12a to 13b

sikest1 · 10-03-2009, 01:11 AM

So I'm going to drop a built 4-port into my gsl any thing in peticular I should watch out for. like what happens to the coolant wash? and should I keep the A/C or do I give up the creature comforts for weight loss? BTW this is going to be my personal car no plans for the track, though I may want to teach some punks a lesson

Whizbang · 10-03-2009, 01:22 AM

not familiar with "coolant wash".

Basically to use the front mounts found on a 12a (or 13b gslse) on a later model 13b your going to need a GSLSE oil pan and a 12a or 13b gslse front cover. This will pretty much allow the whole deal to bolt into the car. Now, if you have an originally 12a equipped car, the subframe is slightly different than the 13b GSLSE. This is to account for the size of the engine. So to make sure your transmission lines back up, you can bend the engine mount member by putting the tabs on the ends in a vise and bending them. I cant recall exactly what they need to be pushed out to though. Also a small section will need to be cut out to clear the corner of the engine.

this is how it was done on my car. s4 13b with a 12a front cover, crossmember and engine mount bracket.

sikest1 · 10-03-2009, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravity Fed

not familiar with "coolant wash".

Basically to use the front mounts found on a 12a (or 13b gslse) on a later model 13b your going to need a GSLSE oil pan and a 12a or 13b gslse front cover. This will pretty much allow the whole deal to bolt into the car. Now, if you have an originally 12a equipped car, the subframe is slightly different than the 13b GSLSE. This is to account for the size of the engine. So to make sure your transmission lines back up, you can bend the engine mount member by putting the tabs on the ends in a vise and bending them. I cant recall exactly what they need to be pushed out to though. Also a small section will need to be cut out to clear the corner of the engine.

this is how it was done on my car. s4 13b with a 12a front cover, crossmember and engine mount bracket.

the engine was in an 85 GS so I'm hoping that it will just drop in but now I am going to keep a close eye on the forementioned possible differences.

j_tso · 10-03-2009, 01:54 AM

I'd keep the AC, especially if it's a personal car. The OE bracket should fit in the original position.

Whizbang · 10-03-2009, 08:24 AM

you can use either the old heavy cast 12a bracket and accessories or the lighter and possibly in better condition later 13b parts can be used.

Whizbang · 10-03-2009, 08:32 AM

its not going to drop straight in without those tweaks, but its close enough where it should only take so much fussing to make it work. Ill see if i can pull up the measurements i used to bend them.

sikest1 · 10-03-2009, 08:34 AM

the engine I am putting in is a dual weber carb setup, over the winter I'd like to rebuild them do you know where I can find the specs or rebuild kits? and where can I find a wideband setup there is a port for it near my cat

Whizbang · 10-03-2009, 08:37 AM

found it. You need to move the holes for the engine mounts around 20mm towards the rear from where they are at currently.

RotaryProphet · 10-03-2009, 10:57 AM

Don't forget you'll also need a 12a or GSL-SE oil pickup tube when you swap the oil pan.

Whizbang · 10-03-2009, 02:01 PM

thought i was missing something there.

sikest1 · 10-03-2009, 06:54 PM

10-03-2009, 01:11 AM	#1
sikest1 pwrdbyrotorcuzpistnsrweak Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cambridge, On iTrader: (0) Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	12a to 13b So I'm going to drop a built 4-port into my gsl any thing in peticular I should watch out for. like what happens to the coolant wash? and should I keep the A/C or do I give up the creature comforts for weight loss? BTW this is going to be my personal car no plans for the track, though I may want to teach some punks a lesson

10-03-2009, 01:22 AM	#2
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	not familiar with "coolant wash". Basically to use the front mounts found on a 12a (or 13b gslse) on a later model 13b your going to need a GSLSE oil pan and a 12a or 13b gslse front cover. This will pretty much allow the whole deal to bolt into the car. Now, if you have an originally 12a equipped car, the subframe is slightly different than the 13b GSLSE. This is to account for the size of the engine. So to make sure your transmission lines back up, you can bend the engine mount member by putting the tabs on the ends in a vise and bending them. I cant recall exactly what they need to be pushed out to though. Also a small section will need to be cut out to clear the corner of the engine. this is how it was done on my car. s4 13b with a 12a front cover, crossmember and engine mount bracket. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-03-2009, 08:24 AM	#5
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	you can use either the old heavy cast 12a bracket and accessories or the lighter and possibly in better condition later 13b parts can be used. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-03-2009, 08:32 AM	#6
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	its not going to drop straight in without those tweaks, but its close enough where it should only take so much fussing to make it work. Ill see if i can pull up the measurements i used to bend them. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-03-2009, 08:37 AM	#8
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	found it. You need to move the holes for the engine mounts around 20mm towards the rear from where they are at currently. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-03-2009, 01:54 AM	#4
j_tso Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 65 Rep Power: 17	I'd keep the AC, especially if it's a personal car. The OE bracket should fit in the original position.

10-03-2009, 08:34 AM	#7
sikest1 pwrdbyrotorcuzpistnsrweak Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cambridge, On iTrader: (0) Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	the engine I am putting in is a dual weber carb setup, over the winter I'd like to rebuild them do you know where I can find the specs or rebuild kits? and where can I find a wideband setup there is a port for it near my cat

10-03-2009, 10:57 AM	#9
RotaryProphet Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 147 Rep Power: 17	Don't forget you'll also need a 12a or GSL-SE oil pickup tube when you swap the oil pan.

10-03-2009, 02:01 PM	#10
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp iTrader: (5) Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	thought i was missing something there. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-03-2009, 06:54 PM	#11
sikest1 pwrdbyrotorcuzpistnsrweak Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Cambridge, On iTrader: (0) Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	Thanx, I appreciate all the input.