Diary of a Madman; TitaniumTT's see you @ DGRRXI RE-REbuild

[TitaniumTT]

Touche

Yeah well......................................... at least the blocks are still worth rebuilding when they give it up on a rotary. Show me an LS that can be put back together in a week with a $200 o-ring kit and $160 worth of machining and still put down near 400hp

[hades]

bought my tickets so I'll see you in a little over a month. yeah, yeah - I know flying its for pussies.

[TitaniumTT]

COOL!! As long as you get there I guess. Looks like I'll be picking someone up from CA @ JFK and driving down with him....

[helghast7]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

In the S4 world. I've seen that most of them are pretty much the same. The only difference that I've seen is in the rear harness, some have the rear window wiring, some don't, but as far as I remember, the front and EM harnesses are all the sameeeeeeee.... eeeeeee save the obvious n/a turbo differences.

yea but their vast differences in that harness, which btw after studying the fsm i swear ive found plugs that arent even in the book, it makes no sense

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

sooooooo, you'll be running down to Deals on twins then?

idk man, i wanna go but shits kinda weird with everyone, theirs like little weird stuff goin on, makes things really uncomfortable

but thats not the real thing that would stop me, its all about the money mang, spare funds aint lookin to big at the moment and ive got a lot on my plate, if things simmer down by then i can see myself making it

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Builds boost on it's own.... at least it still works.

well it used to do that, there taking the slow dump so currently their lag monsters and break up on high end so no KIT car for me now

i miss it oh so much

KIT COME BACK!!!!! lol

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

The one thing with installing them in the FC with a standalone, where to get the required signals? I would do a Hall Effect sensor off the driveshaft personally, or some other way other than tapping into the ignition system.

well i know for the fd it uses the spedo sensor and the NSS, idk about the fc since i never had...well anything on that car

i would imagine since CC came on the higher end models that it gets the signal somewere from one of the VSS since at least the s4 uses a real spedo cable, i dont think it would use that

but really thats all you would need to make it a closed system since it has its own little module...unless mazdatrix has been lying to us all these years

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Don't think so. You can usually setup an account before you've finished your car if you think you're going to race.

damn, Dave said mazda comp diff mounts for the FD were the best ones to get and you were the only person i could think of that could get them..i gotta figure this out

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

haahahahahahaahahahaaa..... A) y'all know I would never do a v8 into an FC.... I would swap out for a cosworth, or some exotic boosted 4 clyinder, or a v6 twin turbo... but never an LS.... see below

idk man, if i had the bank i would love to throw a v8 in the ol FC..just not an LS

have you ever heard a 360 modena's 3.6l v8 scream? pure sex

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Steel wheeled? Not stock were they?

ohhh man i used to have those phone dials...god aweful

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I thought the exterior lines of the FD>FC>FB but interior was FD>FB>FC bang for the buck..... well.... none

FD pwns lol

[helghast7]

Originally Posted by hades

I wonder if LS1's have exhaust sleeve issues

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Touche

Yeah well......................................... at least the blocks are still worth rebuilding when they give it up on a rotary. Show me an LS that can be put back together in a week with a $200 o-ring kit and $160 worth of machining and still put down near 400hp

you know its funny you guys brought that up, i always hear this battle about which is better and what not

but i realized after talking with my bosses at my new job that it all kind of evens out in the long run, my boss said that to build his engine how he wants it to make good power would cost him around 30k on just engine related expenses

where i may blow my engine a lot sooner, but i can make power to keep a close race with his car and still have money to rebuild mine at least 3 times with that much money

[2gslse]

Yep the steelies on the FC were stock it was an odd car and pretty early production date IIRC the car didn't even have storage bins or power steering the only thing the car had was cold A/C and radio I dont remember if it had a tape deck or not.

On the CC for the FC I think it is like a FB and the cruise control box recieves its signal through the speedometer in the cluster so without it the system won't work.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by helghast7

idk man, i wanna go but shits kinda weird with everyone, theirs like little weird stuff goin on, makes things really uncomfortable

What? Seriously? PM some stuff... that shut pisses me off.

