Re-chromed rotor housings

Whizbang · 11-18-2009, 08:25 PM

well i have been saving my rotor housings.

glassman · 11-18-2009, 10:18 PM

Here's some pics of the housings from my engine on tear down. I'm going to see how these come out but we have some others to try too. The flaking on the edges from the wedge trace hopefully is not too deep. I've marked the housings SFD01 and SFD02 so we can compare after they are re-chromed. The scratches seen in the pics are what I would consider acceptable for re-chrome, as long as the steel underneath is good.

Whizbang · 11-19-2009, 10:30 PM

so flaking is fixable essentially?

glassman · 11-20-2009, 01:00 PM

It is subjective as to whether flaking is repairable or not. If the steel underneath the flaked area is pitted and rusted then that will translate into the chrome when re-applied. Really we will need to strip a bunch of flaked housings to see how they look in the flaked area compared to the rest of the insert. On an old 4 port housing I have the flaked area was evident once stripped but housings recently taken from service may not show this problem as the flaked area hasn't had time to degredate.

2gslse · 12-03-2009, 06:46 PM

When are you planning on starting production? have you decided pricing yet?

glassman · 12-06-2009, 11:11 AM

Well we hope to get it off the ground over the winter. There is still some challenges with our fixture but we are working out the bugs one at a time. Pricing will depend on how well the fixture works, if we can get things going smoothly with fast changes to the next pair this will keep costs down. Our goal is around half of new, hopefully we will hit that mark.

Nismo · 12-06-2009, 11:18 AM

Are you testing with Steel Seals, or just your Ceramic?

glassman · 12-06-2009, 11:27 AM

Right now the 2 housings in service are running steel seals. For starters we will use steel factory seals so we are comparing on even ground. We need to know how the chrome wll stand up to OEM use situations long term.

NoDOHC · 05-12-2010, 08:50 PM

How is this going? Does this process appear to be feasible yet?

glassman · 05-13-2010, 09:17 AM

The fixture were making has been more problematic than expected so we've decided to scrap the origional design in favor of a new design that will eliminate previous problems. We've learned a lot from messing with this thing and the new fixture will be much more functional with faster changes possible. Really it comes down to throwing more money at it, so once my parts order is completed I can look at moving forward with the new design.

We've also applied for a government grant to help get this moving along, if that goes through things will happen a lot sooner with proper cash flow to commit to the project. The funds would also be used to explore means of repairing gouged housings for re-chrome.

NoDOHC · 05-13-2010, 09:53 PM

I have several housings that are undamaged, but worn. Can you take them for a beta test? I don't mind paying $200-$300 per housing if they turn out to make compression. If the process fails, I got them for nearly nothing and they are worthless now, so I don't mind. Maybe if a few people do this it will help with the development costs (I don't know what the costs are - probably higher than a few jobs in the backlog would cover).

***TitaniumTT*** · 05-13-2010, 10:10 PM

I would be interested as well. I've got a few housings kicking around that are worn, scarred, but not into the steel that I'm aware of.

Would be willing to put them into know working good engines and run a few dyno's, track days, auto-x's 10k miles and pull them apart and send them to you for inspection.

Always interested in research and development

glassman · 05-15-2010, 12:52 PM

^^Hey guy's, definitly we could use some housings for chroming down the road once the trial runs are completed. The more beta testing the better. We have about 6 FD hosuings that are nice candidates to get us started as well as some 12A. Once we get them completed I'll post pics and then we can look at getting you guy's set up.

glassman · 05-17-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I hope your efforts turn out better than JHB's. Their coatings seem to flake back off rather quickly from what I have seen.

Rob hasn't taken the engine apart yet but it seems to be running quite well with no signs of lost compression. Cermet and hard chrome are quite different animals, as long as our prep work is good the chrome should stay on and we are using the best quality chrome available to us here.
Thanks

Nismo · 07-10-2010, 08:34 PM

I have crap loads of housings, I am building an engine in the next 8 months, I'd be more than willing to try this out if everything comes together in time.

Plus I'm in Canada

11-18-2009, 08:25 PM	#16
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11-18-2009, 10:18 PM	#17
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	Here's some pics of the housings from my engine on tear down. I'm going to see how these come out but we have some others to try too. The flaking on the edges from the wedge trace hopefully is not too deep. I've marked the housings SFD01 and SFD02 so we can compare after they are re-chromed. The scratches seen in the pics are what I would consider acceptable for re-chrome, as long as the steel underneath is good. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

11-19-2009, 10:30 PM	#18
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	so flaking is fixable essentially? __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-20-2009, 01:00 PM	#19
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	It is subjective as to whether flaking is repairable or not. If the steel underneath the flaked area is pitted and rusted then that will translate into the chrome when re-applied. Really we will need to strip a bunch of flaked housings to see how they look in the flaked area compared to the rest of the insert. On an old 4 port housing I have the flaked area was evident once stripped but housings recently taken from service may not show this problem as the flaked area hasn't had time to degredate. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

