Can the PPF be powder coated?

RotaryWhat? · 12-09-2008, 03:25 PM

Sending some parts to the powder coater, but was wondering if the PPF can be done? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the PPF is constructed using a steel/adhesive/composite sandwiched together to keep it lightweight & stiff---would rather not have a nice shiny warped piece of scrap when I get it back.

Please chime in if you've had this done with no ill effects. Thanks in advance.

David Jerome · 12-09-2008, 04:18 PM

Well, the mazdaspeed PPF is just a powder coated red stock power plant frame. At least in my opinion, ever weld is identical to the stock PPF but it comes with fancy red powder coating. I highly doubt any damage would be done by powder coating the PPF.

RotaryWhat? · 12-09-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jerome

Well, the mazdaspeed PPF is just a powder coated red stock power plant frame. At least in my opinion, ever weld is identical to the stock PPF but it comes with fancy red powder coating. I highly doubt any damage would be done by powder coating the PPF.

I'm pretty much on the same page with you, just looking for confirmation from someone who's actually done it.....

David Jerome · 12-09-2008, 08:44 PM

Ill make you a deal, go ahead and do it. If your PPF breaks I will send you another good condition used one for free

Im 99.99999% sure you will never see any ill effects from this.

RotaryWhat? · 12-09-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jerome

Ill make you a deal, go ahead and do it. If your PPF breaks I will send you another good condition used one for free

Im 99.99999% sure you will never see any ill effects from this.

Haha....I like the way you work. In all seriousness if you've got an extra one that isn't already cracked, I'll buy it off you as a backup to get coated. I've thrown out 2 that I bought off the "other" forum that ended up being cracked before I found my current one...hence my caution.

PM me if you're interested.

David Jerome · 12-09-2008, 10:53 PM

Ive got about 4 laying around that are all in great shape. Just let me know. $30.00 plus shipping(about $35.00-40.00).

Thanks
David

Garfinkles Motor Works · 12-10-2008, 01:45 AM

The red ones are stiffer because they are made from a different type of steel . pressed and welded in ths same equipment . The powder coating process can be done with a low temp powder at 250 degrees if they make it the color you need. I had some parts on my 7 done with the low temp powder and it is still good to go after several years . The regular temp powder is in the 400 degree range .

Signal 2 · 12-10-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Garfinkles Motor Works

The red ones are stiffer because they are made from a different type of steel . pressed and welded in ths same equipment ........

Apologies to the OP for going a little off-topic but that's interesting.^
I've seen the pictures of the MS PPFs next to the stock ones. IIRC someone even confirmed that they weighed the same. Always thought that was MAZDA'S big practical joke and a marketing coup.
No offense to Mr. Garfinkle, but can anyone else confirm and make me feel like an idiot for passing up a deal on a MS PPF for next to nothing a while back?

RotaryWhat? · 12-10-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Garfinkles Motor Works

The powder coating process can be done with a low temp powder at 250 degrees if they make it the color you need. I had some parts on my 7 done with the low temp powder and it is still good to go after several years . The regular temp powder is in the 400 degree range .

Just talked with the coater and he recommended the low temp powder as well--says they use it mostly on tempered parts but he also just did someone's kitchen cabinets....so PPF should be fine.

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Apologies to the OP for going a little off-topic but that's interesting.^
I've seen the pictures of the MS PPFs next to the stock ones. IIRC someone even confirmed that they weighed the same. Always thought that was MAZDA'S big practical joke and a marketing coup.
No offense to Mr. Garfinkle, but can anyone else confirm and make me feel like an idiot for passing up a deal on a MS PPF for next to nothing a while back?

No problem---I had a Mazdaspeed brochure from years ago that had the PPF in there. It was made with a higher grade HSLA compared to the production part and claimed to be 15% stiffer if remember correctly. I'll see if I can find it. If you're worried about it, you can pick up Banzai's diff brace which is what I did---accomplishes the same thing.

McVicker · 12-10-2008, 09:56 PM

I had mine powd coated with no issues. I haven't installed it yet though. Before I had mine coated, I scraped all the excess sealer off the edges.

RotaryWhat? · 12-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by McVicker

I had mine powd coated with no issues. I haven't installed it yet though. Before I had mine coated, I scraped all the excess sealer off the edges.

Thanks for the confirmation----and reminder that I need to scrape off that sealer.

hsitko · 12-28-2008, 04:38 PM

As for the mazdaspeed ppf. Given that it touts a "massive" increase in stiffness of an "insane" 10%, weighs in at just about "exactly" what the stock one weighs in at... I dont know, maybe that "extra" stiffness is from the powdercoating? As far as i'm concerned, it is just a big joke. A big $600 joke. Ouch mazdaspeed. I say that you get yours low temp powdercoated red and then scribble on a piece of tape "mazdaspeed" and no one will no the difference save maybe strange parts collector people.

