Diary of a Madman; TitaniumTT's see you @ DGRRXI RE-REbuild

[RENESISFD]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Or pedestrians in Manhattan.... Full throttle through 1st pop off the rev limiter and watch people jump for cover... I'm such a dick sometimes

I absolutely love doing that. The effect is magnified by the echoing off of the buildings.

[RXtacy]

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Thanks! I might do that lol. I'd like to build a new one and move the wastegates like yours if I can, and also move my EGT sensors back a tad. I think they're contacting flame because they act funny sometimes, especially when doing a road trip down the highway.

I like your progress. I wish I had time to work on mine these days lol.

I happen to know a guy who has a jig for said manifold for the FD...

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by JhnRX7

Have you ever had any open tip sensors fail? how many miles have you put on them?

I can't remember if I replaced those sensors when I rebuilt the engine or the mani.... so somewhere between 5 and 14k miles. And I've never had one fail either and I was seeing EGT's hit 1900 with the BNR's before I really tuned them and turned the boost down.

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank

Sometimes?

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

I absolutely love doing that. The effect is magnified by the echoing off of the buildings.

It is sooooo much fun

Originally Posted by RXtacy

I happen to know a guy who has a jig for said manifold for the FD...

Bigger turbo... may not fit.... BIG EFR turbo...

[RXtacy]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Bigger turbo... may not fit.... BIG EFR turbo...

IIRC he has the smaller EFR.

[TitaniumTT]

He does, but the ERF's are still physically bigger than most Garretts.

[RENESISFD]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

We have a problem..... be a man and get rid of that turbo drain HOSE and make it a hardline. Come on, if you are gonna do it, you might as well do it right. I should not have to tell you these things


I like the tubing clamp. What is your source for them?


Also, regarding your discolored wastegate... were they always water cooled or did you add that at a later date? Mine have like 6k mi. and a track day and are not discolored like that at all.

For Diff and trans temp sensor I used the simple AEM temp sensor http://www.lms-efi.com/sunshop/index...t_detail&p=146

[JhnRX7]

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

For Diff and trans temp sensor I used the simple AEM temp sensor http://www.lms-efi.com/sunshop/index...t_detail&p=146

So how did you setup the sensor with the Haltech seeing as the sensor is not linear and the Haltech apparently does not have enough resolution to accommodate it?

[RENESISFD]

There is IIRC 5 refrence points. so I did the calibration using a spread of temps I think the temp sensor would see. (EX. 30 degrees to 250 degrees F) to get the best resolution at the temps I would normally see. It may not be perfect but IMO it is close enough.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

We have a problem..... be a man and get rid of that turbo drain HOSE and make it a hardline. Come on, if you are gonna do it, you might as well do it right. I should not have to tell you these things

Oh shit! REALLY?!?! I thought about it... but in the end decided against it for a number of reasons. 1 being I can't get the turbo separated from the mani while in the car. So I need to pull them as a unit and it BARELY fits. Plus it's easier to work with. I did order the correct color fitting and some heat sleeving though

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

I like the tubing clamp. What is your source for them?

Cheers. I get them through Verocious and Summit and Goodridge. Mainly through Verocious though.... I ordered a bunch for my boost lines to the WG. Swappinga few fittings on the WG's then first order of business when I get back is the WG lines themselves.... soooo I Should probably order my valves from MSC today....

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

Also, regarding your discolored wastegate... were they always water cooled or did you add that at a later date? Mine have like 6k mi. and a track day and are not discolored like that at all.

They've never been watercooled before. I'm doing it BECAUSE of that discoloration.

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

For Diff and trans temp sensor I used the simple AEM temp sensor http://www.lms-efi.com/sunshop/index...t_detail&p=146

Kewl, thanks... I'll check into the MoTeC software when I get back.

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

There is IIRC 5 refrence points. so I did the calibration using a spread of temps I think the temp sensor would see. (EX. 30 degrees to 250 degrees F) to get the best resolution at the temps I would normally see. It may not be perfect but IMO it is close enough.

Yeah.... it is 5 points. I was trying to use the AEM sensors for MAP. It wasn't good....

[speedjunkie]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I was trying to find a small enough cut out valve to use with the WG;s..... best of both worlds. But they're huge, both in length and in diameter. I never found one that would work.

What is a cut out valve?