Originally Posted by helghast7

well it used to do that, there taking the slow dump so currently their lag monsters and break up on high end so no KIT car for me now

i miss it oh so much

KIT COME BACK!!!!! lol

Yeah, don't make the same mistake as me and head out fi you think they're getting ready to puke.... just ain't work swapping turbo's like that. Good news is, if they do puke, BNR is closer than home.... get a little stage 3 on

Originally Posted by helghast7

well i know for the fd it uses the spedo sensor and the NSS, idk about the fc since i never had...well anything on that car

i would imagine since CC came on the higher end models that it gets the signal somewere from one of the VSS since at least the s4 uses a real spedo cable, i dont think it would use that

but really thats all you would need to make it a closed system since it has its own little module...unless mazdatrix has been lying to us all these years

That aftermkt Rostra unit can take just about any speed type sensor. Ignition pickups, speed pickups, halleffect sensors mounted on the driveshaft... whatever. The one problem I have, is the controls are sinfully ugly.

Originally Posted by helghast7

damn, Dave said mazda comp diff mounts for the FD were the best ones to get and you were the only person i could think of that could get them..i gotta figure this out

Mazdatrix or racing beat? I can probably get you a number for them and then throw it into the comp at a regular Mazda-Dealership?

Originally Posted by helghast7

idk man, if i had the bank i would love to throw a v8 in the ol FC..just not an LS

have you ever heard a 360 modena's 3.6l v8 scream? pure sex

Assuming you could get one, do you know how much sex you could buy with about $30k? I'm assuming about $20k for the engine

Originally Posted by helghast7

ohhh man i used to have those phone dials...god aweful
FD pwns lol

Watch it, my FC came with those phonedials back in the day

Originally Posted by helghast7

you know its funny you guys brought that up, i always hear this battle about which is better and what not

but i realized after talking with my bosses at my new job that it all kind of evens out in the long run, my boss said that to build his engine how he wants it to make good power would cost him around 30k on just engine related expenses

where i may blow my engine a lot sooner, but i can make power to keep a close race with his car and still have money to rebuild mine at least 3 times with that much money

For that coin I could have a 700bhp n/a 4 rotor that would kick his little LS's ass

What are we gonna do about these wiper switchs?

Originally Posted by 2gslse

Yep the steelies on the FC were stock it was an odd car and pretty early production date IIRC the car didn't even have storage bins or power steering the only thing the car had was cold A/C and radio I dont remember if it had a tape deck or not.

Seriously? No storage bins and no rear seats... stocker steel wheels.... I'm intriguerd.

Originally Posted by 2gslse

On the CC for the FC I think it is like a FB and the cruise control box recieves its signal through the speedometer in the cluster so without it the system won't work.

I believe it recieves the needed signal off the ignition system. I think the speedo/OD on the FC was all cable driven.

I could be wrong though. Never had cruise, thought about putting it on, grabbed the parts from a pick-'n-pull back in the day, still have them, just never put them on.... now I can't

[vex]

Why not just modify the stock system to use the Rostra unit? That's my plan anyways.

Either that or use an output for a linear actuator for use on the throttle body directly from the ECU. Just need to get the output right to maintain the speed.

[TitaniumTT]

Linear actuators generally require multiple outputs, I wouldn't waste them on an ECU even if the ECU had the capability, which I've never seen one have. The Rostra unit looks like it's totally self-contained, so why mess with it? Give it power, gnd, and a signal and it should be ready to roll.

I know you'll be running a non-stock tb, but wouldn't it be easier to adapt the cable to the tb than go through all the hassles involved with making electronics work together? Ideally the cable would be shorter, and all you'd need is a swedge in the proper spot and you're good to go.... no?

[tweiss3]

Yea, I wouldn't fuck with the stock and trying to hack it together to work with the ecu. Keep it seperate, keep it clean, and it should work better. Their kits are very well put together from what I saw.

[vex]

Eh, it's a long ways off yet. I have other, more important things to deal with before I even get to that step (I've put in a request for Haltech to be able to use the stepper motor function as a cruise control, I don't know how many inputs it will take to use the stock control).

[TitaniumTT]

Stock cruise control is a seperate unit. Feed it a speed or RPM signal and it should work like stock.

Can Haltech even do a DBW?

[vex]

The stock cruise control unit I had ran off vacuum and input from a switch (I don't even think it ran through a computer, but if it did, I doubt it would be good enough now).

I don't know what DBW is. The Haltech has built in stepper motor control (something I have no need of right now, but can be used later for closed loop control of variable length runners or cruise control if they implement the feature)

[TitaniumTT]

DBW = Drive By Wire

[vex]

No. They do not have DBW (yet). Though I imagine it's would not be that hard to implement in the first place. It would be nothing more than accepting an input from a potentiometer and then outputting that input to a stepper motor (it would also eliminate a TPS).