Another starting issue...

***Herblenny*** · 06-29-2008, 08:13 AM

Man, I'm getting pretty sick of this car!!!

I'm starting to have starting issue again.

When starting the in the morning, the engine will spin over but doesn't catch/fire. After about 5-10 seconds, it will catch and idle. Well, this issue has gotten worse and now when engine fires up, the idle will hunt and rpm will drop and just die.

When the engine is warm, car usually starts fine. But now this has gotten slightly worse over past 7 days.

I've tried with FD sparks and first installed, it cranked right up. But as I started to drive around and such, the problem increased. I just can't seem to figure out whats wrong.. The coils are less then 5k miles (3 months old), Wires are also 3 months old, Sparks have less than 5K (3.5 months old), and HKS twin power didn't make much of a difference.

Personally, what I know about Rotaries, I don't think its the short block as it has power and idles fine when it starts. I feel like its something to do with the computer or ignition system..

Anyone who has an idea about this, I would greatly appreciate it.. Or help me troubleshoot.

I8U · 06-29-2008, 01:16 PM

Have the PCM checked out by the dealer...mine went bad a few months when I had all the same issues you are now having.

***Herblenny*** · 06-30-2008, 08:39 AM

Hmm.. Well, I'm hoping to take it in tomorrow morning or something this week..

***Herblenny*** · 06-30-2008, 08:24 PM

Well, I took the car apart after work today and I think I found few little issues..

One I found that the screws holding the Map sensor to the intake was loose. The plastic was stripped and I think air was leaking in. I also noticed that the O ring was kind of bad. I got a larger screw and when bolted in, It made a difference in start up. But the idle was still shitty.

I'm still taking the car to the dealership in the morning.. I guess I'll let them take a look and see what they tell me... I have some new sparks coming in!

***Herblenny*** · 07-01-2008, 09:33 AM

Brought the car into Trussville Mazda.. Got a loaner Mazda 6 and its pretty damn comfy!

I talked to the rotary tech and mentioned to him what I did.. He's going to plug in the computer and going to let me know today!

My5ABaby · 07-01-2008, 09:45 AM

Mazda 6's rock.

I8U · 07-01-2008, 12:37 PM

In what world!?!

My5ABaby · 07-01-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by I8U

In what world!?!

In the sedan world.

Phoenix7 · 07-01-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by My5ABaby

In the fwd sedan world.

fixxored

It might be a great grocery getter. What's the MPG?

Also, looks like herb needs another car.

SPICcnmFD · 07-01-2008, 12:55 PM

Thats what I got, a red, with cloth interior, auto with about 3k on it. It actually rode better than my MS6, but that was pretty much all I liked about it more.

My5ABaby · 07-01-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SPICcnmFD

Thats what I got, a red, with cloth interior, auto with about 3k on it. It actually rode better than my MS6, but that was pretty much all I liked about it more.

Auto's suck.

My brother has the 4cyl but auto and mines manual... mine rocks his all over the road. The MS6 looks great, but I already have a sports car so I figured I'd get something I could haul a couple things in and get great gas mileage.

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Originally Posted by phoenix7

fixxored

It might be a great grocery getter. What's the MPG?

Also, looks like herb needs another car.

Like I said, it's a good sedan. By that, yeah, it's a great grocery getter and all around car. I get about 29-30 combined mpg in the 4cyl manual.

SPICcnmFD · 07-03-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by My5ABaby

Auto's suck.

My brother has the 4cyl but auto and mines manual... mine rocks his all over the road. The MS6 looks great, but I already have a sports car so I figured I'd get something I could haul a couple things in and get great gas mileage.

I wasn't impressed with the auto at all. It wouldn't stay in gear when I'd used the bump shift crap, it would either shift up or down so it seemed pretty worthless to me.

That's the main reason I got the MS6, cheaper(cause they never brought sticker price), 4-door, has good power for a sedan, 6-speed, loaded, gets 25-27mpg to/from work depending on how I drive it. I didn't get it for performance, I just figured if I need to get a 4-door I might as well get one thats kinda peppy. I'd much rather have a BMW 3-series but for the price of a MS6 it's hard to find a car that offers as much as it does.

***Herblenny*** · 07-01-2008, 02:12 PM

I just got a call back from Trussville Mazda.. They said the fuel pump might be bad... So, they are ordering one and install it tomorrow.. even though i could do that, I prefer not to touch the 8 for awhile

And I get to keep the 6 for another day!! Yeah!! LOL!

Phoenix7 · 07-01-2008, 03:58 PM

damn, I don't trust dealerships. You're documenting all the things that they say can be wrong so at least we'll know in the end.

Phoenix7 · 07-01-2008, 06:50 PM

30 mpg isn't bad at all. Bet you're loving it right now.

06-29-2008, 08:13 AM	#1
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Another starting issue... Man, I'm getting pretty sick of this car!!! I'm starting to have starting issue again. When starting the in the morning, the engine will spin over but doesn't catch/fire. After about 5-10 seconds, it will catch and idle. Well, this issue has gotten worse and now when engine fires up, the idle will hunt and rpm will drop and just die. When the engine is warm, car usually starts fine. But now this has gotten slightly worse over past 7 days. I've tried with FD sparks and first installed, it cranked right up. But as I started to drive around and such, the problem increased. I just can't seem to figure out whats wrong.. The coils are less then 5k miles (3 months old), Wires are also 3 months old, Sparks have less than 5K (3.5 months old), and HKS twin power didn't make much of a difference. Personally, what I know about Rotaries, I don't think its the short block as it has power and idles fine when it starts. I feel like its something to do with the computer or ignition system.. Anyone who has an idea about this, I would greatly appreciate it.. Or help me troubleshoot. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

06-29-2008, 01:16 PM	#2
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06-30-2008, 08:39 AM	#3
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Hmm.. Well, I'm hoping to take it in tomorrow morning or something this week.. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

06-30-2008, 08:24 PM	#4
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Well, I took the car apart after work today and I think I found few little issues.. One I found that the screws holding the Map sensor to the intake was loose. The plastic was stripped and I think air was leaking in. I also noticed that the O ring was kind of bad. I got a larger screw and when bolted in, It made a difference in start up. But the idle was still shitty. I'm still taking the car to the dealership in the morning.. I guess I'll let them take a look and see what they tell me... I have some new sparks coming in! __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

07-01-2008, 09:33 AM	#5
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Brought the car into Trussville Mazda.. Got a loaner Mazda 6 and its pretty damn comfy! I talked to the rotary tech and mentioned to him what I did.. He's going to plug in the computer and going to let me know today! __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

07-01-2008, 09:45 AM	#6
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07-01-2008, 12:37 PM	#7
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07-01-2008, 12:55 PM	#10
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07-01-2008, 02:12 PM	#13
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	I just got a call back from Trussville Mazda.. They said the fuel pump might be bad... So, they are ordering one and install it tomorrow.. even though i could do that, I prefer not to touch the 8 for awhile And I get to keep the 6 for another day!! Yeah!! LOL! __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny