Hitachi A/R Specs?

Justen · 02-20-2010, 07:42 PM

I was wondering if anyone knew the A/R specs (hotside) for the stock hitachi turbo in a TII?
Hitachi HT-18 I believe.

djmtsu · 02-20-2010, 08:23 PM

I would ask Brian at BNR. If anyone could tell you detailed specs, its him!!!

I remember reading somewhere about specs of S4 vs S5 as far as A/R and compressor efficiency tables, but I can't find it anymore.

need RX7 · 02-20-2010, 10:03 PM

I remember reading it somewhere once. I believe one of them was in the .80 range and the other in the .90 range.

EDIT: this thread says the S4 is a 0.86 a/r and the S5 is 1.00 a/r, not sure how accurate that may be though.

djmtsu · 02-20-2010, 10:12 PM

Yeah, that seems a little high.

I thought the S5 was .86ish.

I know by slapping on the T04 back plate, compressor wheel, and compressor housing you basically make a full T04 turbo, albeit with a smaller turbine than what you would normally upgrade to if you did a full T04 turbo kit.

Justen · 02-21-2010, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu

Yeah, that seems a little high.

I thought the S5 was .86ish.

I know by slapping on the T04 back plate, compressor wheel, and compressor housing you basically make a full T04 turbo, albeit with a smaller turbine than what you would normally upgrade to if you did a full T04 turbo kit.

Okay, so its pretty high, around 0.80 to 1.00 a/r
I notice that a lot of the "larger" turbos that people use have a high a/r also (around 0.80 to 1.00)...

Newb question: If I were to step up to a larger turbo for peak/top-end power, I'd just be looking for a similar turbine a/r, and a higher COMPRESSOR TRIM, right?

RETed · 02-21-2010, 05:31 AM

You cannot be comparing (turbine) A/R's from different family or turbos.

A 1.00 A/R T3 is going to be smaller than a 0.8x A/R T4 (numbers are not necessarily real), even though numerically the T3 is "bigger".

The Hitachi does not directly compare to any of the Garrett family, so you really cannot be comparing them.

Also, the HT-18 2S designed for the FC3S 13BT uses a different type of turbine wheel which will change it's efficiency.
Almost all the other (aftermarket) turbos are designed for piston engines with greater than or equal to at least 4 cylinders of combustion, but the Hitachi turbos are designed for the stronger pulse of a rotary engine.

If you're looking for a starting point for an aftermarket turbo, try around 0.9x for a good overall power band.
Up to 1.00 (or more) for more top end.
Drop to 0.8x for more response on the low end (but sacraficing top end).
Keep in mind that these numbers are strictly for (Garrett) T4 family size of turbos.

As a rule, compressor wheel dictates maximum power potential; turbine (A/R) section dictates whether the power will be low, middle, or high in the RPM band.

-Ted

Justen · 02-21-2010, 01:24 PM

I see. I guess it makes sense that the hotside a/r would differ from t3 to t4, since the turbine housings differ in size.
Thanks for info, Ted.

-Justen

sen2two · 04-20-2010, 04:13 PM

Whats the exducer and inducer size of the stock turbos (s4 and s5) cold and hot side?

any one know them?

sen2two · 04-20-2010, 08:24 PM

found them:

Stock TII turbo specs

Turbine major: 2.51" (63.75 mm)
Turbine exducer: 2.15" (54.61 mm)

Compressor inducer: 1.72" (43.68 mm)
Compressor exducer: 2.48" (63 mm) = (48 trim)

sen2two · 04-20-2010, 08:26 PM

so anyone know the specs of the BNR upgraded compressor blades???

88turboii · 04-21-2010, 08:27 PM

i know a BNR stage 3 uses a 60-1 hifi wheel which is 59/76mm (2.3/3"), with .60 A/R cover

the stage 4 is basically the same except the turbine is modified for a P-trim turbine wheel, which is clipped to prevent boost creep i believe. the p-trim is 2.544/2.922"

not sure about stages 1,2

02-20-2010, 07:42 PM	#1
Justen In Too Deep Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Clifton, NJ iTrader: (3) Posts: 112 Rep Power: 16	Hitachi A/R Specs? I was wondering if anyone knew the A/R specs (hotside) for the stock hitachi turbo in a TII? Hitachi HT-18 I believe. __________________ 1990 TII, fresh rebuild Atkins rebuild kit, RA apex seals Med. Streetport, TB mod, rebuilt turbo, ported wastegate, GodSpeed FMIC RacingBeat Turbo-back straight exhaust, Bonez test pipe, emissions/nest removed hks intake, Walbro, Profec B spec-2