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Or pedestrians in Manhattan.... Full throttle through 1st pop off the rev limiter and watch people jump for cover... I'm such a dick sometimes

I might have to agree with Gunny lol. I do think it would be hilarious to see people jump for cover though.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

It is... it's horrible especially where we have our mani's placed. If we mounted them further forward and higher, it would exponentially easier

Agreed. But I do love the short runners.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I've seen cars, my own included just get hotter and hotter and hotter the longer they cruise. For this reason I said fuck it and just ran mine @ 12.5:1 and slightly leaner in cruise. I still get close to 20 mpg too but the EGT's are much much lower after extended times cruising. If they're close to each other in temp, I'm inclined to say they they're working ok, even if you are seein EGT's that high... it's when they've always been a few degrees off and then they suddenly spike to a few hundred degrees difference that it makes me think that they are acting up.

Give the guys over at Exhaust Gas Technologies a shout, they have some really thick open tipped sensors that can withstand rotary heat.

I still need to get the Adaptronic sorted out before I do any changes to where the EGT sensors are mounted. I think the cruising AFRs I usually see on the PFC are around 14s though, IIRC. I'm trying to remember if they both read super high while on the highway or just one of them. It's been since April so I really don't remember.

Ok I'll check them out. Thanks!

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I start getting ready for Deals Gap 11 months before its on again..... I love that show. Are you planning on making a trip out this year Eric?

Nah I don't think I'll make it this year. But some other guys here in CO have talked about driving out.

Originally Posted by RXtacy

I happen to know a guy who has a jig for said manifold for the FD...

Hmmmmmm, that sounds tempting haha.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Bigger turbo... may not fit.... BIG EFR turbo...

I have the 7670. I'm not sure how it compares in size to a Garrett. I just know that with how short my runners are, and since I have my LIM spaced out about 1/8" due to the fuel rails pressing against each other, it really cramps the space. At least I don't have the wastegate actuator on mine so that saves some room. It should be somewhat comparable to a Garrett I believe. Depending on how much it would cost, I'd think about just paying you guys to build one and see how it fits when I get it lol. I also thought about trying to pick up a cheap, used HKS cast manifold to see how it would fit.

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

We have a problem..... be a man and get rid of that turbo drain HOSE and make it a hardline. Come on, if you are gonna do it, you might as well do it right. I should not have to tell you these things

I actually thought about that myself. I'd like to do all that, and thought about trying a hardline for the oil drain also.

Originally Posted by RENESISFD

Also, regarding your discolored wastegate... were they always water cooled or did you add that at a later date? Mine have like 6k mi. and a track day and are not discolored like that at all.

Yeah I have the MV-S wastegates in black and mine have never discolored like that. Mine has been all street driving though. Either way, I still want to run coolant to them with hard lines lol.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

What is a cut out valve?

Those electronic bypass valves, the y-type that you plumb in with the exaust to go from full loud to full muffled.... I would like to run one on the 'vert but the sizes are just all wrong... so that will be the quiet car.... well..... as quiet as it can be with a 4" downpipe

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I might have to agree with Gunny lol. I do think it would be hilarious to see people jump for cover though.

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Agreed. But I do love the short runners.

Yeah... that's why I went through all the trouble and new it was going to be a PITA but... made it work, barely... everything is so damn crammed in there.

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I still need to get the Adaptronic sorted out before I do any changes to where the EGT sensors are mounted. I think the cruising AFRs I usually see on the PFC are around 14s though, IIRC. I'm trying to remember if they both read super high while on the highway or just one of them. It's been since April so I really don't remember.

Ok I'll check them out. Thanks!

Yeah... unless you jack the hell out of the timing, just richen it up a bit. Low 13's in cruise. I run 12.5:1 and up in cruise. I still get close to 20 mpg if I behave and its a lot happier. The EGT's are LOW in cruise which I like because I do so much highway driving.... 250 miles, turn it off for 10 minutes, 250 more miles etc etc....

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Nah I don't think I'll make it this year. But some other guys here in CO have talked about driving out.

DO IT! Someone needs a co-pilot! Or fly into NYC and I'll pick you up... one of my drivers may be fagging out

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Hmmmmmm, that sounds tempting haha.