RotaryWhat? · 12-28-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hsitko

I say that you get yours low temp powdercoated red and then scribble on a piece of tape "mazdaspeed" and no one will no the difference save maybe strange parts collector people.

I believe one of the vendors was already doing this, don't remember which one but I remember reading that they got caught.

I'm not looking to duplicate the MS PPF bling per say....just hate putting rusty parts back on my car.

David Jerome · 12-28-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RotaryWhat?

I believe one of the vendors was already doing this, don't remember which one but I remember reading that they got caught.

I'm not looking to duplicate the MS PPF bling per say....just hate putting rusty parts back on my car.

That would be SR motorsports that was pulling that shady move, I think they were caught doing other shady things as well.

AHarada · 12-29-2008, 01:17 AM

The mazdaspeed ppf's are supposedly cryo-treated, which aligns the molecules or something or other. This process is supposed to make the ppf stand up to more abuse and reduce fatigue.

Of all of the stock PPF's that I've heard breaking, I've never heard of one of them being a real Mazdaspeed unit.

12-09-2008, 03:25 PM	#1
RotaryWhat? The Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Detroit Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	Can the PPF be powder coated? Sending some parts to the powder coater, but was wondering if the PPF can be done? I seem to remember reading somewhere that the PPF is constructed using a steel/adhesive/composite sandwiched together to keep it lightweight & stiff---would rather not have a nice shiny warped piece of scrap when I get it back. Please chime in if you've had this done with no ill effects. Thanks in advance.

12-09-2008, 04:18 PM	#2
David Jerome RCC Contributor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 713 Rep Power: 18	Well, the mazdaspeed PPF is just a powder coated red stock power plant frame. At least in my opinion, ever weld is identical to the stock PPF but it comes with fancy red powder coating. I highly doubt any damage would be done by powder coating the PPF. __________________ David Jerome Broker for Speed For Sale LLC (David@SpeedForSale.com) (Pre-owned RX7/sports car sales & new parts sales/installs/tuning) PM me about low priced, high quality port work

12-09-2008, 08:44 PM	#4
David Jerome RCC Contributor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 713 Rep Power: 18	Ill make you a deal, go ahead and do it. If your PPF breaks I will send you another good condition used one for free Im 99.99999% sure you will never see any ill effects from this. __________________ David Jerome Broker for Speed For Sale LLC (David@SpeedForSale.com) (Pre-owned RX7/sports car sales & new parts sales/installs/tuning) PM me about low priced, high quality port work

12-09-2008, 10:53 PM	#6
David Jerome RCC Contributor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 713 Rep Power: 18	Ive got about 4 laying around that are all in great shape. Just let me know. $30.00 plus shipping(about $35.00-40.00). Thanks David __________________ David Jerome Broker for Speed For Sale LLC (David@SpeedForSale.com) (Pre-owned RX7/sports car sales & new parts sales/installs/tuning) PM me about low priced, high quality port work

12-10-2008, 09:56 PM	#10
McVicker Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Delaware Posts: 93 Rep Power: 18	I had mine powd coated with no issues. I haven't installed it yet though. Before I had mine coated, I scraped all the excess sealer off the edges. __________________ Scrubs McBubs! SakeBomb garage.com

12-10-2008, 01:45 AM	#7
Garfinkles Motor Works RCC Contributor Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 535 Rep Power: 18	The red ones are stiffer because they are made from a different type of steel . pressed and welded in ths same equipment . The powder coating process can be done with a low temp powder at 250 degrees if they make it the color you need. I had some parts on my 7 done with the low temp powder and it is still good to go after several years . The regular temp powder is in the 400 degree range .

12-28-2008, 04:38 PM	#12
hsitko The Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	As for the mazdaspeed ppf. Given that it touts a "massive" increase in stiffness of an "insane" 10%, weighs in at just about "exactly" what the stock one weighs in at... I dont know, maybe that "extra" stiffness is from the powdercoating? As far as i'm concerned, it is just a big joke. A big $600 joke. Ouch mazdaspeed. I say that you get yours low temp powdercoated red and then scribble on a piece of tape "mazdaspeed" and no one will no the difference save maybe strange parts collector people.

12-29-2008, 01:17 AM	#15
AHarada Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 17	The mazdaspeed ppf's are supposedly cryo-treated, which aligns the molecules or something or other. This process is supposed to make the ppf stand up to more abuse and reduce fatigue. Of all of the stock PPF's that I've heard breaking, I've never heard of one of them being a real Mazdaspeed unit.