New 20b NA Headers by Defined Autoworks

gmonsen · 02-05-2011, 09:57 PM

Logan Defined Autoworks has made a new set of headers for me. These are an advance on his last 20b NA headers and is an example of the headers he is now building for testing and sale. These new headers were developed based on extensive testing and iterative redesign, but these are a newer design. We are going to do some testing on the dyno next week and will be able to show just how much power they add over a very good set of equal length headers I had on the car. I can't wait for the next few weeks dyno testing of both the new headers and the new intake plenum and runners. Logan Carswell and David Barninger (KD Rotary) will do the testing and we're thinking of videoing the sessions.

The headers are part of a significant upgrade of my entire exhaust system (as well as the air and fuel intake system). In addition to the headers, Dave Barninger is building a 3-way exhaust system that adds pipes as revs increase, and a new through bumper dual exhaust that is in my projects thread in the 3rd gen section.

Gordon

Old Headers
Here are a few pictures of my old headers, which were very nicely done.

New Headers
Its hard to figure out which to show first. I didn't have a lot of build pictures, so I think I will just show the headers off by themselves as completed. They have not yet been ceramic coated.

gmonsen · 02-10-2011, 12:49 AM

So, the headers are finished and on there way to KD Rotary to be fitted and tested along with the new plenum I designed. We are going to dyno my base car as it is and then swap the headers and dyno again. Then, the old headers and new plenum and then the new headers and new plenum and runners together. We should learn a lot. Logan Carswell (Defined) anmd Dave Barninger (KD Rotary) will be doing the testing on Saturday the 19th. Anybpdy in the area who wants to come by, PM me. We'll have beer and sodas and coffee and snacks.

Gordon

***TitaniumTT*** · 02-10-2011, 02:17 AM

Beer! I'll be there! In my Jeep though, took the FC off the rd today

gmonsen · 02-10-2011, 10:20 AM

TitaniumTT... Great. Looking forward to meeting you. Where do you live, btw? I think this is going to be very interesting and show what can be achieved with better, more scientifically designed intake and exhaust systems with NA motors.

Gordon

***TitaniumTT*** · 02-10-2011, 11:25 AM

Gordon.... we've m et before, we went over this the last time I was I Dave's and we spoke on the phone

Live in CT, it's generally about a 2.5hr drive for me.

gmonsen · 02-10-2011, 12:08 PM

Yes... but, I have Althzheimer's...

G

djmtsu · 02-10-2011, 01:33 PM

That header is f'n gnarly. I love it more than life.

gmonsen · 02-10-2011, 03:38 PM

djmtsu... and that's why I call them "menage a trois"...

Gordon

project86 · 02-11-2011, 12:07 AM

Those headers look awesome!! im excited to see how they perform.

fbRXse7en · 02-11-2011, 02:01 AM

WHOA. SEX. I could gaze upon their glory for an eternity...*snaps-back-to-reality* are they goin' on PP 20B?! HOPE! *crossing-fingers!!

gmonsen · 02-11-2011, 07:05 PM

Project86... Thanks. I am looking forward to seeing how the headers and new intake work.

fbRXse7en... Exactly. Erotic art.

Gordon

diabolical1 · 02-12-2011, 03:23 AM

well, i'm nowhere near there, but i think i'd like to come on over and see this in person. beer is just gravy ....

gmonsen · 02-14-2011, 07:11 AM

Diabolical1... Love to see you, Brian. Hope you can make it.

Gordon

project86 · 03-10-2011, 06:01 PM

any updates here?

