 12:52 PM

I love this forum.

vex · 03-07-2010, 03:55 PM

Oh... Where is it...

12arotary · 03-07-2010, 09:47 PM

and here I liked this forum because everyone used to stay on topic and not just exchange insults

vex · 03-07-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12arotary

and here I liked this forum because everyone used to stay on topic and not just exchange insults

Give it some time--I'm sure it will get cleaned up mod style.

13bboy · 03-07-2010, 11:24 PM

haha funny shit

12arotary · 03-08-2010, 01:23 PM

^^^well 18 gauge plastic covered speaker wire is in one of my 12a's and working great, well last time i talked to the guy i sold it to it was and that was at least 5000 miles on it

RETed · 03-09-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 12arotary

^^^well 18 gauge plastic covered speaker wire is in one of my 12a's and working great, well last time i talked to the guy i sold it to it was and that was at least 5000 miles on it

Interesting...
I know a guy who used the right size cotton string / cord and just cover it with RTV...

-Ted

12arotary · 03-09-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RETed

Interesting...
I know a guy who used the right size cotton string / cord and just cover it with RTV...

-Ted

that seems kinda hella risky

vex · 03-09-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 12arotary

that seems kinda hella risky

Why? It's not directly exposed to flame, nor much of anything. If it works it works.

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03-05-2010, 10:05 AM	#6
vex RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Influx. Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 20	You could by-pass discontinuous seals by just cutting them out of a solid sheet, then sanding and grinding to specific tolerance. You'd still have to finish the seal even if casting it. But I don't think you could cast a seal--too small, and the metal too viscus. __________________ The Official FC Radiator Thread My Project Thread: Cerberus CCVT Virginia Rotary Group

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03-07-2010, 09:47 PM	#9
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03-03-2010, 10:53 PM	#1
sickofpistons Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Jackson, TN Posts: 72 Rep Power: 0	Would you have to have the motor dowled, and would you have clearance issues with them. (IF THERE WAS SUCH A THING)

03-03-2010, 11:02 PM	#3
proz07 Needing a new tow rig. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: AR Posts: 245 Rep Power: 18	We use something similar in jet engines turbine bearing sections they are ONE time use metal crush gaskets. They take literaly 30-45 min to torque down correctly not a big deal BUT I believe they would be a horrible application for this as the rotor housings can flex ever so slightly on higher hp/rpm applications. This alone will cause this type of hard seal to fail in short order i do believe. They are made of stainless steel as well fyi, look just like an o-ring just metal. z

03-03-2010, 11:04 PM	#4
sickofpistons Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Jackson, TN Posts: 72 Rep Power: 0	This is what pineappleracing offers. Detailed Description This is our exclusive Heavy Duty Water Seal kit for the 3-rotor 20B. We tested these seals for over 7 years in numerous street and track cars before offering them to our customers. They have proven to be a significant upgrade over the stock water seals. We use them in all our 5-year warranty motors. Also, these seals are re-usable if you need to reopen the motor to freshen it, as long as the mileage is not too high or the engine too overheated. In other words, if you make a mistake and blow up your engine or perhaps improperly clearance the seals or whatever, these seals can be removed, allowed to "rest" for about 30 minutes and be reused when you put the engine back together. Stock water seals must be disposed of when freshening an engine, even with just a couple heat cycles. Kit includes the water jacket o-rings, front cover o-ring (and backup washer, if needed), dowel o-rings, rear stationary gear o-ring and oil pedistal o-rings. I really just wanted to know if there where such a thing as copper seals, and if they where any kind of an upgrade.

03-07-2010, 11:24 PM	#11
13bboy Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: australia Posts: 71 Rep Power: 16	haha funny shit

03-08-2010, 01:23 PM	#12
12arotary tumor-syphilis-itis-osis Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 191 Rep Power: 18	^^^well 18 gauge plastic covered speaker wire is in one of my 12a's and working great, well last time i talked to the guy i sold it to it was and that was at least 5000 miles on it __________________ 82 300d 82 Gsl 84 b2200 Diesel 88 gxl