12-06-2009, 11:11 AM	#21
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	Well we hope to get it off the ground over the winter. There is still some challenges with our fixture but we are working out the bugs one at a time. Pricing will depend on how well the fixture works, if we can get things going smoothly with fast changes to the next pair this will keep costs down. Our goal is around half of new, hopefully we will hit that mark. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

12-03-2009, 06:46 PM	#20
2gslse Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: front royal va iTrader: (0) Posts: 440 Rep Power: 17	When are you planning on starting production? have you decided pricing yet?

12-06-2009, 11:18 AM	#22
Nismo 400WHP or bust Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kincardine, Ontario Canada iTrader: (1) Posts: 165 Rep Power: 17	Are you testing with Steel Seals, or just your Ceramic? __________________ 1986 GXL- Being built with a 13B RE... http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...ead.php?t=9602 1986 Base-RB Exhaust, HKS filter, Solid Aluminum motor mounts, S5 TII motor, ACT Clutch, HKS SSQV, Light Weight Flywheel, Haltech E6X, 720cc 2ndaries, Koni Yellows, Tein Springs Koyo Rad, 250 WHP 230 FTLBS Stock turbo, and stock IC at 10psi. RIP!! The daily bitch- 1995.5 Toyota Tacoma- Trueflow airfilter, and Bilstein HD shocks. 2009 Toyota Corolla "S" TRD Filter... 40MPG

12-06-2009, 11:27 AM	#23
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	Right now the 2 housings in service are running steel seals. For starters we will use steel factory seals so we are comparing on even ground. We need to know how the chrome wll stand up to OEM use situations long term. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

05-12-2010, 08:50 PM	#24
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	How is this going? Does this process appear to be feasible yet? __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

05-13-2010, 09:17 AM	#25
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	The fixture were making has been more problematic than expected so we've decided to scrap the origional design in favor of a new design that will eliminate previous problems. We've learned a lot from messing with this thing and the new fixture will be much more functional with faster changes possible. Really it comes down to throwing more money at it, so once my parts order is completed I can look at moving forward with the new design. We've also applied for a government grant to help get this moving along, if that goes through things will happen a lot sooner with proper cash flow to commit to the project. The funds would also be used to explore means of repairing gouged housings for re-chrome. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

05-13-2010, 09:53 PM	#26
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	I have several housings that are undamaged, but worn. Can you take them for a beta test? I don't mind paying $200-$300 per housing if they turn out to make compression. If the process fails, I got them for nearly nothing and they are worthless now, so I don't mind. Maybe if a few people do this it will help with the development costs (I don't know what the costs are - probably higher than a few jobs in the backlog would cover). __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

05-13-2010, 10:10 PM	#27
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	I would be interested as well. I've got a few housings kicking around that are worn, scarred, but not into the steel that I'm aware of. Would be willing to put them into know working good engines and run a few dyno's, track days, auto-x's 10k miles and pull them apart and send them to you for inspection. Always interested in research and development __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

05-15-2010, 12:52 PM	#28
glassman Premium Vendor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada iTrader: (0) Posts: 173 Rep Power: 17	^^Hey guy's, definitly we could use some housings for chroming down the road once the trial runs are completed. The more beta testing the better. We have about 6 FD hosuings that are nice candidates to get us started as well as some 12A. Once we get them completed I'll post pics and then we can look at getting you guy's set up. __________________ Mild to wild, street to strip, when you want to go fast and you want your engine to last, NRS Ceramics is the only way to go. NRS Rotorsports nrsrotorsports@shaw.ca www.nrsrotorsports.com

07-10-2010, 08:34 PM	#30
Nismo 400WHP or bust Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kincardine, Ontario Canada iTrader: (1) Posts: 165 Rep Power: 17	I have crap loads of housings, I am building an engine in the next 8 months, I'd be more than willing to try this out if everything comes together in time. Plus I'm in Canada __________________ 1986 GXL- Being built with a 13B RE... http://www.rotarycarclub.com/rotary_...ead.php?t=9602 1986 Base-RB Exhaust, HKS filter, Solid Aluminum motor mounts, S5 TII motor, ACT Clutch, HKS SSQV, Light Weight Flywheel, Haltech E6X, 720cc 2ndaries, Koni Yellows, Tein Springs Koyo Rad, 250 WHP 230 FTLBS Stock turbo, and stock IC at 10psi. RIP!! The daily bitch- 1995.5 Toyota Tacoma- Trueflow airfilter, and Bilstein HD shocks. 2009 Toyota Corolla "S" TRD Filter... 40MPG