Rice Racing M&W CDI COP Set-up
 

Here is the superior M&W ignition system with perfect mounting system :hurray:

Enjoy.
Fits spot on with no load bearing on plugs, all bespoke RICE RACING!

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The ULTIMATE!

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Bit of background for people, I developed COP systems for the 13B-REW many years ago, field proven, this is one of my old systems below (CDI set up)
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RRCOP13BREW-MWCOI-006-VM Vertical mounting
$POA
NOTE: M&W CDI version can run ANY type of M14x1.25 rotary suitable spark plug, from ghetto to don mega

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RRCOP-IGN1A-A adaptors for separate supply
$POA *each* so for 13B = $POA[/size]


NOTE: M&W CDI version comes with bespoke rubber boots and electrical connection springs (x 4)
2 x Coil spacer/mounts
(FRONT and a REAR mount)
1 x Engine bracket/mount
(mounts off center plate)
Fasteners for the mounts x 3 NOTE: M&W CDI version has engine mount and coil mount fasteners only
Instruction sheet, with CAD pictures of fitment, and instructions



Hope to hear from you on email.



NOTES: on ratings and options fully spec'd up system with coils and or CDI boxes etc
Getting asked allot of this on email so best to post here:
[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]CDI v's ghetto inductive (all up costs)
NOTE: all systems ratted to run constant duty street or road race applications

CDI RR option 1: 250mJ
M&W coils (x 4) + (Pro Drag 2 CDI box x 2) + RR COP kit
= ~$2800US
The TOP SPEC CUSTOM RICE RACING M&W set up, this comes configured with Hi/Lo switch input into each CDI box
150mJ & 250mJ
These are rated for constant use and NO EXCUSES
Tune the engine, dont let it tune you!

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CDI RR option 2: 115mJ
M&W coils (x 4) + (Pro14R CDI box x 1) + RR COP kit
= ~$2100US

I was just holding my ign 1a coild and they are weighty. Im not sure I trust that small mounting point to support them. I love the idea. Just would like to see a more robust mounting method.

I suspect the COP Adapter would take up a lot of the load plus there isn't that much torque on them outside of the mounting point.

But the single screw mounting point doesn't look like it would prevent the coils from vibrating. I would rather the cop link would not bear any weight. Since spark plugs dont really like to hold mich weight either.

Count me in..

I'm interested as long as it will fit with my current setup, specifically the water injection pump mounted on the frame. I don't remember how much room I have there and I won't be able to measure it for a few more months.

Hi MM,

Good point.
Just to clarify.

The mounting bolt very little bending loads, the weight of the coils is supported by the recess in the back of the mount :)
It mounts against the back of the boss, the COP engine bracket takes all of the loads :)

To give you an idea of how strong a bolt is, I lift out a whole 13B-REW (130kg) with a single M8 bolt with an eyelet :)

Either way the design is 'over designed by a safety factor of 100 :smash:

Short of jacking up the car front the COP brackets you will never ever break them :smash:

Each 'F' and 'R' assembly does not take any weight through the bolt either as they sit on the extension leg from the COP engine bracket, just to clarify ;)


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Forgot to say rotation load is countered by legs of 'F' and 'R' mounting tabs as they are 0.1mm (less) between each other :) thus the mounting bolts M5x0.8 x 2 are fine and the engine mount is M6x1 x 1 single OEM position.

It's a refined design, I'm totally happy with, each system is guaranteed for LIFE to never ever fail electrically or mechanically in any application, but I will not warrant you lifting out the motor using the COP brackets :P

Yes when 2 of them are together they are even heavier !
This is why I spend allot of time making my COP system as strong as it is beautiful :)
Tough, durable, but not stupidly over engineered where it does not need to be..... If there is anything else you want me to clarify I am happy to do so ;)

I'd give it a go.......Selling the brackets and plug adapters separate from the coils?

Any idea of price? That would help get more on board...

Yeah it will be a full mounting kit.
*no spark plugs or coils or engine included :)

PRICE $TBA

Don't want to pull a figure out of my ass, if people want to put up what they are will to pay I will see if I can meet that, but remember its custom precision work here...............

I am interested in acquiring a kit.

What's the eta on production ?

Q1 2015

I have a few things concurrently going, highest on list is STEEL SCIENCE apex seals then this comes second.

Once things are back into action in next couple of weeks I aim to finalize a cost and time frame, touch wood it will be sooner rather than later :dunno:

I'll do my best :Angel_anim:

This is very nice, I would love to have one and would be willing to pay whatever your price is (within reason) but unfortunately I don't believe this kit will work for my application. . Is this for REW only? That mounting point doesn't look familiar on my center iron.

Its designed around 13B-REW, I could do a redesigned engine mount for other applications (need to be careful about rotor housing and spark plug location as well! *have to check this* may require coil brackets redesign as well!), but need some details sent to me on the config, all my old stock of plates etc long gone! :Chevy_anim: LOL

If you're willing to make another design that would be great, I would be more than happy to set my SakeBomb coil mounts to the side for a product like this.

If a possibility for you, count me in. Whatever you need from me let me know and I'll do my best to assist you.

I would be interested as long as there isn't a drop in efficiency because of the small contact point. Can I ask why there is so much excess material around the coil mounting tabs? Is there a reason?

