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TitaniumTT 11-16-2015 09:20 AM

In that case you just increased your HP by lots and the cool factor by eleventy million

GySgtFrank 12-05-2015 02:45 PM

Fuse box, CPU, and Cruise Control box mounted.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/667/2...2954de7f_z.jpgFuse box, CPU, CC unit mounted by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


There was an unbelievable amount of time in de-pinning and putting new plug ins on wires to accomplish this. It drives home why it is expensive to have custom wiring done. The amount of time involved is ridiculous.

GySgtFrank 12-06-2015 11:29 AM

... and the ECU mounted.


https://farm1.staticflickr.com/674/2...95bb43f1_z.jpgECU mounted by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


This was a lot easier as all it required was running the harness through the firewall and mounting the box to the underside of the passenger foot well.

hades 12-06-2015 08:04 PM

What not get a custom harness kit for the body and a standalone doe the engine?

GySgtFrank 12-07-2015 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hades (Post 321167)
What not get a custom harness kit for the body and a standalone doe the engine?

Several reasons. One of the biggies is money. When I spend the money on a standalone it will be for a turbo engine for the SA. It would be a bit of overkill for a naturally aspirated engine. Secondly the entire harness needs replaced anyway. It has seen better days.

GySgtFrank 12-15-2015 02:52 PM

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/678/2...6ef0393b_z.jpgclutch and brake switches by Kevin Frank, on Flickr


Mazda brake and clutch switches mounted to the MG pedal box. I had to modify the box a bit and provide a small relief cutout in the inner fender area. The Midget came with a single brake switch and no clutch switch. The Mazda uses a slightly larger double brake switch and a clutch switch for the cruise control. I eliminated the clutch interlock switch as it would have been a pain to adapt and is really an unnecessary doodad. The wires had to be extended to run up to the loom going through the firewall, but that wasn't a big deal.

GySgtFrank 01-29-2016 03:11 PM

For those that may have thought I had given up. Here's a shot of the main dash harness, stripped, repackaged, and hung. Progress has been slow due to life getting in the way, but I'm still plugging away at it a little at a time.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1666/...1a95c601_c.jpgwiring - dash harness by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

almoststockfc 01-29-2016 03:18 PM

Man i know the feeling. From having a baby, to trying to build a house, and dealing with hassles of building something. It takes time. Looking good

GySgtFrank 01-29-2016 03:50 PM

Thanks, confusing as all get out when you keep forgetting which wire went where.

TitaniumTT 01-29-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 321156)
Fuse box, CPU, and Cruise Control box mounted.
on Flickr

:awesome: looks good!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 321156)
There was an unbelievable amount of time in de-pinning and putting new plug ins on wires to accomplish this. It drives home why it is expensive to have custom wiring done. The amount of time involved is ridiculous.

That... All of that.... ask Bawb what is original estimate was to crimp and pin the ECU harness on FrankenB and what the actual time was?

(hint - 2 & 2 :rofl: And that doesn't include the two days i had in building the engine harness itself!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by hades (Post 321167)
What not get a custom harness kit for the body and a standalone doe the engine?

:lol: I asked that same question in BAW, well.... I asked Painless Harness and stock ECU harness

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 323921)
For those that may have thought I had given up. Here's a shot of the main dash harness, stripped, repackaged, and hung. Progress has been slow due to life getting in the way, but I'm still plugging away at it a little at a time.

Flickr

Looks awesome sweetie! 10 weeks! Jo0 can do it!!!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 323928)
Thanks, confusing as all get out when you keep forgetting which wire went where.

Squirrel!!!!!!! Is my biggest problem when wiring. That's why I generally crank the music or wear earbuds & wear a sign on my back that says, Fuck Off, Wiring! Disturb at your own risk!

GySgtFrank 01-29-2016 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 323934)
:awesome: looks good!

