Getting the car on the road

GeneralPatton · 08-25-2010, 10:10 AM

Emissions test huh?

Why dont you stop farting while you are in the car.

Boosted FC · 08-25-2010, 10:13 AM

Why hasn't this guy been banned yet? Phil, Kevin?

RotorDad · 08-25-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted FC

Why hasn't this guy been banned yet? Phil, Kevin?

Ignore the assbag, these fools like the attention!

GeneralPatton · 08-26-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RotorDad

Ignore the assbag, these fools like the attention!

Haha. Shel should already know that

Boosted FC · 08-26-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneralPatton

Haha. Shel should already know that

lol, unfortunately I do

tweiss3 · 09-08-2010, 05:48 PM

Ok, got it on the road just fine. Ran a full tank and a half of fresh fuel. Tried to e-check it today (emissions in ohio) and I failed:

As you can see, Im fine on CO and NO, but my hydrocarbons are only slightly over. Anyone have any idea on what to do to it to make it pass. Fresh fuel, new remanned air pump, new plugs, new wires (ngk only) and it is getting about 140 miles to half a tank. Its NA and the only thing i didn't replace was the air filter. What do you guys think?

NoDOHC · 09-08-2010, 10:19 PM

Unfortunately, this looks like your catalytic converter is weak or you are misfiring at idle.

Do you have the entire emission run printout so that we can see if it cleans up after going closed loop?

You are very close, I have seen people get a pass after a fail like that just from taking the car around the block and getting it good and warm.

You can try the 2-3 gallons of e85, it helped mine years ago.

Be careful about too much E85 (don't ask, sore subject).

Hydrocarbons are the rotary nemesis when it comes to emission testing.

tweiss3 · 09-09-2010, 05:08 AM

Unfortunately that is the only print out i get. If the catalytic converters are not up to par since they are the origionals, would this magnaflow direct fit work? here It eliminates the precat and add it to the main cat. Summit has it for 200, or i got a quote for 300 to get it installed at this shop. That 300 would put me in the category that if i didn't pass i could get exempt. My issue is I shopped around and nobody has the OEM at all.

tweiss3 · 09-09-2010, 05:08 AM

Also, there is no E85 around here that I know, would adding something like "heat" to this next tank work?

tweiss3 · 09-09-2010, 02:39 PM

well, running out of time, i wen ahead and ordered the 2 to 1 cat direct fit. 220 with tax, which will either pass me, or get me a hell of a lot closer to the waiver.

NoDOHC · 09-09-2010, 07:32 PM

Yeah, the 'heat' is methanol which is very similar to the ethanol in e85.

Either way it is oxygenated fuel.

The new cat will likely fix your problem, but the rotary EGT will melt it into a glob of metal in about 2,000 miles if it is tuned correctly. You might want to find a way to put the stock ones back on after the test.

tweiss3 · 09-09-2010, 08:38 PM

I plan on removing the cat itself and inserting a resonated test pipe. Fresh hardware and such so that going back to emissions mode is easy.

NoDOHC · 09-09-2010, 10:44 PM

That works too (although I wasn't going to be the one to suggest it).

I had cats on my car until I found that they melted down almost immediately if I left them on, then I just put them on to pass emissions.

They did away with emissions here, so it isn't an issue any more.

tweiss3 · 09-10-2010, 05:17 AM

Well, i have to pass now, then in january cause of some dumb loophole shit they have in the regulations. Im not about to drop that kind of money on cats twice

NoDOHC · 09-10-2010, 10:22 PM

If you leave the stock ECU in and don't change the fueling, your cats will probably be ok until January. My issue was that I was running 16:1 AFR while cruising.

I could meet emissions with my standalone, but I couldn't afford the 10 mpg penalty that I would take to do so.

08-25-2010, 10:13 AM	#17
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09-08-2010, 05:48 PM	#21
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	Ok, got it on the road just fine. Ran a full tank and a half of fresh fuel. Tried to e-check it today (emissions in ohio) and I failed: As you can see, Im fine on CO and NO, but my hydrocarbons are only slightly over. Anyone have any idea on what to do to it to make it pass. Fresh fuel, new remanned air pump, new plugs, new wires (ngk only) and it is getting about 140 miles to half a tank. Its NA and the only thing i didn't replace was the air filter. What do you guys think? __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

09-08-2010, 10:19 PM	#22
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	Unfortunately, this looks like your catalytic converter is weak or you are misfiring at idle. Do you have the entire emission run printout so that we can see if it cleans up after going closed loop? You are very close, I have seen people get a pass after a fail like that just from taking the car around the block and getting it good and warm. You can try the 2-3 gallons of e85, it helped mine years ago. Be careful about too much E85 (don't ask, sore subject). Hydrocarbons are the rotary nemesis when it comes to emission testing. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

09-09-2010, 05:08 AM	#23
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	Unfortunately that is the only print out i get. If the catalytic converters are not up to par since they are the origionals, would this magnaflow direct fit work? here It eliminates the precat and add it to the main cat. Summit has it for 200, or i got a quote for 300 to get it installed at this shop. That 300 would put me in the category that if i didn't pass i could get exempt. My issue is I shopped around and nobody has the OEM at all. __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

09-09-2010, 05:08 AM	#24
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	Also, there is no E85 around here that I know, would adding something like "heat" to this next tank work? __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

08-25-2010, 10:10 AM	#16
GeneralPatton The Newbie Join Date: Aug 2010 iTrader: (0) Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Emissions test huh? Why dont you stop farting while you are in the car.

09-09-2010, 02:39 PM	#25
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	well, running out of time, i wen ahead and ordered the 2 to 1 cat direct fit. 220 with tax, which will either pass me, or get me a hell of a lot closer to the waiver. __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

09-09-2010, 07:32 PM	#26
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	Yeah, the 'heat' is methanol which is very similar to the ethanol in e85. Either way it is oxygenated fuel. The new cat will likely fix your problem, but the rotary EGT will melt it into a glob of metal in about 2,000 miles if it is tuned correctly. You might want to find a way to put the stock ones back on after the test. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

09-09-2010, 08:38 PM	#27
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	I plan on removing the cat itself and inserting a resonated test pipe. Fresh hardware and such so that going back to emissions mode is easy. __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

09-09-2010, 10:44 PM	#28
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	That works too (although I wasn't going to be the one to suggest it). I had cats on my car until I found that they melted down almost immediately if I left them on, then I just put them on to pass emissions. They did away with emissions here, so it isn't an issue any more. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

09-10-2010, 05:17 AM	#29
tweiss3 Mazda Lover Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Akron, Ohio iTrader: (0) Posts: 319 Rep Power: 15	Well, i have to pass now, then in january cause of some dumb loophole shit they have in the regulations. Im not about to drop that kind of money on cats twice __________________ 2004 Mazda6 V6 5-spd - still waiting on money for a motor 1991 Mazda RX7 NA 5-spd - my new DD with 145,000 miles

09-10-2010, 10:22 PM	#30
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin iTrader: (1) Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	If you leave the stock ECU in and don't change the fueling, your cats will probably be ok until January. My issue was that I was running 16:1 AFR while cruising. I could meet emissions with my standalone, but I couldn't afford the 10 mpg penalty that I would take to do so. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)