3rd gen Alignment specs from Pettit Racing

***Herblenny*** · 03-13-2008, 01:20 PM

IR Performance · 03-18-2008, 11:32 PM

I ran those for a while. Tire wear was slightly accelerated but car handled awesome.

SPICcnmFD · 03-19-2008, 06:45 AM

I think they are probably a good comprimise for steet and track driving, but I've got -2 degreees all around and I need more in the front for the track. The rear could use less probably -1.5 or -1.

***Herblenny*** · 03-19-2008, 08:22 AM

This is what I got..

Decide to go more towards street..

FRONT
Camber: -0.3
Caster: 6.6
Toe: 0.03in

REAR
Camber: -1.2
Toe: 0.05in

Car rides OK with the Delrin Bushings, H&R, Koni Yellows, RB front sway, RB sway brace...

Chadwick · 03-19-2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herblenny

This is what I got..

Decide to go more towards street..

FRONT
Camber: -0.3
Caster: 6.6
Toe: 0.03in

REAR
Camber: -1.2
Toe: 0.05in

Car rides OK with the Delrin Bushings, H&R, Koni Yellows, RB front sway, RB sway brace...

Phil, I would not run any tow on the street, toe is what wears out tires. With the small amount you’re running, it will make no real difference in handling anyway. Pettit's track settings are very conservative; I run -2.5 all the way around for camber, and around 3 caster. Too much caster will actually increase tire lift in corners. For Toe I run 0 front and .16" in on the rear. My setting are for track, not street use.

albertomg · 03-19-2008, 10:22 AM

For street and open track use, I run specs pretty close to those of the 16" wheels even though I'm running 17" wheels with 255/40/17. Running Konis with H&R springs.

Camber -1.5 front; - 1.2 rear
This wound up being more aggressive than I wanted but has been OK thus far. Someone on the other forum had apparently tested the Pettit settings with a pyrometer on track and said they worked well and provided proper tire temps. FYI - Having more rear camber than front camber increases understeer. The camber Phil listed above just about matches the specs on my Mini Cooper which is setup for lots of understeer from the factory.

Toe .06 degrees of toe in front and 0 in rear
For many cars driven on the street a little bit of "toe in" up front helps keep the steering from being darty when driving on the highway and trying to hold a straight line. I had mine at 0 front toe when I first got the car and didn't like it on street. It kept wanting to pull side to side driving down the highway. IIRC, more "toe in" in the rear helps the rear of the car rotate. Autox guys tend to use a decent amount of toe in in the rear.

Caster is now about 6 degrees
I experimented a bit with caster. When I got the car it had almost 7 degrees of caster. The steering had always felt heavier on this FD compared to my last one and after a year or so, I learned it was b/c I was running so much caster. While at the alignment shop, I was talking to the alignment guy and we decided to experiment with caster settings and we brought it down to 6 degrees. It made a world of difference. The steering feels much better and quicker. Now I understand why Rynberg always used to say "the FD doesn't need more than 6 degrees of caster".

Hope that is useful to someone.

Chadwick · 03-19-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albertomg

IIRC, more "toe in" in the rear helps the rear of the car rotate. Autox guys tend to use a decent amount of toe in in the rear.

More toe in in the rear helps the car power out of the corners better (keeps the back end planted), toe out would help it to rotate.

Dan

***Herblenny*** · 03-19-2008, 10:59 AM

Hey Dan,

Even if its only 0.03inch?? Its so minor

Also, what is Stock alignment from Mazda??

Chadwick · 03-19-2008, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herblenny

Hey Dan,

Even if its only 0.03inch?? Its so minor

Also, what is Stock alignment from Mazda??

Not really enough to worry about, and like albertomg says, 0 toe will make the car track to the road conditions.

Dan

Chadwick · 03-19-2008, 11:11 AM

total toe-in 0.04 +- 0.16
Camber angle 0 deg
Caster angle 6 deg 40'

REAR:

total toe-in 0.08 +- 0.16
Camber angle -1 deg
Thrust angle 0deg +- 0.8 deg

FD3S2005 · 03-19-2008, 11:03 PM

what do you go to a place that does alignments and say i want this toe and this caster and yada yada?

Chadwick · 03-19-2008, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FD3S2005

what do you go to a place that does alignments and say i want this toe and this caster and yada yada?

I do my own alignments and most shops will dial in what ever you want.

Dan

dhays · 03-20-2008, 01:06 PM

Good thread. I'm really a noob, both with the FD and particularly with suspension and alignment. My FD is a weekend car with some auto-cross. I have yet to have the alignment checked since I bought it almost 4 months ago. It drives and handles better than I do at this point, but what settings would you folks recommend for my situation?

I have 18x8.5 wheels with 235/40/18 tires. As far as I know, the suspension is completely stock. I was thinking just using Pettit's short track specs as a compromise. Any ideas or suggestions?

