Another idle issue..

***Herblenny*** · 05-01-2008, 09:56 PM

OK..

The car runs fine when its warmed up.. But when I first crank in the morning (first time), the idle hunts and after 20 sec it smooths back out.

This only happens when I first crank for the morning but when weather is warm or engine is warm, no issues.

Any suggestions??

-xlr8planet- · 05-01-2008, 10:09 PM

first thing that came to my mind was too thick oil

then I wondered if it might have to be related with the O2 sensor. It needs to be heated, thats why it has 3 or more cables

***Herblenny*** · 05-01-2008, 10:15 PM

I was also thinking that it was the O2 sensor..

I also just read that could be MAF sensor being dirtied up by excessive oil?? More issue with K&N filter?? I'm going to clean the MAF and install HKS twin power this weekend.

WE3RX7 · 05-02-2008, 10:32 PM

I'm running the K&N now for a little over 1K miles and no problems.

It could still be MAF due to your car's mileage. Also, if you hang out in the higher RPM range where the stock Mazda fuel maps are really rich, and the o2 sensor is original, it wouldnt be surprising to hear that its gummed up too...

***Herblenny*** · 05-05-2008, 08:41 AM

WE2RX7,

I don't think its the O2 sensor..

I cleaned the MAF saturday morning and the car still idled like shit (cold start). But when warm it cranks and starts fine.

I the put the HKS twin power on Sunday and during cold start, the idle was horrible! It would hunt and then couple of times the engine will just shut down. I'm going to get a new O2 sensor and ground the fuck out of the engine

Regarding HKS... I noticed slight more power out of my butt dyno. Car also seem bit more responsive to the throttle.

***Herblenny*** · 05-08-2008, 08:33 AM

What do you guys think about Purge Solenoid being the issue for my cold start idle??

fikren · 05-08-2008, 04:29 PM

have you tried the thermal bypass mod on the TB?

***Herblenny*** · 05-12-2008, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fikren

have you tried the thermal bypass mod on the TB?

No.. I haven't.. Any more info about that??

fikren · 05-12-2008, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herblenny

No.. I haven't.. Any more info about that??

probabley will not have any effect on your issues, I think I was thinking of something else when I posted it. Its essentially the TB cooling bypass like you can do on the FD where you splice the two coolent hoses from the TB together.

***Herblenny*** · 05-15-2008, 02:26 PM

OK.. I video'd the cold start this morning. I'll Youtube it when I get home tonight.

You guys can see what Im talking about...

PHIL

***Herblenny*** · 05-15-2008, 07:43 PM

OK Guys... Video is uploaded!!

Take a look and let me know what you think might be the problem...

***Herblenny*** · 05-16-2008, 07:20 AM

Kevin,

I was always told if compression is low, i would have harder time starting when warm... Is it not true?? As you saw toward the end, when warm, the car starts fine.

Also the battery is new and I was told its the upgraded starter.

This weekend, I'll take the TB off and clean it... actually, I can't do anything until either I get the 7 all put together or I get my 4runner.. Dang, It sucks! Thanks again for the advice!

***Herblenny*** · 05-16-2008, 03:34 PM

No... No coolant lost nor any smoke. Its really weird as warm start is fine and etc.

I'm going to take the TB off and replace it as I have a spare one. I think if I fix it, I'm going to put it on the market and just drive my 4runner as a daily. It take about the same gas and I'm just fed up so far with this car.. What do you think I could get??

fikren · 05-17-2008, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herblenny

I'm just fed up so far with this car.. What do you think I could get??

Sorry to hear that Phil. I'll trade you my fd roller with burnout kit, feed hood and whatever else is laying around for it.

I really am enjoying mine and am conteplating getting rid of the FD for an 8 Roller and then work on a 20b swap for it. Be alot harder to pull off but I just really love the 8 right now.

TehMonkay · 05-16-2008, 06:18 PM

Can the TPS be adjusted on these cars?
Then of course, is the coolant temp sensor reading right?

05-01-2008, 09:56 PM	#1
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05-01-2008, 10:15 PM	#3
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	I was also thinking that it was the O2 sensor.. I also just read that could be MAF sensor being dirtied up by excessive oil?? More issue with K&N filter?? I'm going to clean the MAF and install HKS twin power this weekend. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-05-2008, 08:41 AM	#5
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	WE2RX7, I don't think its the O2 sensor.. I cleaned the MAF saturday morning and the car still idled like shit (cold start). But when warm it cranks and starts fine. I the put the HKS twin power on Sunday and during cold start, the idle was horrible! It would hunt and then couple of times the engine will just shut down. I'm going to get a new O2 sensor and ground the fuck out of the engine Regarding HKS... I noticed slight more power out of my butt dyno. Car also seem bit more responsive to the throttle. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny Last edited by Herblenny; 05-08-2008 at 08:33 AM..

05-08-2008, 08:33 AM	#6
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	What do you guys think about Purge Solenoid being the issue for my cold start idle?? __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-02-2008, 10:32 PM	#4
WE3RX7 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: VA iTrader: (1) Posts: 1,812 Rep Power: 18	I'm running the K&N now for a little over 1K miles and no problems. It could still be MAF due to your car's mileage. Also, if you hang out in the higher RPM range where the stock Mazda fuel maps are really rich, and the o2 sensor is original, it wouldnt be surprising to hear that its gummed up too...

05-08-2008, 04:29 PM	#7
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05-15-2008, 02:26 PM	#10
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	OK.. I video'd the cold start this morning. I'll Youtube it when I get home tonight. You guys can see what Im talking about... PHIL __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-15-2008, 07:43 PM	#11
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	OK Guys... Video is uploaded!! Take a look and let me know what you think might be the problem... __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny Last edited by Herblenny; 05-20-2008 at 03:17 PM..

05-16-2008, 07:20 AM	#12
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Kevin, I was always told if compression is low, i would have harder time starting when warm... Is it not true?? As you saw toward the end, when warm, the car starts fine. Also the battery is new and I was told its the upgraded starter. This weekend, I'll take the TB off and clean it... actually, I can't do anything until either I get the 7 all put together or I get my 4runner.. Dang, It sucks! Thanks again for the advice! __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny Last edited by Herblenny; 05-16-2008 at 09:56 AM..

05-16-2008, 03:34 PM	#13
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 iTrader: (11) Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	No... No coolant lost nor any smoke. Its really weird as warm start is fine and etc. I'm going to take the TB off and replace it as I have a spare one. I think if I fix it, I'm going to put it on the market and just drive my 4runner as a daily. It take about the same gas and I'm just fed up so far with this car.. What do you think I could get?? __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-16-2008, 06:18 PM	#15
TehMonkay Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Louisville, KY iTrader: (0) Posts: 302 Rep Power: 17	Can the TPS be adjusted on these cars? Then of course, is the coolant temp sensor reading right? __________________ My car blows up everytime I start it, it's rotary