Idea for engine importers.

Boostmaniac · 04-23-2008, 10:58 AM

Hey guys, I was thinking about starting up a poll on engine importers.

They way it would go, every time someone has a good transaction, give that importer a +1 on the poll. All negatives could be posted down below in the thread. The only problem is, I don't know many importers.

Go ahead and toss out some engine importers with their links so we can get this rolling if you like it. If you don't then let me know and we can kill this idea.

Ender · 04-24-2008, 06:51 PM

If we do this it would be nice if people make sure a deal is complete before leaving feedback. For example if a motor is supposed to be making 100psi compression both rotors and they leave feedback when the motor arrives instead of when they install the motor the rating could be misleading in the event that the motor was actually blown or something.

Boostmaniac · 04-25-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ender

If we do this it would be nice if people make sure a deal is complete before leaving feedback. For example if a motor is supposed to be making 100psi compression both rotors and they leave feedback when the motor arrives instead of when they install the motor the rating could be misleading in the event that the motor was actually blown or something.

Perfect idea.

No feedback until the motor is in, tested, and running. Then include price, turnaround time, and overall experience.

That format seems concise and rather well focused. You think there is anything else that would benefit this? Speak up now.

We drive FC's guys, our stock motors are either dead or dying. Some people opt to get a newer engine to rebuild on and this will give us a solid support line of knowing who to trust and who not to trust.

-Maniac

Phoenix7 · 04-25-2008, 02:37 PM

Sounds like a good idea.

Boostmaniac · 04-25-2008, 02:42 PM

Yeah, I am going to start rebuilding motors soon, and I know others will be also so it is always good to get some reputable used engine dealers to buy from for motors or rebuild cores.

Apac tii · 04-25-2008, 06:41 PM

I don't know what you guys think, but I think that 2 feedbacks would be good one upon arrival of the engine and another upon install of the engine.(just a thought probably not a good one)

$100T2 · 04-25-2008, 11:57 PM

How about for now, until we get a lot more members, every time someone gets a JDM engine, they do a thread from start of the transaction until 1000 miles on the motor? That way we can have a play by play of customer service, quality, shipping price and time, etc?

RETed · 04-26-2008, 05:09 AM

I don't think there is a single vendor that guarantees your engine to not be DOA upon arrival.
The ones that tried this all seem to have dropped doing this by now.
The BIG engine importers don't wanna waste the time to compression check every engine, and bad engines are part of the deal...
Some customers don't wanna bother returned bad engines even though these vendors have warranties / guarantees.
There are some smaller vendors that do compression check J-spec engines, but these are far and few in between.
Are you willing to wait months for their shipment to come in?
This is where the big engine importers win out - they have monthly shipments with huge inventory turnaround.

-Ted

Boostmaniac · 04-28-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I dont understand you guys' line of thinking. These importers are not building engines. They never even see them run. So while it is partially their fault for feeding you the whole line "our engines are hand picked in japan by the best, are compression tested, pressure washed, come with XXX warranty, blah blah", they honestly have NO control of what the engine is like inside or out.

You guys are wanting to leave them feedback and credit one importer with better quality than another. All the while none of them have any direct control over what they sell...they are not building them after all. One importer may sell 4 good engines and one shitty one in a period of 3 months while another may sell 2 good ones and 3 bad, and another may sell 5 good, but over the course of a couple of years it will all average out to be about the same, because it is all luck of the draw.

They wait to see what shows up and then they sell it. Sometimes they think that XXX version of engine is going to come, and maybe they sell it between the time it gets shipped and the time it arrives on their dock, only to find out that some piece of it is damaged, or it is not the exact version that it was supposed to be (think s4 vs s5 turbo).

I think half of the responsibility falls to the buyers to recognize a few things about the jspec engine industry, and if they fail to take these things into account as a realistic possibility then any difficulties are half their own fault:

-there are versions of rotary that are similar but not the same (s5 vs s4, etc.) and it is a common issue to ask for one version but get a different one.

