Tokico Blues + ???? = Score

[My5ABaby]

I currently have Tokico Blues on the car with stock springs. As I have a couple bucks now I'm looking to upgrade the springs. I've heard good things about Tanabe GF-210, Tein S-Tech, Eibach Pro Kit, and Racing Beat but I'm not sure which would suit the Blues well. Suggestions?

[RoughRex]

I think most of what you're going to find is too stiff for use as a daily driver. I have Blues and Eibach Pro-kit springs on my car. I picked the Pro-kit springs because they are progressive and I thought they would go a little easier on me for daily driving but even the Pro-kits feel a bit stiff. (I'm spoiled I think)

I've heard others say to steer away from Eibachs and go with Tein because the stiffer springs handle better but I don't just drive on the track and I don't want to hate driving my car because it makes me need a chiropractor. Anyhow... if you want to know what the Eibachs + Tokico blues feel like, just take mine for a spin next time we have a meet.

[My5ABaby]

It's not a daily but I think I've been a bit spoiled by my 6 and its comforts. I'd like something that will be pretty comfortable and make for an enjoyable leisure drive along with aggressive responsiveness if wanted. Perhaps something middle of the road.

[Max777]

i think you are all spoiled, and dont have a clue what stiff FC suspnsion feels like. Go get some coilovers, then put the blues/whatever back on and the car will feel like a S600 benz.

Honestly, I havent tried any of the springs, but I cant imagine they would be anywhere near coilover stiffness level. Also, any new shock/spring combo will feel words better in comparison to 20y.o. suspension, so just stop being a puss and go for it!

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by Max777

i think you are all spoiled, and dont have a clue what stiff FC suspnsion feels like. Go get some coilovers, then put the blues/whatever back on and the car will feel like a S600 benz.

Honestly, I havent tried any of the springs, but I cant imagine they would be anywhere near coilover stiffness level. Also, any new shock/spring combo will feel words better in comparison to 20y.o. suspension, so just stop being a puss and go for it!

Not necessarily. I had Blues/Eibachs on my car before my Stance C/O's and the Stances are definately a better ride. The blues aren't really valved properly and ride quality definately suffers

[My5ABaby]

Originally Posted by Max777

i think you are all spoiled, and dont have a clue what stiff FC suspnsion feels like. Go get some coilovers, then put the blues/whatever back on and the car will feel like a S600 benz.

Honestly, I havent tried any of the springs, but I cant imagine they would be anywhere near coilover stiffness level. Also, any new shock/spring combo will feel words better in comparison to 20y.o. suspension, so just stop being a puss and go for it!

Your response was extremely helpful and has influenced my decision greatly.

I haven't felt a "stiff FC suspension", nor do I want to. I enjoy having some comfort when driving my car as I don't track it and don't Auto-X. What the hell is the point of super stiff coilovers given that?

[Max777]

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

I enjoy having some comfort when driving my car as I don't track it and don't Auto-X. What the hell is the point of super stiff coilovers given that?

For that cool "hellaflush" look, babe!


Nah, j/k, but seriously, you bought a rotary sports car for comfort? WTF?


Dont you know the true nature of a real 7 is to be loud as f**k and uncomfortable, bone jarring, wicked awesome, kick everyones ass at the track/ auto-x, and handle like it's on rails?


Also, I can understand that you might not have the time/ability to track your car, but even then....

My car rides already rides like shit, the suspension is real soft, but all the bumps and stuff feel like in a car with coils. Maybe your ride is a lot better with new shocks, but I would trade a soft and shitty ride for a firm and a little less shitty ride any day.

Then, there is also the issue of price. I would pay roughly $500 for new shocks. A set of stance GR+ can be had for $1,000 (if you know people) and then you can get softer springs for that. Adding to that the ride height, corner weight, and stiffness adjustability, and I just can NOT see what the big deal is.

I a lot of people seem to be all like "OMFG coilovers, they are too stiff, they suck, I like to have a comfortable car.... blah blah blah, etc. Get over your self. it's not "THAT" fucking bad.

On top of that, not all "coilovers" are these "Super stiff monsters" some people claim them to be. Some are, but there are also versions geared for more comfortable ride, and adjustability over cornering. TEIN has good models for street driving. Stance offer softer springs for their products, and ground control sleeves can be paired with an adjustable shock like a KYB agx, which can be stiffened up, and then softened for the ride home.