Chadwick · 03-20-2008, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhays

Good thread. I'm really a noob, both with the FD and particularly with suspension and alignment. My FD is a weekend car with some auto-cross. I have yet to have the alignment checked since I bought it almost 4 months ago. It drives and handles better than I do at this point, but what settings would you folks recommend for my situation?

I have 18x8.5 wheels with 235/40/18 tires. As far as I know, the suspension is completely stock. I was thinking just using Pettit's short track specs as a compromise. Any ideas or suggestions?

Short track settings would be pretty good for you, but I would make the front and rear camber equal.

Dan

albertomg · 03-20-2008, 11:01 PM

I guess it would depend on how competitive you are at autox. Too much negative camber on the street isn't always a good thing.

03-19-2008, 06:45 AM	#3
SPICcnmFD Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: B'ham, AL iTrader: (0) Posts: 329 Rep Power: 17	I think they are probably a good comprimise for steet and track driving, but I've got -2 degreees all around and I need more in the front for the track. The rear could use less probably -1.5 or -1. __________________ 1993 Rx-7 SM2 #11 At the local AutoX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VOSQkkSLQs Speed for Sale shootout 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiqlyAkGmpg A few laps at Barbers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_h5q...x=0&playnext=1

03-19-2008, 08:22 AM	#4
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	This is what I got.. Decide to go more towards street.. FRONT Camber: -0.3 Caster: 6.6 Toe: 0.03in REAR Camber: -1.2 Toe: 0.05in Car rides OK with the Delrin Bushings, H&R, Koni Yellows, RB front sway, RB sway brace... __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

03-19-2008, 10:22 AM	#6
albertomg Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bay Area CA iTrader: (0) Posts: 91 Rep Power: 17	For street and open track use, I run specs pretty close to those of the 16" wheels even though I'm running 17" wheels with 255/40/17. Running Konis with H&R springs. Camber -1.5 front; - 1.2 rear This wound up being more aggressive than I wanted but has been OK thus far. Someone on the other forum had apparently tested the Pettit settings with a pyrometer on track and said they worked well and provided proper tire temps. FYI - Having more rear camber than front camber increases understeer. The camber Phil listed above just about matches the specs on my Mini Cooper which is setup for lots of understeer from the factory. Toe .06 degrees of toe in front and 0 in rear For many cars driven on the street a little bit of "toe in" up front helps keep the steering from being darty when driving on the highway and trying to hold a straight line. I had mine at 0 front toe when I first got the car and didn't like it on street. It kept wanting to pull side to side driving down the highway. IIRC, more "toe in" in the rear helps the rear of the car rotate. Autox guys tend to use a decent amount of toe in in the rear. Caster is now about 6 degrees I experimented a bit with caster. When I got the car it had almost 7 degrees of caster. The steering had always felt heavier on this FD compared to my last one and after a year or so, I learned it was b/c I was running so much caster. While at the alignment shop, I was talking to the alignment guy and we decided to experiment with caster settings and we brought it down to 6 degrees. It made a world of difference. The steering feels much better and quicker. Now I understand why Rynberg always used to say "the FD doesn't need more than 6 degrees of caster". Hope that is useful to someone. Last edited by albertomg; 03-19-2008 at 10:25 AM..

03-19-2008, 10:59 AM	#8
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Hey Dan, Even if its only 0.03inch?? Its so minor Also, what is Stock alignment from Mazda?? __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

03-19-2008, 11:11 AM	#10
Chadwick Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Smyrna, TN, USA iTrader: (3) Posts: 239 Rep Power: 17	total toe-in 0.04 +- 0.16 Camber angle 0 deg Caster angle 6 deg 40' REAR: total toe-in 0.08 +- 0.16 Camber angle -1 deg Thrust angle 0deg +- 0.8 deg __________________ 93 RX7 BB (Race Car) 93 RX7 SSM (Soon to be IBM and a daily driver) 05 Silverado Z71 08 Mini Cooper 80 LS RX7 (for sale)

03-18-2008, 11:32 PM	#2
IR Performance Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Metuchen, NJ iTrader: (2) Posts: 249 Rep Power: 17	I ran those for a while. Tire wear was slightly accelerated but car handled awesome.

03-19-2008, 11:03 PM	#11
FD3S2005 The Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	what do you go to a place that does alignments and say i want this toe and this caster and yada yada?

03-20-2008, 01:06 PM	#13
dhays The Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (1) Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Good thread. I'm really a noob, both with the FD and particularly with suspension and alignment. My FD is a weekend car with some auto-cross. I have yet to have the alignment checked since I bought it almost 4 months ago. It drives and handles better than I do at this point, but what settings would you folks recommend for my situation? I have 18x8.5 wheels with 235/40/18 tires. As far as I know, the suspension is completely stock. I was thinking just using Pettit's short track specs as a compromise. Any ideas or suggestions? __________________ Dave

03-20-2008, 11:01 PM	#15
albertomg Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bay Area CA iTrader: (0) Posts: 91 Rep Power: 17	I guess it would depend on how competitive you are at autox. Too much negative camber on the street isn't always a good thing.