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djmtsu My minds tellin' me no... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (10) Posts: 4,043 Rep Power: 21	I would ask Brian at BNR. If anyone could tell you detailed specs, its him!!! I remember reading somewhere about specs of S4 vs S5 as far as A/R and compressor efficiency tables, but I can't find it anymore. __________________ 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 2003 Toyota Tundra TRD 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5

02-20-2010, 10:03 PM	#3
need RX7 Clean S4 Nutswinger Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, MI iTrader: (0) Posts: 485 Rep Power: 17	I remember reading it somewhere once. I believe one of them was in the .80 range and the other in the .90 range. EDIT: this thread says the S4 is a 0.86 a/r and the S5 is 1.00 a/r, not sure how accurate that may be though. __________________ -Ted -1986 Mazda RX7 Sport [DD/beater]: engine finally let go at 205k. parts car status. -1986 Mazda RX7 base [resto-mod project]: S5 n/a swap in progress. Last edited by need RX7; 02-20-2010 at 10:06 PM..

02-20-2010, 10:12 PM	#4
djmtsu My minds tellin' me no... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN iTrader: (10) Posts: 4,043 Rep Power: 21	Yeah, that seems a little high. I thought the S5 was .86ish. I know by slapping on the T04 back plate, compressor wheel, and compressor housing you basically make a full T04 turbo, albeit with a smaller turbine than what you would normally upgrade to if you did a full T04 turbo kit. __________________ 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 2003 Toyota Tundra TRD 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5

02-21-2010, 01:24 PM	#7
Justen In Too Deep Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Clifton, NJ iTrader: (3) Posts: 112 Rep Power: 16	I see. I guess it makes sense that the hotside a/r would differ from t3 to t4, since the turbine housings differ in size. Thanks for info, Ted. -Justen __________________ 1990 TII, fresh rebuild Atkins rebuild kit, RA apex seals Med. Streetport, TB mod, rebuilt turbo, ported wastegate, GodSpeed FMIC RacingBeat Turbo-back straight exhaust, Bonez test pipe, emissions/nest removed hks intake, Walbro, Profec B spec-2

04-20-2010, 04:13 PM	#8
sen2two KTEC Join Date: Jan 2009 iTrader: (2) Posts: 642 Rep Power: 0	Whats the exducer and inducer size of the stock turbos (s4 and s5) cold and hot side? any one know them? __________________ what I have: 1985 Gs:12a All motor Drag car - 1973 Rx2: Play car What I had: 93 Touring: TRADED - 91 Coupe: TRADED - 90 GTU: RHD - 88 10AE: SOLD - 87 Base: SOLD - 86 Base: SOLD - 1985 GSLSE - 85 Gsl: SOLD - 80 Gs: TRADED - 1972 Rx2

04-20-2010, 08:24 PM	#9
sen2two KTEC Join Date: Jan 2009 iTrader: (2) Posts: 642 Rep Power: 0	found them: Stock TII turbo specs Turbine major: 2.51" (63.75 mm) Turbine exducer: 2.15" (54.61 mm) Compressor inducer: 1.72" (43.68 mm) Compressor exducer: 2.48" (63 mm) = (48 trim) __________________ what I have: 1985 Gs:12a All motor Drag car - 1973 Rx2: Play car What I had: 93 Touring: TRADED - 91 Coupe: TRADED - 90 GTU: RHD - 88 10AE: SOLD - 87 Base: SOLD - 86 Base: SOLD - 1985 GSLSE - 85 Gsl: SOLD - 80 Gs: TRADED - 1972 Rx2

04-20-2010, 08:26 PM	#10
sen2two KTEC Join Date: Jan 2009 iTrader: (2) Posts: 642 Rep Power: 0	so anyone know the specs of the BNR upgraded compressor blades??? __________________ what I have: 1985 Gs:12a All motor Drag car - 1973 Rx2: Play car What I had: 93 Touring: TRADED - 91 Coupe: TRADED - 90 GTU: RHD - 88 10AE: SOLD - 87 Base: SOLD - 86 Base: SOLD - 1985 GSLSE - 85 Gsl: SOLD - 80 Gs: TRADED - 1972 Rx2

04-21-2010, 08:27 PM	#11
88turboii destroy, rebuild, repeat Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Charleston, SC iTrader: (0) Posts: 395 Rep Power: 17	i know a BNR stage 3 uses a 60-1 hifi wheel which is 59/76mm (2.3/3"), with .60 A/R cover the stage 4 is basically the same except the turbine is modified for a P-trim turbine wheel, which is clipped to prevent boost creep i believe. the p-trim is 2.544/2.922" not sure about stages 1,2