I have the 7670. I'm not sure how it compares in size to a Garrett. I just know that with how short my runners are, and since I have my LIM spaced out about 1/8" due to the fuel rails pressing against each other, it really cramps the space. At least I don't have the wastegate actuator on mine so that saves some room. It should be somewhat comparable to a Garrett I believe. Depending on how much it would cost, I'd think about just paying you guys to build one and see how it fits when I get it lol. I also thought about trying to pick up a cheap, used HKS cast manifold to see how it would fit.

We have the Jig, I just don't know about fitment with your turbo... that's what worries me.

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I actually thought about that myself. I'd like to do all that, and thought about trying a hardline for the oil drain also.



Yeah I have the MV-S wastegates in black and mine have never discolored like that. Mine has been all street driving though. Either way, I still want to run coolant to them with hard lines lol.

At the minimum I would need a new bender and a length of tubing. It could be done, but I would rather focus time and energies else where. Plus getting the turbo in and out or the line on or off would be a rage inducing exercise. As it is with the softline it's still a monster PITA, I don't want to know what a hardline would be like.... eff that noise....

[JL1RX7]

Or the DC area, someone will be able to give you a ride.

[speedjunkie]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Those electronic bypass valves, the y-type that you plumb in with the exaust to go from full loud to full muffled.... I would like to run one on the 'vert but the sizes are just all wrong... so that will be the quiet car.... well..... as quiet as it can be with a 4" downpipe

I don't think I've ever seen those. That's interesting.

Originally Posted by JL1RX7

Or the DC area, someone will be able to give you a ride.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

DO IT! Someone needs a co-pilot! Or fly into NYC and I'll pick you up... one of my drivers may be fagging out

Well I'm not sure I'll have time anyway. I'm supposed to be deploying this summer or fall, or maybe even spring. I'm not sure when or if it will even happen. I'd hopefully have the car finished again and ready to drive. If I would go to DGRR I'd be bringing the car for sure lol. Thanks for the offer though guys!

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

We have the Jig, I just don't know about fitment with your turbo... that's what worries me.

Oh I know what you mean, I'm just curious if it's really that much bigger, if at all, and depending on price it might be worth it. One thing that's always bothered me about my manifold is that the turbo cants forward 5 degrees. So basically the front of the turbo sits lower than the rear of the turbo, by 5 degrees. I've always wondered if it was a problem because at a certain speed it will get a harmonic resonance, or so it sounds to me. But as friends have said, at least when I'm stomping on it it will be sitting more level lol.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

At the minimum I would need a new bender and a length of tubing. It could be done, but I would rather focus time and energies else where. Plus getting the turbo in and out or the line on or off would be a rage inducing exercise. As it is with the softline it's still a monster PITA, I don't want to know what a hardline would be like.... eff that noise....

Yeah I hear ya. I'm just getting crazy with the idea of all the places this line could be run lol.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by JL1RX7

Or the DC area, someone will be able to give you a ride.

That... but I may need someone up in the CT area

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I don't think I've ever seen those. That's interesting.

These guys.... http://quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/

THe muscle car guys usually use them but it could be used for a recirc as well.... they're just not made small enough... oh well... the 'vert will be quiet.

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Well I'm not sure I'll have time anyway. I'm supposed to be deploying this summer or fall, or maybe even spring. I'm not sure when or if it will even happen. I'd hopefully have the car finished again and ready to drive. If I would go to DGRR I'd be bringing the car for sure lol. Thanks for the offer though guys!

Gotcha! It was cool seeing ya last year though... even if just for a gas stop

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Oh I know what you mean, I'm just curious if it's really that much bigger, if at all, and depending on price it might be worth it. One thing that's always bothered me about my manifold is that the turbo cants forward 5 degrees. So basically the front of the turbo sits lower than the rear of the turbo, by 5 degrees. I've always wondered if it was a problem because at a certain speed it will get a harmonic resonance, or so it sounds to me. But as friends have said, at least when I'm stomping on it it will be sitting more level lol.

Yeah.... 5* isn't going to make a difference at all.... I wouldn't worry about that. It's tough in the FD's though... they want to be longer and farther forward which makes for routing DP's much easier. The more centered they are, generally the higher they need to be, which makes it a PITA to recirc WG's.... compromises I guess.... wait... fuck compromises....

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

Yeah I hear ya. I'm just getting crazy with the idea of all the places this line could be run lol.

Dude... Colin used them for his vac lines!

[JL1RX7]

Hey you know I head down a few days earlier. It doesn't matter what I drive. I has spares in every state I live in!