That... All of that.... ask Bawb what is original estimate was to crimp and pin the ECU harness on FrankenB and what the actual time was?

(hint - 2 & 2 :rofl: And that doesn't include the two days i had in building the engine harness itself!)

:lol: I asked that same question in BAW, well.... I asked Painless Harness and stock ECU harness

Looks awesome sweetie! 10 weeks! Jo0 can do it!!!!!!!

Squirrel!!!!!!! Is my biggest problem when wiring. That's why I generally crank the music or wear earbuds & wear a sign on my back that says, Fuck Off, Wiring! Disturb at your own risk!

My memory sucks anyway, but when I have to put it down for a few days I'm screwed when I get back to it. I have to go back and study the wiring diagrams and figure out what kind of stupid shit I have already done. It eats up a lot more time than necessary that way.


... and yes I'm a cheapskate old bastard and am determined to use as much of the factory harness as I can. :fawk:

Pete_89T2 01-30-2016 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 323935)
My memory sucks anyway, but when I have to put it down for a few days I'm screwed when I get back to it. I have to go back and study the wiring diagrams and figure out what kind of stupid shit I have already done. It eats up a lot more time than necessary that way.

The memory problem can be fixed by drawing up your own interconnect wiring diagram as you take apart the old harness and/or rewire the new one. Doesn't need to be fancy, just legible to you. Take the time to do that, and the rest becomes a lot easier, and avoids the tedium errors.

Your diagram should capture this minimum info: (1) What connector & pin # the wire connects to on each end - create your own connector key/labeling scheme if it's not otherwise documented anywhere in an FSM somewhere, and (2) color of the wire's insulation.

Key point is to NEVER move on to a new wire until you've fully documented the last wire you were working on. That way if life interrupts the project, you have your diagram to help you pick up where you left off.

GySgtFrank 01-30-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 323939)
The memory problem can be fixed by drawing up your own interconnect wiring diagram as you take apart the old harness and/or rewire the new one. Doesn't need to be fancy, just legible to you. Take the time to do that, and the rest becomes a lot easier, and avoids the tedium errors.

Your diagram should capture this minimum info: (1) What connector & pin # the wire connects to on each end - create your own connector key/labeling scheme if it's not otherwise documented anywhere in an FSM somewhere, and (2) color of the wire's insulation.

Key point is to NEVER move on to a new wire until you've fully documented the last wire you were working on. That way if life interrupts the project, you have your diagram to help you pick up where you left off.

Whaaat?

Proper prior planning? I no longer know you!

:lol:

TitaniumTT 01-31-2016 11:30 AM

:rofl:
Actually... Pete nailed my biggest "issue" while wiring... If I see something that I don't instantly know what it's for, I get Squirreled. Last April while working on FrankenB, Whoop was trying to connect everything behind the firewall. Power and Gnd supplies etc, wire up the gauges shit like that. Not making it pretty, just trying to get it done enough to fire. Well... I spent a day going through that and trying to remember what everything was for.
Now it's all neat, bundled shrunk and labled

GySgtFrank 02-01-2016 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 323948)
:rofl:
Actually... Pete nailed my biggest "issue" while wiring... If I see something that I don't instantly know what it's for, I get Squirreled. Last April while working on FrankenB, Whoop was trying to connect everything behind the firewall. Power and Gnd supplies etc, wire up the gauges shit like that. Not making it pretty, just trying to get it done enough to fire. Well... I spent a day going through that and trying to remember what everything was for.
Now it's all neat, bundled shrunk and labled

That is one of the things that makes it slow. Generally I label everything that will be hanging out of the harness or will be loose at any time, but sometimes my labels get ripped off or become illegible. If I don't remember for sure what it was for, it means finding it on the wiring diagram, or tearing the packaging off and tracing it back, all over again. Keeping it all straight is a major chore.

