Bit of an emergency question here...

sv51macross · 11-24-2010, 04:52 PM

Hypothetically, say party A is a dunderhead and forgets to put tape over the ports of the L-LIM...and accidentally drops a 1/2" copper washer down the leading primary runner...what is the likelihood that washer will damage anything upon startup or turnover?

FerociousP · 11-24-2010, 05:09 PM

100% eventuality. What you can hope for is that the rotor was in the way of the port opening and it didn't go into the chamber. Take the LIM off and get it out!

Pete_89T2 · 11-24-2010, 05:26 PM

Since it's a copper washer, a magnet won't work, so get a shop vac and try to suck the washer out.

Howru · 11-24-2010, 09:43 PM

If Party A is lucky the copper washer will be stuck in the intake runners, but the LIM still has to come off to be sure.

vex · 11-24-2010, 10:06 PM

Or use a borescope.

sv51macross · 11-24-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vex

Or use a borescope.

This is what my dad was thinking. Since my mom is a RN at St. Joes, I was hoping she could get me a discarded endoscope.

Going to grab one of the cheap ones they sell at...[sigh] Harbor Freight. Crossing my fingers that FerociousP is right.

speedjunkie · 11-25-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sv51macross

This is what my dad was thinking. Since my mom is a RN at St. Joes, I was hoping she could get me a discarded endoscope.

Going to grab one of the cheap ones they sell at...[sigh] Harbor Freight. Crossing my fingers that FerociousP is right.

Hey! There is NOTHING wrong with Harbor Freight! LOL I can't leave there without a handful of things each time I go, which I suppose defeats the purpose of it being so cheap if you don't actually need the tools haha.

You might get lucky and the rotor will be in a position where it's holding it right there in the intake section. When I was building my engine back in 08 I accidentally broke the plastic injector piece (I forget what it's called now, but it's the piece that disperses the fuel even more) and it went down into the engine. I about lost my mind. I took off the LIM and the rotor was in the right position for me to reach in and take it out, so you might get lucky like that too.

And if your Mom can get her hands on an extra borescope I'd take one too. LOL

Good luck.

Kentetsu · 11-25-2010, 12:18 PM

Turn the motor upside down and shake it until the washer falls out.

Seriously though, good luck man. At least you know that you dropped it in there, which is better than finding out the hard way I guess...

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***TitaniumTT*** · 11-25-2010, 01:26 PM

Diffuser

I can't go into Horror Freight... or Grainger... or Sears for that matter. Although the Sears card I have has about 50,000 points on it so I'll be getting myself something nice for x-mas.

Is the engine in the car? If so, pull the LIM. If not, rotate the engine itself, NOT the eccentric shaft at ALL and see if it pops out. The other thing to try is one of those extendable pickers

speedjunkie · 11-25-2010, 02:24 PM

Ah diffuser, that's it! Thanks!

sv51macross · 11-25-2010, 02:26 PM

Guys, how hard is it to remove the LIM? Not the middle section (which I thought was the LIM...maybe the MIM?) I just don't see any bolts and I get the feeling it's going to be hell trying to remove.

Prodigy · 11-25-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sv51macross

Guys, how hard is it to remove the LIM?

Much Much easier then a rebuild

I have no idea about S4, or S5 but the REW it s quite simple... 4-5 bolts maybe...?

just take your time, and if you find it, be very careful when trying to pick it out, I've been in a little bit of a rush and pushed things father into the engine.. (it was the broken fuel diffuser now that I think about it... :P)

best of luck

J.

***TitaniumTT*** · 11-25-2010, 03:30 PM

Piece of cake. If you've got the UIM off, there should only be a few bolts and a few studs at the block. Haven't dealt with an S5 in ages though so I'm definately NOT the one to ask for a step by step.

sv51macross · 11-25-2010, 03:53 PM

Well, managed to break another 2 vac lines moving the lower spider enough to remove the air control valve. I swear to [deity] I'm this [] close to buying a carb setup for her.

Sigh... The air control valve is off. Still can't see where the flying f*** the manifold bolts are, the shop manual isn't much help right now. Taking a break as I'm frustrated enough at her right now, going to make another attack later. At least it isn't as cold today as it was yesterday.

