09-26-2008, 07:54 AM | #1 |
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The Transmission / Differential FAQ
Updated: 7 Jan 2014
The following is a coming together of information for quick reference when looking for a gear ratio, transmission choice or any other information that may assist those looking to modify or repair there drive line. This thread will be updated periodically and reference to that will be via that date at the very top of this thread Transmission Gear Ratios Q. Can i use a Ford or Chevy transmission? A. Yes, a couple of companies make adapters and bell housings to allow for a spread of transmissions including the Ford T5, various Chevy transmissions and Jericos. See this thread here regarding swapping a T-5: T-5 Swap For the Ford T5 see Rotaryshack or Kennedy Engineering. For Chevy transmissions see J.W. Performance Transmissions Page 17 For Jerico transmissions see J.W. Performance Transmissions Page 17 For VW transmissions see Kennedy Engineering Q. Are there aftermarket gear sets for my stock transmission case? A. Yes,Pfitzner Performance Gearboxs (PPG) makes several options. OSGiken also makes sets for the FD3S and FC3S Turbo II. Pfitzner Performance Gearbox
OSgiken 3 Speed Kit for the FC/FD: 1st: 2.714 2nd: 1.742 3rd: 1.267 5 speed kit for the FC/FD: 1st: 2.578 2nd: 1.772 3rd: 1.289 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.821 Q. What about the Miata gearset swap? A. See this thread here for some good information: Miata Gears Q. Can i swap an Rx8 Transmission? A. Yes, but read this thread throughly first: Rx8 Transmission Factory Transmission Ratios Please note that the there can be variances in the fifth gear of the transmission depending on the sales market (Japan, USA and UK) Mazda Rx2, Rx3, Rx4, Rx5 (Cosmo) 12A/13B Gearbox 1st: 3.380 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.390 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.791 Mazda Rx3SP 77-78 Gearbox 1st: 3.380 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.390 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.791 Mazda Rx-4 77-78 13B Gearbox 1st: 3.380 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.390 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.791 Mazda Rx-5 (Cosmo) 77-78 13B Gearbox 1st: 3.380 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.390 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.791 Mazda Rotary Engined Pickup 74-75 1st: 3.683 2nd: 2.263 3rd: 1.397 4th: 1.000 Mazda Rotary Engined Pickup 76-77 1st: 3.683 2nd: 2.263 3rd: 1.397 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.862 Mazda Miata Gearbox 1st: 3.136 2nd: 1.888 3rd: 1.330 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.814 89-93 B2600 "R" Transmission 1st: 3.730 2nd: 2.158 3rd: 1.396 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.816 Mazda Rx-7 early 12A Gearbox (4spd) 1st: 2nd: 3rd: 4th: Mazda Competition Rx-7 Gearbox 1st: 2.350 2nd: 1.608 3rd: 1.240 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.881 or 0.839 Mazda Rx-7 79-83 12A Gearbox 1st: 3.674 2nd: 2.217 3rd: 1.432 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.825 Mazda Rx-7 79-85 Automatic Transmission (L4N71B) 1st: 2.458 2nd: 1.458 3rd: 1.00 4th: 0.720 Mazda Rx-7 84-85 12A Gearbox 1st: 3.622 2nd: 2.186 3rd: 1.419 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.758 Mazda Rx-7 84-85 13B (Type M) Gearbox 1st: 3.622 2nd: 2.186 3rd: 1.419 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.807 Mazda Rx-7 86 13B 6PI (Type M) Gearbox 1st: 3.475 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.366 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.711 (0.758 UK) Mazda Rx-7 87-88 13B 6PI (Type M) Gearbox 1st: 3.475 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.366 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.697 (0.758 UK) Mazda Rx-7 87-88 13B Turbo (Type R) Gearbox (also the 929) 1st: 3.458 2nd: 2.015 3rd: 1.391 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.762 (0.806 Japan) Mazda Rx-7 89-92 13B 6PI w/o LSD Gearbox 1st: 3.475 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.366 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.697 Mazda Rx-7 89-92 13B 6PI with LSD Gearbox 1st: 3.475 2nd: 2.002 3rd: 1.366 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.756 Mazda Rx-7 89-92 13B Turbo Gearbox 1st: 3.483 2nd: 2.015 3rd: 1.391 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.719 Eunos Cosmo 90-95 20B-REW JATCO Automatic 1st: 2.78 2nd: 1.54 3rd: 1.00 4th: 0.69 Eunos Cosmo 90-95 13B-REW JATCO Automatic 1st: 3.03 2nd: 1.62 3rd: 1.00 4th: 0.69 Mazda Rx-7 93-95 13B-REW Gearbox 1st: 3.483 2nd: 2.015 3rd: 1.391 4th: 1.00 5th: 0.719 (0.806 Japan) Mazda Rx-8 04-current 13B Renesis Gearbox (manual) 1st: 3.815 2nd: 2.260 3rd: 1.536 4th: 1.177 5th: 1.00 6th: 0.787 Mazda Rx-8 04-current 13B Renesis Gearbox (automatic) 1st: 3.538 2nd: 2.060 3rd: 1.404 4th: 1.000 5th: 0.713 6th: 0.582 Differential Gear Ratios Q. Are the turbo stub shafts interchangeable? A. Somewhat.