JL1RX7 02-01-2016 05:00 PM

Gunny they do make those things called a label maker. Even a cheap one will do the trick. Not just a wiring one, which can be pricey. Now the label tape will cost you more than unit itself. Just like printers they sell them cheap and nail you on the ink.

GySgtFrank 02-01-2016 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JL1RX7 (Post 324074)
Gunny they do make those things called a label maker. Even a cheap one will do the trick. Not just a wiring one, which can be pricey. Now the label tape will cost you more than unit itself. Just like printers they sell them cheap and nail you on the ink.

Actually what I use is the mailing labels that come on sheets for printers. They are easy to mark and come with adhesive on the back. Cheap and they work OK, but sometimes they do get ripped off. Easy to remove too when you screw up and mislabel something.


Rear harness is now done and strung. It is mostly hooked up except for one ground wire which of course turned out to be just short once the wire was strung where it needed to go. There wasn't quite as much room behind the tank enclosure as I thought and stringing the wire behind it was a bit of a @#$%.

JL1RX7 02-01-2016 07:32 PM

Murphy always says one wire will short on you. Always in the hardest to reach spot ever.

GySgtFrank 02-01-2016 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JL1RX7 (Post 324084)
Murphy always says one wire will short on you. Always in the hardest to reach spot ever.

True dat. I have to pull the harness back out a ways to get at it for lengthening. It will not be an easy operation as it barely fits in there.

TitaniumTT 02-02-2016 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 324007)
That is one of the things that makes it slow. Generally I label everything that will be hanging out of the harness or will be loose at any time, but sometimes my labels get ripped off or become illegible. If I don't remember for sure what it was for, it means finding it on the wiring diagram, or tearing the packaging off and tracing it back, all over again. Keeping it all straight is a major chore.

When I'm building an engine harness for example, the ECU plug is usually already done, so I bundle wires together, run where they need to be, bundle and raychem. Get the whole harness run that way and then terminate it. Easy peasy when everything's bundled together

Chassis harnesses are usually backwards from that

Building FrankenB was backwards as well... sort of. Started with where I wanted the ECU to mount and added a few inches. Started with the injectors and ran one wire to the farthest injector, cut it. Put it on the workbench and grabbed 6 reds the same length and 5 other wires the same length. Bundled/twisted/braided together and put back on the engine at the predetermined spot where they would branch out. Took a length for the farthest coil, and repeated that process. Kept going with everthing until it was a mess of about 90 wires all ziptied together. Rachemed it, terminated it at the engine side, (that whole process took like two days) and gave it to Bawb to terminate it at the ECU side. Another 2 days of going back and forth to the wiring diagram which was visually backwards from where the pins needed to be.
Once that was done I could wrap the inside part fo the harness... then lay out all the wires for power and gnd.
So basically I've been working on the electrical of FrankenB for over a year now and it's still not done completely.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by JL1RX7 (Post 324074)
Gunny they do make those things called a label maker. Even a cheap one will do the trick. Not just a wiring one, which can be pricey. Now the label tape will cost you more than unit itself. Just like printers they sell them cheap and nail you on the ink.

Yeah fuck that noise. Those are good for the engine side to shrink on and cover with clear heatshrink.... like we did on FrankenB, although we used the hand written ones as opposed to the printed ones. I would like to get one of those printers but they are bucks and I'm not doing enough harnesses. I wonder if Chris would hook me up if I gave him a list of lables.

I like Gunny's idea though of the printer paper lables, that's slick

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 324089)
True dat. I have to pull the harness back out a ways to get at it for lengthening. It will not be an easy operation as it barely fits in there.

Fuck that noise.

JL1RX7 02-02-2016 03:04 PM

Guessing I need to try to "expense" some label makers for you both. :suspect:

TitaniumTT 02-02-2016 03:53 PM

Yaaaaas!!!

chibikougan 02-02-2016 04:53 PM

$20 and $17.99 for the Tape..


http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...FYpffgod2qcFXg

TitaniumTT 02-02-2016 05:12 PM

printers?

