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Old 01-14-2009, 04:38 PM   #1
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what would you recommend for connection between exsisting stock connections (excluding injector clips) in the engine bay and in the cabin? Crimp and heat shrink, crimp, solder, and heat shrink, solder and heat shrink?

For reference, I have an RTek 2.1 and will be doing a turbo 6-port with deleted emissions (6 port will still be functioning via boost control solenoid valve ). I need to replace most of the clips in the engine bay as they have fallen apart, not necessarily the electrical connections, though the wires themselves are becoming quite stiff. So if the terminals are unable to be sourced I imagine I'll have to attach them using a portion of the old harness. Too whit, I plan on running the LC1 through the same cannon plug as the engine harness thus eliminating alot of headache trying to unhook multiple things all at once.

Would including stock style connections for the injecotrs, water temp, and the other thing that escapes my mind at the moment (helps control idle depending on water temp, it's a cylinder on the back side of the intake with a similar style connection as the injectors though they come with an off centered key) be possible?
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what would you recommend for connection between exsisting stock connections (excluding injector clips) in the engine bay and in the cabin? Crimp and heat shrink, crimp, solder, and heat shrink, solder and heat shrink?

For reference, I have an RTek 2.1 and will be doing a turbo 6-port with deleted emissions (6 port will still be functioning via boost control solenoid valve ). I need to replace most of the clips in the engine bay as they have fallen apart, not necessarily the electrical connections, though the wires themselves are becoming quite stiff. So if the terminals are unable to be sourced I imagine I'll have to attach them using a portion of the old harness. Too whit, I plan on running the LC1 through the same cannon plug as the engine harness thus eliminating alot of headache trying to unhook multiple things all at once.

Would including stock style connections for the injecotrs, water temp, and the other thing that escapes my mind at the moment (helps control idle depending on water temp, it's a cylinder on the back side of the intake with a similar style connection as the injectors though they come with an off centered key) be possible?

In this case, if I have to use stock pigtails, I like to solder the joint and cover it in heat shrink. It's best to have several inches of pigtail. You don't want a solder joint right at the connector.

It might be better for you to just start with a new stock harness. What I deal with is custom harnesses for aftermarket engine management. So starting out you're dealing with alternate components...everything is new. I've worked with enough stock harnesses to know they're one big failure (really worse, several small failures) waiting to happen. Finding enough good pigtails out a worn stock harness will be a chore.

Starting with a fresh harness will ensure you a get a reliable finished product. It's easy enough to eliminate the circuits not being used to tidy of the harness. Hate to see you invest time and money in something that's failure prone.
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In this case, if I have to use stock pigtails, I like to solder the joint and cover it in heat shrink. It's best to have several inches of pigtail. You don't want a solder joint right at the connector.

It might be better for you to just start with a new stock harness. What I deal with is custom harnesses for aftermarket engine management. So starting out you're dealing with alternate components...everything is new. I've worked with enough stock harnesses to know they're one big failure (really worse, several small failures) waiting to happen. Finding enough good pigtails out a worn stock harness will be a chore.

Starting with a fresh harness will ensure you a get a reliable finished product. It's easy enough to eliminate the circuits not being used to tidy of the harness. Hate to see you invest time and money in something that's failure prone.
It's just not monetarially worth putting out for a brand new stock harness since a majority of the plugs I won't be using. (I'm removing emissions so all the plugs that go to the solenoids will be of little consequence, also the EGR valve is already removed and will still need a wire to use the RTEk's RPM trigger. I don't mind using the harnesses stock electrical connections as those are in still great shape. The connections I really need to replace are the injector clips and the water temp (though I think the water temp connection maybe fine). Also the idle control valve (I think that's what it's called) clip is currently fine, but if I i'm going to replace all the similar clips I might as well replace that one too.

I understand your building custom harnesses and think it will work fine, especially if the only thing I would need would be a certain number of wires passing through the cannon plug and a certain amount of feet on either end. Given just that (wires and the cannon plug--lets say anywhere from 30-40 wires passed through the cannon plug)how much would the cost be? I understand cannon plugs can be rather expensive as are the tools for it. so for the harness like I just described above how much would it cost?
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It's just not monetarially worth putting out for a brand new stock harness since a majority of the plugs I won't be using. (I'm removing emissions so all the plugs that go to the solenoids will be of little consequence, also the EGR valve is already removed and will still need a wire to use the RTEk's RPM trigger. I don't mind using the harnesses stock electrical connections as those are in still great shape. The connections I really need to replace are the injector clips and the water temp (though I think the water temp connection maybe fine). Also the idle control valve (I think that's what it's called) clip is currently fine, but if I i'm going to replace all the similar clips I might as well replace that one too.

I understand your building custom harnesses and think it will work fine, especially if the only thing I would need would be a certain number of wires passing through the cannon plug and a certain amount of feet on either end. Given just that (wires and the cannon plug--lets say anywhere from 30-40 wires passed through the cannon plug)how much would the cost be? I understand cannon plugs can be rather expensive as are the tools for it. so for the harness like I just described above how much would it cost?
I normally charge $300 to complete a flying lead harness. This involves a little more work and I assume that we would be supplying the materials as far as the bulkhead connector and wire. If you have a preference for material I'd need to know that. There's a big price difference between regular PVC hookup wire and something like Tefzel. The plug itself, as you probably know, will be a large chunk of the expense.

So, as an estimate, about $400 for the labor and parts plus the cost of the bulkhead connector.
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