Q. I heard about the Kia Sportage and Mazda truck differentials, what are the facts about this? A. I am going to break this up into two parts. 1. The Kia Sportage
2. The B2600
Mazda 79-82 12A: 3.909 Mazda 83-84 12A: 3.933 Mazda 84-85 13B: 4.076 Mazda 85 12A: 3.909 Mazda 86-92 13B 6PI / Turbo 5 speed: 4.10 UK models 4.30 Mazda 1988 Convertible: 3.91 Mazda 1989+ Convertible: 4.10 Mazda 86-92 13B 6PI Automatic: 3.91 Mazda 1989 GTUs 5 speed: 4.30 Mazda 93-95 13B-REW Manual: 4.10 Mazda 93-95 13B-REW Automatic: 3.91 Mazda 09-current 13B Renesis Manual: 4.777 Mazda 09-current 13B Renesis Automatic: 4.3 Mazda 04-08 13B Renesis Manual: 4.44 Mazda Miata 5 speed: 4.10 or 4.30 Kia Sportage 98-02 4x4 (front diff): 4.78 Mazda B2600 87-88 4x4 5spd (front diff): 4.44 Mazda B2600 87-88 4x4 Auto (front diff): 4.10 ^^all of the above will direct bolt into the Mazda rear end. All are large spline differentials. You can use an rx7 pinion seal in a kia sportage third member, its a little different design, but it will fit and so far has worked for me. I will update if any issues arise. Availible Aftermarket Gears see Mazdatrix.com for details 1979-1985 4.444 27-110A-M054 4.875 27-110A-1312 5.125 27-1100-1480 1986-1992 86-92 3.91 Non-turbo No Longer Available 86-92 4.30 Non-turbo 27-110A-M066 *86-92 4.875 Non-turbo 27-1100-487C 86-92 4.30 Turbo 27-110B-P092 Also 5.12 and 4.77 Rings and Pinion Sets now available for 86-92 Turbo FC's!! These are made from the RX8 ring and pinion sets, using your used FC Turbo pinion gear (you must send it in before we can start - we have no cores). Special order -- takes about four weeks. Supplied with special rear pinion bearing and special spacer. Must use the 93-on sleeve #27-171A-R004 (not included with ring and pinion) 5.12 is #27-11FC-5120-TB 4.77 is #27-11FC-4770-TB 1993-1995 3.909 27-110A-P062 4.10 No Longer Avalilble 4.30 27-110A-P0A5 4.44 27-110A-PA28 4.77 27-110A-RS08 5.12 27-110Y-PA28-05 Notes:
Input Shaft Information Turbo: 1"x23 Spline (same as some Ford applications) NA: 1"x22 Spline
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Limited Slip Information
Q. Where can i get rebuild parts for my OEM Limited Slip? A. either the dealership or check Mazdatrix.com. The direct link is HERE Q. What fluid should i use with my limited slip? A. If it is a clutch type, then use a fluid that had additives for LSD or otherwise indicates it is safe for LSD use. Mostly higher quality fluids fall under this. Also, synthetic fluids is a good choice for any differential. Mazda Limited Slip Units Mazda Rx7 83 Clutch Type (GSL models) Mazda Rx7 12A 84-85 Clutch Type (GSL models) Mazda Rx7 13B 84-85 Clutch Type (GSL-SE) (Limited Slip is less aggressive than 12A model) Mazda Rx7 13B 6PI 86-88 Clutch Type (GXL, GTU) Mazda Rx7 13B Turbo 87-88 Clutch Type (Turbo II) Mazda Rx7 13B 6PI 89-92 Viscous Type (GTUs) Mazda Rx7 13B Turbo 89-92 Viscous Type (Turbo II) Notes:
Aftermarket Torsen Limited Slips see Mazdatrix.com for details 84-92 Non-turbo ------ MZTX-TORSEN1 93-95 Twin Turbo ----- 27-200E-P099 Torsen Limited Slips per Mazdatrix: Quote:
Aftermarket "Kaaz" Limited Slips Cost for Kaaz clutch type limited slip range from about 950 to about 1100 dollars. WPC coating reduces the "clicking" and "clunking" noises associated with a strong working limited slip. 1.5 Way (Suitable for Road Racing)
2 Way (Suitable for Drifting / Drag Racing)
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09-26-2008, 10:20 AM | #3 |
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Clutch Information