GySgtFrank 02-02-2016 05:26 PM

http://www.officedepot.com/a/product...Laser-Address/

.866 cents per label

GySgtFrank 02-03-2016 04:25 PM

... and the rear harness is installed and hooked up except for the license plate lights and the back up lights. I need to go get a couple of weather proof connectors for each of those, well that and back up lights whenever I build the rear bumper. I now have fuel pump tail/signal lights and side marker lights, and trunk illumination lights whenever I get the rest of the system running.

TitaniumTT 02-03-2016 04:38 PM

:awesome:

10 Weeks! Jo0 can do it!!!!!

GySgtFrank 02-03-2016 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 324287)
:awesome:

10 Weeks! Jo0 can do it!!!!!

Probably not, as I have to head up to Montana for a few months sometime next week. It's not as if I'm not used to the disappointment of not having a rotary at DGRR, but it is getting rather old.

chibikougan 02-03-2016 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 324289)
Probably not, as I have to head up to Montana for a few months sometime next week. It's not as if I'm not used to the disappointment of not having a rotary at DGRR, but it is getting rather old.



Squeeeee! Remember you visit Family as priority. I can just ride back with Gunny!

TitaniumTT 02-03-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 324289)
Probably not, as I have to head up to Montana for a few months sometime next week. It's not as if I'm not used to the disappointment of not having a rotary at DGRR, but it is getting rather old.

I have a Silver one and a black one for you :kiss:

GySgtFrank 02-03-2016 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 324291)
Squeeeee! Remember you visit Family as priority. I can just ride back with Gunny!

I was planning on it. Bozeman isn't that far away and somebody needs to give you crap in person.


Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 324293)
I have a Silver one and a black one for you :kiss:

Appreciate that lover.

chibikougan 02-03-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 324294)
I was planning on it. Bozeman isn't that far away and somebody needs to give you crap in person.




Appreciate that lover.


Haha alright make sure you have my number before ya head up.

GySgtFrank 02-01-2017 05:20 PM

Got the wiring in the new shop and actually have accomplished a little sumpin', sumpin'. Center X pipe/muffler is fitted and the midpipe from said muffler to the upturn for the axle well muffler is built.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/436/31...7e76fe8d_z.jpgmidpipe1 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/377/31...1bd41602_z.jpgmidpipe2 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

GySgtFrank 02-01-2017 05:37 PM

better angle, other two angles sucked.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/291/31...47f8affd_z.jpgmidpipe3 by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

chibikougan 02-01-2017 05:51 PM

Yuuus!

GySgtFrank 02-19-2017 12:43 PM

Another of those little piddley details that take so much time when you are bolting things to thin sheet metal.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/337/32...d92434f9_m.jpgexhaust hanger & supports by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

FC Zach 02-20-2017 12:37 AM

Will it make it to DGRR?

GySgtFrank 02-20-2017 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 339719)
Will it make it to DGRR?

Not unless I pile the parts and pieces on a flatbed and haul it there. :(

GySgtFrank 03-01-2017 09:26 PM

Mid Pipe supports finally done. Probably a bit overboard on support, but this puppy is somewhat heavy and I don't want to have to turn around to go find which side of the road my exhaust slid off of. It may be down the ravine with a certain flying motorcycle we all know of.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3867/3...bf2b580d_z.jpgmidpipe supports front by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3677/3...0264f223_z.jpgmidpipe supports rear by Kevin Frank, on Flickr

TitaniumTT 03-02-2017 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank (Post 340182)
Mid Pipe supports finally done. Probably a bit overboard on support, but this puppy is somewhat heavy and I don't want to have to turn around to go find which side of the road my exhaust slid off of. It may be down the ravine with a certain flying motorcycle we all know of.

Flickr

:smilielol5: & :awesome:

Looks great Gunny!

So the FC is making the trek to DGRR this year?


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