That's a good point, different series housings had different spark plug locations, and different center irons had different mounting tabs..... Damn rotaries :lol:

Hi,

When I was working as a teacher in Automotive I got to look at all kinds of COP set ups, I was shocked when I saw all they used to create a contact was a small coil spring! when I made my fist COP set up (search the net) I custom made my own springs similar to OEM and under the PECO scope analysis there was no drop in Kv (use magic wand probe), and over the course of a few years testing in field they were faultless.

This system of mine is far improved in that it accounts better for miss alignment but also uses a bespoke spring (me and my father manufacture these!) with much higher pre load assuring a positive constant electrical contact a permanent one. IF you pull apart many OEM and after market wires and see just how fucking shit the contacts are on the posts of coil and plug you would be shocked what you find, at any point they are just single point contact but with VERY POOR clamping to either item! they really only work with the rubber boots creating the constant load to keep them in touch with the mating parts......... very poor system.

In regards to the 'excess material' on the coil 'F' and 'R' brackets, that is because there is an offset to the Trailing coil has a +4mm offset and this is reflected in the mount, to save me standardizing the COP adaptor (preferred) I decided to have offset coil mounts (so this is why one side lines up to the coil tab on the top coil and the other side lines up the the coil tab on the bottom coil, this could be machined off but then it would look line a leaning tower in Italy :) so best to leave it as is.

Hope that explains it.

Oh and in regards to making other stuff to suit other engines.
I would need confirmation of the plug locations (FC housings) as measured from the bottom edge, also a mounting location on the center plate, and a verification of the T & L plug recess in relation to the mounting point (best to email me) as I would send a drawing of what you need to provide me to design it to suit your application).

If I still want to mount my ac compressor and alternator on the side of the engine, with I have room?

I can give you the horizontal dimension (to the left) or FRONT of the rotor housing edge and you can confirm yourself if it will fit the parts on your motor set up..

This is the dimension (front of rotor housing edge)
9mm+17.14mm = 26.14mm

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This is dimension from tip of Trailing plug (R7420) to the tab on the top coil *sticks out furthest* ref GREEN shaded areas
45.75mm

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Another dimension of how low it sits so you can determine if it will fit your set up.
Center of Trailing plug to bottom of IGN-1A coil
105.88mm

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Thank you!

I will check it out.

Damn I hadn't thought about the AC compressor and power steering. I'll take measurements when I get home.

Yeah shit was designed around 'race car' spec set up, :willy_nilly:

However if there is enough demand and it wont fit I guess I could spend some more time of my life modifying the solution to suit more OEM set up.... it all comes down to feedback and dollars (in orders from people who want it to suit there set up).

I'm pretty confident this will fit all, but that counts for shit till some of you c-u-n-t-s measure it up and let me know :coolgleamA:

On my old kit I have a WI tank where all of that OEM shit went and the COP fitted perfect, this one is not much different (even more compact) as I actually designed it rather than making from bit I had lying around LOL.

This is the old set up, very simple compared to this.
You will see I have designed it for coils to sit lower (run cooler) and also clear rear heater water outlet.

Anyway some pics for reference for those who have not seen this before.

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Would have a bigger market if it fits behind factory ancillaries.

Might be able to get some rough measurements this week.

Thanks for that.

Open to ideas thus the thread, at this stage in design can redo items if needed to suit the majority as all of it will fit mine anyway.

:nopity: Just means I'll get faster on the CAD haha :nopity:

Great design! I have a side mount alternator, so not sure this will work on my 20b unfortunately.

I wouldn't expect you to change the design, and I'm not sure how you'd change it to fit any better behind the AC and PS with as compact as it is already, but that's cool if you do and you can lol.

COP Adaptor is finished with insulation rubber plug and removable cover !

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Refined cover plate

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Pretty much over this now :beatdeadhorse5:

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Shit is optimized as much as I can do it, without going mental in the process! :beatdeadhorse5:

Smashed up a gay arsed video of it ..................

MOTHER OF GOD!

The COP adaptors are fully done! each end is sealed with O'Ring and all holes, edges, bores etc all done to within a fraction of a millimeter, not possible to make it any more compact or precise :dunno:

So much work :puke: but glad that element is over!

Till some of you get back to me and force me to redesign mounts LOL.
Had a drag person today ask me to do set up for 20B and custom coils, I almost had a stroke :117: so much more work hahaha.

Fuel Injector O-Ring for coil end, fits like a finger in a bum. Totally sealed.
The spark plug end will have 2 O-rings using the factory ribs in counter bore, again tip top.

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awesome! I've been waiting on this!

I may have missed it but how do you account for varying sparkplugs people use these days? Or will these work only with certain recommended plugs?

Will these fit with P/S, A/C, etc on a LHD car? Thanks!

Designed for racing spec purpose only
R7420 spark plugs and older platinum/platinum plugs versions.
I have not validated it but will check plug length of stock type plugs.

Other types of plugs (cheap shit versions) NO!
IF you run these then you are not the kind of person who would pay for my quality items anyway :) so it was never designed to suit that market.

Other aspects a few people are checking out RE: PS and AC etc

I think this is the fastest I've ever seen anything be developed LOL. Well done, well done.:hurray::bowdown::party: I'm eager for people to measure for the PS and AC, and I might see if my buddy can measure between the engine and pump on my car. Or I might just get one regardless, knowing I can easily resell it if it doesn't fit my setup lol.