Clutch Diameters Mazda pre-1982 12A / 13B: 215mm Mazda 1983-1991 12A / 13B 6PI: 225mm Mazda 1987-1988 13BT: 235mm Mazda 1989-1991 13BT: 240mm Mazda 1993-1995 13B-REW: Mazda 04-current 13B Renesis: 236mm ***note: the S4 / S5 split has a 5mm difference STOCK. Performance clutches are all 240mm**** Types of Aftermarket Clutches Flywheel Information Identifying Flywheels There are several versions of the OEM flywheel over the years. Each has different diameters, weights and markings. Weights are approx. 1978-1980 12A--------------30lbs-------None 1981-1982 12A--------------23lbs-------21 **this flywheel is thinner and lighter than the rest and has a different pressure plate requirement** 1983-1985 12A--------------26lbs-------31 1984-1985 13B (GSL-SE)-----26lbs-------N304 1986-1988 Non Turbo 13B----24lbs ------N326 1989-1992 Non Turbo 13B----21lbs-------N350 1987-1988 Turbo 13B--------27lbs-------N318 1989-1992 Turbo 13B--------23lbs-------N370 1993-1995 Turbo 13B--------20lbs-------N3A1 Lightweight (Aftermarket) Flywheels Aftermarket lightweight flywheels are a modification that is somewhat of a double edged sword. A heavier flywheel, in general terms, provides a smoother ride, better idle quality and an easier start from stop. A lightweight flywheel requires less energy to get moving which translates to move usable power and a faster run through the rpm range. Downsides that this can be reduced idle quality and some shuttering while driving, especially with ported cars. Can also mean more wear on the clutch due to the change in driving experience from a stop. When buying an aftermarket flywheel, ask your self a few questions: 1. Does the flywheel come with the counterweight? 2. If it does, is it the right weight for what i need? There quite a number of options for all years of the rotary engine. Some will not provide a counterweight with the flywheel. This is an important component since aftermarket flywheels bolt to the counterweight. Now, just because it may come with a counterweight, doesn't mean its even the weight you need. The counterweight is critical to balancing of the rotating assembly and the wrong counterweight can and will attached to your engine, but will not be the proper one to use. The best thing to do is source your own and personally assure that its the one you need. Brands of Flywheels ACT ACT makes a nice flywheel in two different versions, BUT will only work with the turbo transmission. Also source your counterweight elsewhere since they are not well informed that different years require different weights. Streetlite
Fidanza is yet another good option. They do not include the weight of the counterweight in their calculations and require you to source your own counterweight. Lightweight Steel
Guru produces a 4140 Chrome Moly flywheel that is probably the top of the line thing you can buy. It uses a 5.5" style AP, Tilton or Quartermaster clutches. Technical Specifications Flywheel:
10.1 lbs 16lbs OEM Turbo II 27 lbs 44 lbs Racing Beat Racing beat sells an array of flywheels in either steel or aluminum. Their price includes the counterweight specific for your year and model engine! Lightweight Steel
OS Giken http://www.osgiken.net/products/supersingle.html Counterweight Information Identifying Counterweights Series 5/6 (1989-1995) 0.498-0.510 Weight of Counterweights 4.0lbs
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09-26-2008, 10:21 AM | #4 |
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Fluid Types and Capacities
***synthetics are recommended for use in all applications*** Transmissions (manual) 1979-1981 Transmissions: 1.8 qts. (1.7L) 1982-1985 Transmissions: 1.8 qts (1.7L) 1986-1991 Non Turbo Transmissions: 2.1 qts Transmissions (automatic) pre 1985 Japco automatic: 7.9 qts. from empty (7.5L) Differentials 1979-1983 Differentials: 1.25 qts GL-5 SAE 90 1984-1985 Differentials: 1.6 qts GL-5 SAE 90 1986-1991 Non Turbo Differentials (Open): 1.4 qts GL-5 SAE 90 1986-1988 Non Turbo Differentials (Clutch Type LSD): 1.4 qts GL-5 SAE 90 (must have LSD safe additives) 1987-1988 Turbo Differentials (Clutch type LSD): 1.4 qts GL-5 SAE 90 (must have LSD safe additives) 1989-1991 Turbo Differentials (Viscous type LSD): 1.4 qts GL-5 SAE 90
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10-15-2008, 10:28 AM | #5 |
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Troubleshooting (Manual Transmissions)