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-10-2011, 09:05 PM

Privilaged info - I was @ KDR/Speed1 today

02-05-2011, 09:57 PM	#1
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	New 20b NA Headers by Defined Autoworks Logan Defined Autoworks has made a new set of headers for me. These are an advance on his last 20b NA headers and is an example of the headers he is now building for testing and sale. These new headers were developed based on extensive testing and iterative redesign, but these are a newer design. We are going to do some testing on the dyno next week and will be able to show just how much power they add over a very good set of equal length headers I had on the car. I can't wait for the next few weeks dyno testing of both the new headers and the new intake plenum and runners. Logan Carswell and David Barninger (KD Rotary) will do the testing and we're thinking of videoing the sessions. The headers are part of a significant upgrade of my entire exhaust system (as well as the air and fuel intake system). In addition to the headers, Dave Barninger is building a 3-way exhaust system that adds pipes as revs increase, and a new through bumper dual exhaust that is in my projects thread in the 3rd gen section. Gordon Old Headers Here are a few pictures of my old headers, which were very nicely done. New Headers Its hard to figure out which to show first. I didn't have a lot of build pictures, so I think I will just show the headers off by themselves as completed. They have not yet been ceramic coated. __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-10-2011, 12:49 AM	#2
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	So, the headers are finished and on there way to KD Rotary to be fitted and tested along with the new plenum I designed. We are going to dyno my base car as it is and then swap the headers and dyno again. Then, the old headers and new plenum and then the new headers and new plenum and runners together. We should learn a lot. Logan Carswell (Defined) anmd Dave Barninger (KD Rotary) will be doing the testing on Saturday the 19th. Anybpdy in the area who wants to come by, PM me. We'll have beer and sodas and coffee and snacks. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-10-2011, 02:17 AM	#3
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Beer! I'll be there! In my Jeep though, took the FC off the rd today __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

02-10-2011, 10:20 AM	#4
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	TitaniumTT... Great. Looking forward to meeting you. Where do you live, btw? I think this is going to be very interesting and show what can be achieved with better, more scientifically designed intake and exhaust systems with NA motors. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-10-2011, 11:25 AM	#5
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Gordon.... we've m et before, we went over this the last time I was I Dave's and we spoke on the phone Live in CT, it's generally about a 2.5hr drive for me. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

02-10-2011, 12:08 PM	#6
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	Yes... but, I have Althzheimer's... G __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-10-2011, 01:33 PM	#7
djmtsu My minds tellin' me no... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (10) Posts: 4,043 Rep Power: 21	That header is f'n gnarly. I love it more than life. __________________ 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 2003 Toyota Tundra TRD 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5

02-10-2011, 03:38 PM	#8
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	djmtsu... and that's why I call them "menage a trois"... Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-11-2011, 12:07 AM	#9
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	Those headers look awesome!! im excited to see how they perform. __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

02-11-2011, 02:01 AM	#10
fbRXse7en The Newbie Join Date: May 2010 iTrader: (0) Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	WHOA. SEX. I could gaze upon their glory for an eternity...snaps-back-to-reality are they goin' on PP 20B?! HOPE! *crossing-fingers!!

02-11-2011, 07:05 PM	#11
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	Project86... Thanks. I am looking forward to seeing how the headers and new intake work. fbRXse7en... Exactly. Erotic art. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

02-12-2011, 03:23 AM	#12
diabolical1 I have radioactive semen Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in a bottle of Glenfiddich iTrader: (0) Posts: 249 Rep Power: 17	well, i'm nowhere near there, but i think i'd like to come on over and see this in person. beer is just gravy ....

02-14-2011, 07:11 AM	#13
gmonsen The Ancient One Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Eastern Pennsylvania iTrader: (0) Posts: 144 Rep Power: 17	Diabolical1... Love to see you, Brian. Hope you can make it. Gordon __________________ 1993 Rx7 R1 20b NA 1994 Rx7 20b supercharged project 1991 BMW 850 6 speed 1991 BMW E30 M3 Evo II

03-10-2011, 06:01 PM	#14
project86 Can't.Make.Up.My.Mind. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (3) Posts: 1,377 Rep Power: 17	any updates here? __________________ '90 GTUs Stay up to date with my photography '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid '10 Toyota Prius "Initial Success or Total Failure"

03-10-2011, 09:05 PM	#15
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Privilaged info - I was @ KDR/Speed1 today __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**