I've driven cars with coilovers, ridden in a lot of them, and know enough to give a good suggestion. Do you have any first hand experience with them?

[My5ABaby]

Originally Posted by Max777

For that cool "hellaflush" look, babe!


Nah, j/k, but seriously, you bought a rotary sports car for comfort? WTF?


Dont you know the true nature of a real 7 is to be loud as f**k and uncomfortable, bone jarring, wicked awesome, kick everyones ass at the track/ auto-x, and handle like it's on rails?

etc....

I've driven cars with coilovers, ridden in a lot of them, and know enough to give a good suggestion. Do you have any first hand experience with them?

I said I'd like to have "some" comfort. My 7 is far from comfortable compared to my 6. It has a straight through exhaust, an old shitty interior that squeaks a lot, smells like exhaust, shifts like a Model A, and has no radio/speakers. I would MUCH rather have a sports car that goes around the track or Auto-Xs a bit slower, but that I am comfortable in and enjoy driving the other 99% of the time it's moving... Perhaps wanting to enjoy driving the car makes me odd.

No, I have no experience with coilovers. What I do have experience in is a budget. Tanabes and Teins can be had on eBay for under $185 shipped, Eibachs for under $300.

Anything else you would like to add to the thread? Perhaps something constructive?

[Max777]

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

Anything else you would like to add to the thread? Perhaps something constructive?

Well, we obviously don't share the same viewpoints. I WAS trying to be constructive, perhaps give another view point, yet you seem to have already made up your mind, and are well determined to take anything I say in a negative light.

Look, we're all friends here, I'm not trying to be a dick, i just happen to be very straight forward and vocal about my view points. I also do respect your own views, but it's difficult to see things from another perspective somtimes, so bare with me man.


@T: Some of them? Which ones? Some coils are tuned a specific way. A lot of japanese tuners seem to use the shocks/springs stiffness to control body roll, and leave things like sway bars stock, resulting in quite stiff suspension. This seems to work on smooth tracks and nice roads, but not so much on rough pavement. Other tuners make softer suspensions but use things like thicker sway bars to control movement, which fits a rally car much better because it needs high speed stability on rough roads.

...or at least, this is how it was explained to me.

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by Max777

Nah, j/k, but seriously, you bought a rotary sports car for comfort? WTF?

I bought my FD to build a 500rwhp touring car..... meaning COMFORT

Originally Posted by Max777

Dont you know the true nature of a real 7 is to be loud as f**k and uncomfortable, bone jarring, wicked awesome, kick everyones ass at the track/ auto-x, and handle like it's on rails?

No, I enjoy hearing my thoughts when driving.
I prefer my spine not to be re-aligned when I drive
fuck that,
it will be
it will and will be comfortable to drive as well. Stiff suspension doesn not mean a car will handle better.

If a stiffer suspension makes a car handle better, go weld your shocks @ ride height and come back and report your results.

People who know how to set up a suspension know that stiffer does not necissarily = better. The overly simplified version is, the dampners are called that for a reason, springs for a reason as well.

Originally Posted by Max777

I a lot of people seem to be all like "OMFG coilovers, they are too stiff, they suck, I like to have a comfortable car.... blah blah blah, etc. Get over your self. it's not "THAT" fucking bad.

Some of them are........

[Gabriel82]

I have Tanabe GF-210 springs, they feel good and give the car a good drop.

[Ender]

If you don't track it, AutoX, or want any kind of increase in handling performance then I don't see why you'd buy anything but OEM unless OEM was much more expensive. They came from the factory with pretty good cornering ability.

[My5ABaby]

OEM springs are expensive. I'm not against tracking or Auto-xing, it's just not somethng I currently do or would competitively any time in the forseeable future.

[classicauto]

Just go eibach. They're fairly inexpensive and give a little drop. If my money situation went better this year I'd have set for you, but I haven't pickedup my new jams yet

[Gabriel82]

Just go Tokico Blues and Tanabe GF-210s. Blues are essentially almost an OEM replacement. The Tanabe springs will make the car slightly stiffer but the ride comfort is still the same. Essentially you would have parts that allow you to push the FC through corners a little more than stock but still being a comfortable car to drive to the market, work, or school