-the cardinal rule of rotary ownership is never to let the engine sit for more than a couple of months unstarted, or possibly suffer stuck seals and loss of compression. Jspec junkyard engines can sit months or years unturned by the time they hit north america, so don't get your feelings hurt if the seals are stuck or the coolant passages are full of rust due to sitting.

-the engines come from junkyards. They are in a junkyard for a reason. Often there is no documentation of mileage or running condition. Some of these are going to come off the boat already blown. Japanese people blow rotaries the same as we do, don't act surprised because you didn't get a perfect type R super rotary from JDM dorifto land.

Lol, you said dorifto land.

I think you all are missing what I was really aiming for. Any engine I buy from an importer is going to be rebuilt, no questions asked. I was more after finding out how long turnaround time is, did you get all of your stuff, did they honor any warranties they sold with the motor etc. etc. I want to start weeding out the crappy fly by night operations and see who the good guys are and who I can reasonably trust.

Phoenix7 · 04-28-2008, 06:16 PM

It should be based on the time, compression (if they claim good compression) and customer service/warranty.

1. Order placed on this date
2. Item received on this date
3. Claimed 100psi compression/ good compression
4. video proof of you opening the package and going a compression test on the spot.
5. Customer service, correct order received, etc., etc.

All on a scale of 1 to 10
or

to

or

if it's BAD!

If the motor loses compression between the time you received the engine and when install then you can't say it's the vendor's fault and vice-versa if you tape yourself opening up the engine and doing a compression test.

TehMonkay · 05-02-2008, 12:43 AM

I don't see why we can't do a rating based on, who delivers the most engines, as advertised.

Phoenix7 · 05-02-2008, 12:54 AM

that's the system we're all discussing. We just can't figure out something that simple and effective.

Maybe inviting them to join the forum and use the iTrader???

TehMonkay · 05-02-2008, 12:55 AM

make user accounts for them all and do it via reputation?

Phoenix7 · 05-02-2008, 01:10 AM

hmmmm good one.

Who are the main importers?

04-23-2008, 10:58 AM	#1
Boostmaniac Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 182 Rep Power: 0	Idea for engine importers. Hey guys, I was thinking about starting up a poll on engine importers. They way it would go, every time someone has a good transaction, give that importer a +1 on the poll. All negatives could be posted down below in the thread. The only problem is, I don't know many importers. Go ahead and toss out some engine importers with their links so we can get this rolling if you like it. If you don't then let me know and we can kill this idea.

04-25-2008, 06:41 PM	#6
Apac tii Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Indiana iTrader: (0) Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	I don't know what you guys think, but I think that 2 feedbacks would be good one upon arrival of the engine and another upon install of the engine.(just a thought probably not a good one) __________________ 1988 Mazda RX-7 T2(list of mods here) http://designengineeringworks.com/project_cars.php 2004 Saturn Ion Redline(dd) 1999 Mitsubishi Galant V6(the backup beater)

04-25-2008, 11:57 PM	#7
$100T2 Big Daddy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rhode Island iTrader: (2) Posts: 419 Rep Power: 17	How about for now, until we get a lot more members, every time someone gets a JDM engine, they do a thread from start of the transaction until 1000 miles on the motor? That way we can have a play by play of customer service, quality, shipping price and time, etc? __________________ Hell hath no fury like a rotor blown.

05-02-2008, 12:43 AM	#11
TehMonkay Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Louisville, KY iTrader: (0) Posts: 302 Rep Power: 17	I don't see why we can't do a rating based on, who delivers the most engines, as advertised. __________________ My car blows up everytime I start it, it's rotary

05-02-2008, 12:55 AM	#13
TehMonkay Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Louisville, KY iTrader: (0) Posts: 302 Rep Power: 17	make user accounts for them all and do it via reputation? __________________ My car blows up everytime I start it, it's rotary

04-25-2008, 02:42 PM	#5
Boostmaniac Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 iTrader: (0) Posts: 182 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, I am going to start rebuilding motors soon, and I know others will be also so it is always good to get some reputable used engine dealers to buy from for motors or rebuild cores.