Q. Abnormal noise from transmission? A. Probable causes: 1. Insufficient oil 2. Deterioration of oil quality 3. Worn bearing 4. Wear of sliding surfaces of counter-shaft gear 5. Wear of sliding surfaces of gears 6. Excessive gear backlash 7. Damaged gear teeth Remedies corresponding to above: 1. Add oil 2. Replace oil 3. Adjust or replace 4. Replace 5. Replace 6. Replace 7. Replace Q. Difficulty shifting? A. Probable causes: 1. Bent change rod 2. No grease in transmission control system 3. Insufficient oil 4. Deterioration of oil quality 5. Wear or play of shift fork / rod 6. Wear or poor contact of synchro ring or synchro cone of gear 7. Excessive play in gears 8. Wear of bearing 9. Wear of synchro key 10. Improper disengagement of clutch Remedies corresponding to above: 1. Replace 2. Add grease 3. Add oil 4. Replace oil 5. Replace 6. Replace 7. Replace 8. Adjust or replace 9. Replace 10. Improper disengagement of clutch Q. Jump out of gear? A. Probable causes: 1. Bent change rod 2. Weak / broken lock-ball spring 3. Wear of shift fork 4. Wear of clutch hub or hub sleeve 5. Wear of gear sliding parts 6. Excessive gear backlash 7. Wear of bearing 8. Loose or broken engine / transmission mounts Remedies corresponding to above: 1. Replace 2. Replace 3. Replace 4. Replace 5. Replace 6. Replace 7. Adjust or replace 8. Fix / Tighten Q. Gear shift lever difficult / rough? A. Probable causes: 1. Sticking control rod 2. Malfunction of ball joint on control rod 3. Bent change rod Remedies corresponding to above: 1. Replace 2. Replace 3. Replace
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Troubleshooting (Auto Transmissions)
Chart of Inspections (w/o disassembly) A. ATF quality B. Range selector linkage C. Inhibitor switch and wiring D. Vacuum diaphragm and piping E. Kickdown solenoid, switch and wiring F. Engine idling speed G. Oil Pressure H. Engine Stall Speed I. Rear lubrication J. Control valve K. Governor valve L.. Band servo M. Transmission air check N. Fluid inspection O. Ign. switch or start motor P. Engine adjustment and brake inspection Chart of Inspections (after disassembly) 1. Rear clutch 2. Front clutch 3. Brake band 4. Low and reverse brake 5. Oil pump 6. Hydraulic circuitry 7. Torque converter one-way clutch 8. Power train one-way clutch 9. Parking gear mechanism 10. Planetary gear ***inspections for probable causes are in order from most likely to least likely*** Q. Engine does not start in "P" or "N" A. Probable causes: O, B, C Q. Engine starts in ranges other than "P" or "N" A. Probable causes: B, C Q. Excessive "N" to "D" range shift shock A. Probable causes: F, D, G, J, 1 Q. Vehicle does not move in "D" but does in "1, 2, R" A. Probable causes: B, G, J, 8 Q. Vehicle does not move in "1, 2, D" but does in "R" / Very poor acceleration A. Probable causes: A, B, N, G, J, M, P, 1, 6, 2 Q. Vehicle does not move in "R" but does in "1, 2, D" / Very poor acceleration A. Probable causes: A, B, G, N, J, M, 4, 2, 1, 6 Q. Vehicle does not move in any range A. Probable causes: A, B, G, N, J, M, 5, 6, 9 Q. Power transmission slippage felt when starting A. Probable causes: A, B, G, N, J, D, M, 5, 6 Q. Vehicle moves in "N" range A. Probable causes: B, N, J, 1 Q. Low max. speed / Poor acceleration A. Probable causes: A, B, N, G, H, L, J, P, 3, 4, 1, 2, 5 Q. Vehicle braked when "R" range selected A. Probable causes: N, M, L, 1, 3, 9 Q. Excessive creep A. Probable causes: F Q. No creep at all A. Probable causes: A, B, F, N, J, 5, 6, 1, 2 Q. Does not shift from 1st to 2nd gear A. Probable causes: B, D, E, N, J, K, M, L, 3, 6 Q. Does not shift from 2nd to 3rd gear A. Probable causes: B, D, E, N, J, K, M, L, 2, 6 Q. Excessively high 1-2, 2-3 shift points A. Probable causes: D, E, G, N, J, K, Q. Shift directly from 1 to 3 A. Probable causes: N, J, M, K, 3, 6 Q. Excessive 1-2 shift shock A. Probable causes: D, H, N, J, L, 3 Q. Excessive 2-3 shift shock A. Probable causes: D, G, J, M, L, 2 Q. No 1-2 shift shock or slippage A. Probable causes: A, B, D, G, N, J, M, L, 3, 6 Q. No 2-3 shift shock or slippage / Engine runaway A. Probable causes: A, B, D, G, N, J, M, L, 2, 6 Q. Vehicle braked when shifted from 1 to 2 A. Probable causes: N, J, 2, 4, 8 Q. Vehicle braked when shifted from 1 to 2 A. Probable causes: N, L, J, 3 Q. Does not shift from 3 to 2 A. Probable causes: D, N, J, K, M, L, 2, 3, 6 Q. Does not shift from 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 A. Probable causes: D, N, J, K, M, L, 3, 8 Q. Shift shock once accelerator is