NO Timing marks at all

Apex944 · 09-14-2008, 01:42 AM

So, I have set the timing per the FSM.
Set to yellow leading mark which is -5 degree's, set the CAS gear to the dot, pull the cover off the CAS to make sure it does not rotate, start the car.

Well, when I start the car with it setup like this the car will NOT run.
I have to cut off fuel, pump the throttle a few times, it starts firing and I turn the fuel back on and it runs like shit. I try to rev and it doesnt do anything until I let off and then it revs up a little.

So I started going through each tooth on the CAS until I found one that worked.
It happened to be about the 3rd tooth before the correct one when looking at the top of the CAS.

So, when it's setup 3 teeth or so from the one it's supposed to be on it fires up on first try. Runs excellent, revs beautifully, no issues other than my timing marks are out of sight completely no matter how far I turn the CAS. I even grinded out the slot on the CAS to allow it to retard farther and it still will not line up.

The marks are on the far left side of the pulley when looking from the front of the engine.

I tried moving the CAS 1-2 teeth in both directions and it just makes it run like complete shit.

I have changed pullies to make sure it wasnt the pulley and there wasnt any difference.

I could have put the drive gear on backwards, but I don't think it would be so far off that I couldnt reach it with the grinded out CAS slot method.

I retarded the CAS as far as it would go until it hit my block and the marks were still far off.

Here's a few pic's of my CAS setup....

I checked my timing with a snap-on timing light earlier tonight and according to it, I am 120 degree's advanced from -5 leading timing yet the car runs fine.....

Any idea's?

It run's great and makes great power, just the timing scares me a little.

I will be at 7 stock on the 26th with my car if anybody wants to take a look at it and help me out

Thanks for any help

Apex944 · 09-14-2008, 05:46 PM

Wow, no help?

Well, I figured it out from some idea's from "the other forum".

I tried the TDC via the apex seal in the spark plug hole and I was somewhat close timing wise but still far off.

I then took the hub off of my spare S4 T2 engine and put it on....
I had the clutch pedal held down with an extension rod, the kind that telescopes and locks in place and you have to pull the tab to release it, while I pulled the front bolt of course.

Timing is PERFECT now.

The car idle's, cruises, drives, pulls, and decel's way better than ever now.

Wish I had thought about the pulley hub earlier.

Basically MAKE SURE YOUR PULLEY/ HUB COMBINATION ARE FROM THE ENGINE TYPE YOU ARE USING

RETed · 09-15-2008, 02:51 AM

I answered your thread in the other forum. :P

-Ted

Apex944 · 09-15-2008, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RETed

I answered your thread in the other forum. :P

-Ted

Haha, thanks again REted

turbo-111 · 10-02-2008, 09:28 AM

can i get a link to that other thread i just got done rebuilding my T2 and i will need to know the answer to this aswell

09-14-2008, 01:42 AM	#1
Apex944 The Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA iTrader: (0) Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	NO Timing marks at all So, I have set the timing per the FSM. Set to yellow leading mark which is -5 degree's, set the CAS gear to the dot, pull the cover off the CAS to make sure it does not rotate, start the car. Well, when I start the car with it setup like this the car will NOT run. I have to cut off fuel, pump the throttle a few times, it starts firing and I turn the fuel back on and it runs like shit. I try to rev and it doesnt do anything until I let off and then it revs up a little. So I started going through each tooth on the CAS until I found one that worked. It happened to be about the 3rd tooth before the correct one when looking at the top of the CAS. So, when it's setup 3 teeth or so from the one it's supposed to be on it fires up on first try. Runs excellent, revs beautifully, no issues other than my timing marks are out of sight completely no matter how far I turn the CAS. I even grinded out the slot on the CAS to allow it to retard farther and it still will not line up. The marks are on the far left side of the pulley when looking from the front of the engine. I tried moving the CAS 1-2 teeth in both directions and it just makes it run like complete shit. I have changed pullies to make sure it wasnt the pulley and there wasnt any difference. I could have put the drive gear on backwards, but I don't think it would be so far off that I couldnt reach it with the grinded out CAS slot method. I retarded the CAS as far as it would go until it hit my block and the marks were still far off. Here's a few pic's of my CAS setup.... I checked my timing with a snap-on timing light earlier tonight and according to it, I am 120 degree's advanced from -5 leading timing yet the car runs fine..... Any idea's? It run's great and makes great power, just the timing scares me a little. I will be at 7 stock on the 26th with my car if anybody wants to take a look at it and help me out Thanks for any help __________________ 1988 T2- Breakin complete Boosting 5-7 PSI Currently attending Universal Technical Institute (UTI) of Sacramento, Ca. Classes: Automotive and Toyota/Lexus elective

09-14-2008, 05:46 PM	#2
Apex944 The Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Elk Grove, CA iTrader: (0) Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Wow, no help? Well, I figured it out from some idea's from "the other forum". I tried the TDC via the apex seal in the spark plug hole and I was somewhat close timing wise but still far off. I then took the hub off of my spare S4 T2 engine and put it on.... I had the clutch pedal held down with an extension rod, the kind that telescopes and locks in place and you have to pull the tab to release it, while I pulled the front bolt of course. Timing is PERFECT now. The car idle's, cruises, drives, pulls, and decel's way better than ever now. Wish I had thought about the pulley hub earlier. Basically MAKE SURE YOUR PULLEY/ HUB COMBINATION ARE FROM THE ENGINE TYPE YOU ARE USING __________________ 1988 T2- Breakin complete Boosting 5-7 PSI Currently attending Universal Technical Institute (UTI) of Sacramento, Ca. Classes: Automotive and Toyota/Lexus elective

10-02-2008, 09:28 AM	#5
turbo-111 The Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	can i get a link to that other thread i just got done rebuilding my T2 and i will need to know the answer to this aswell