Mazdabater · 11-25-2010, 04:40 PM

Buy a bit of thin plastic tube, stick it in the end of a vac and seal it with masking tape on and stick it down the runners and it will pick the washer up. Simple

11-24-2010, 04:52 PM	#1
sv51macross Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ann Arbor, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Bit of an emergency question here... Hypothetically, say party A is a dunderhead and forgets to put tape over the ports of the L-LIM...and accidentally drops a 1/2" copper washer down the leading primary runner...what is the likelihood that washer will damage anything upon startup or turnover? __________________ 1990 Mazda RX-7 NA; Lucy, after the main antagonist from Elfin Lied. Eventual plans? Something cyberpunk and spicy.

11-24-2010, 05:09 PM	#2
FerociousP I-had-a-bad-experience... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: M'boro iTrader: (2) Posts: 1,046 Rep Power: 18	100% eventuality. What you can hope for is that the rotor was in the way of the port opening and it didn't go into the chamber. Take the LIM off and get it out! __________________ '15 Juke Nismo '06 MX-5 GT SOLD '04 S Silver RX-8 GT Track Day Use SOLD '90 Black TII vert w/ Sprint RE stock port/turbo DD dyno (242.6whp@5500rpm @12psi 8psi@redline) and (250ftlbtq@4800rpm @13psi) SOLD '89 GTUs 6p TII SOLD, '87 sport SOLD, '79 SA stock SOLD '91 B2600i 4x4 w/ Rx-8 LSD SOLD

11-24-2010, 09:43 PM	#4
Howru Louvers! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Vallejo, CA iTrader: (3) Posts: 66 Rep Power: 17	If Party A is lucky the copper washer will be stuck in the intake runners, but the LIM still has to come off to be sure. __________________ 88 GXL N/A -- Maybe I should've kept the exhaust diffusers...

11-24-2010, 10:06 PM	#5
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11-25-2010, 12:18 PM	#8
Kentetsu RCC Contributor Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan iTrader: (1) Posts: 530 Rep Power: 17	Turn the motor upside down and shake it until the washer falls out. Seriously though, good luck man. At least you know that you dropped it in there, which is better than finding out the hard way I guess... . __________________ "Learn from the past, or it will become your future...." '85 GS 12a + LSD/Sterling carb/Respeed coilovers/Respeed front swaybar/Respeed adj. rear spring perches/Illuminas/Bilsteins on rear AutoX vids @ http://www.youtube.com/user/Kentetsu1

11-24-2010, 05:26 PM	#3
Pete_89T2 Lifetime Rotorhead Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Elkton, MD iTrader: (1) Posts: 874 Rep Power: 15	Since it's a copper washer, a magnet won't work, so get a shop vac and try to suck the washer out.

11-25-2010, 01:26 PM	#9
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11-25-2010, 02:24 PM	#10
speedjunkie RCC Loves Me Not You Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Colorado Springs, CO iTrader: (1) Posts: 2,089 Rep Power: 19	Ah diffuser, that's it! Thanks!

11-25-2010, 02:26 PM	#11
sv51macross Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ann Arbor, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Guys, how hard is it to remove the LIM? Not the middle section (which I thought was the LIM...maybe the MIM?) I just don't see any bolts and I get the feeling it's going to be hell trying to remove. __________________ 1990 Mazda RX-7 NA; Lucy, after the main antagonist from Elfin Lied. Eventual plans? Something cyberpunk and spicy.

11-25-2010, 03:30 PM	#13
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son iTrader: (4) Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Piece of cake. If you've got the UIM off, there should only be a few bolts and a few studs at the block. Haven't dealt with an S5 in ages though so I'm definately NOT the one to ask for a step by step. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

11-25-2010, 03:53 PM	#14
sv51macross Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ann Arbor, Mi iTrader: (0) Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Well, managed to break another 2 vac lines moving the lower spider enough to remove the air control valve. I swear to [deity] I'm this [] close to buying a carb setup for her. Sigh... The air control valve is off. Still can't see where the flying f*** the manifold bolts are, the shop manual isn't much help right now. Taking a break as I'm frustrated enough at her right now, going to make another attack later. At least it isn't as cold today as it was yesterday. __________________ 1990 Mazda RX-7 NA; Lucy, after the main antagonist from Elfin Lied. Eventual plans? Something cyberpunk and spicy.

11-25-2010, 04:40 PM	#15
Mazdabater FC3S Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Townsville, QLD, AUS iTrader: (0) Posts: 326 Rep Power: 15	Buy a bit of thin plastic tube, stick it in the end of a vac and seal it with masking tape on and stick it down the runners and it will pick the washer up. Simple