released and vehicle is decelerating A. Probable causes: B, D, E, G, J, K, 2 Q. Excessively high 3-2, 2-1 shift points A. Probable causes: B, D, E, G, J, K, 2 Q. Does not kickdown in 3 within kickdown limit A. Probable causes: E, D, N, J, K, 3, 6 Q. Abnormal rise of engine speed and/or kickdown in 3 outside kickdown limit A. Probable causes: B, D, G, N, J, K, M, 2, 6 Q. Engine runaway or slippage from 3 to 2 A. Probable causes: D, G, N, J, M, L, 2, 3, 6 Q. Does not shift from 3-2, with "D" to "2" range shift A. Probable causes: B, G, N, J, L, 3, 6 Q. Shifts from 2-1 or 2-3 in "2" range A. Probable causes: B, G, J Q. No shift shock / Engine runaway in "1" to "2" range shift A. Probable causes: A, B, D, F, N, J, M, H, 3, 5 Q. No 3-2 shift in "3" to "2" range shift A. Probable causes: B, G, N, J, K, M, L, 2, 3, 6 Q. No engine braking in "1" range A. Probable causes: B, G, N, J, M, 4, 6 Q. Shifts from 1-2 or 2-3 in "1" range A. Probable causes: B, J, 6 Q. Does not shift from 2-1 in "1" range A. Probable causes: A, B, N, J, K, L, M, 4, 6 Q. Excessively large 2-1 shift shock in "1" range A. Probable causes: D, H, N, J, 4 Q. vehicle moves in "P" and/or parking gear not disengaged when "P" range is disengaged A. Probable causes: B, 9 Q. Transmission overheats A. Probable causes: A, I, G, H, N, J, M, L, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10 Q. Oil emission and/or white smoke while running A. Probable causes: A, I, D, N, G, H, J, M, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10 Q. Abnormal odor from oil charging pipes A. Probable causes: A, N, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10 Q. Transmission noisy in "P" and "N" ranges A. Probable causes: A, G, 5 Q. Transmission noisy in "D", "1", "2" and "R" A. Probable causes: A, G, 1, 5, 8, 10
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10-16-2008, 01:21 AM | #8 |
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Rally and Rallycross
I am not including any information on this section for the FD as i have never heard of an FD participating in rallying. Whereas i have seen at least on Rx8 compete, it is still an off the wall concept and not to be covered here. FB Transmissions and Differentials The FB rear axle is as you may know, a solid axle design. A few things to consider:
The best choice is the 84-85 axle due to the stronger design and lends itself to be the most resistance to deformation. As far as the differential goes, there are a few other considerations:
FC Transmissions and Differentials The FC presents an entirely different suspension design. The most important differences is the use of an Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) and the use of Strut / Springs in all corners of the chassis. What does this mean for you?
As far as the differential goes, there are a few other considerations:
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Specific for FC: Can the TurboII transmission aftermarket internals be swapped into the Naturally aspirated transmission case?
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For everything i know about the two transmissions, i dont believe its possible. The "R" type transmission used in the Turbo II has some considerable differences in construction than the smooth case transmissions. So i would have to lean towards a "no" in general. BUT since i have no first hand knowledge i wouldn't rule out a chance that some individual parts might work.
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i might look into it come this spring after i get a house.
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11-15-2008, 01:21 AM | #15 |
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well the whole R type transmission is longer by a couple inches, so its very possible. Plus consider the removable bell housing the smooth case transmissions have. There is plenty of places that differences can occur. I have been thinking about rebuilding my TII trans eventually. I might get down into it and take some measurements. Smooth case trannys are nearly free so when i get one of those ill do the same
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