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FC Zach 03-26-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 344114)
I still want to make it to DGRR and it's looking more and more like I'm going to have to drive it. I'll be taking a 3 hour road trip the weekend before, which will be a good shakedown. It won't be fully tuned but it'll definitely be broken in by that point.

http://memesme.com/wp-content/upload...95509zopvk.jpg

infernosg 03-29-2018 07:55 AM

There is a chance, yes. I got the new seat installed and the old seat switched over to the passenger's side. I just need to drill a hole in the floor for the fifth point.

I've ordered new rear bearings for the transmission. I figure since I'm already going to be in there replacing the front bearings I should replace the rear as well. I'm not planning on replacing the center bearings since that requires near complete disassembly of the transmission. I plan on re-checking the clearances and have ordered new washers just in case anything is out. Hopefully that'll fix the neutral and 4th gear noise I'm getting and maybe even fix the vibration in 5th. The plan is to have all this done by 4/20 and I still need to check the front wheel bearings...

infernosg 03-31-2018 09:32 AM

Been trying to figure out why the car has been tracking to the right after the alignment. I don't doubt the shops machine so I'm thinking the issue is with the car. Tire pressures are good. Ride height is even. Front wheel bearing play and pre-load was way off. After removal and cleaning the bearings and races looked really good so I just repacked them and properly set the pre-load. I haven't road-tested the car yet but all the play is gone. I'm track to hit 2000 miles and complete break-in by the end of April. If I can make it to DGRR maybe I'll get some road tuning in...

infernosg 04-04-2018 03:10 PM

Some pictures...

New seat and brackets:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/791/4...4b3c2963_b.jpg

In the car with the old swapped over to the passenger's side:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/880/4...b7318657_b.jpg

Even with the new brackets I wasn't able to get the driver's seat low enough to prevent the steering wheel from blocking the shift lights and turn signals. I broke down I got a 380 mm wheel with a 35 mm dish. The old one is 350 mm with a 65 mm dish. Installed:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/820/4...6b7c797b_b.jpg

It's noticeably larger but overall it's a more comfortable position and I can see my full display. The larger diameter also helps with the low speed turning a little.

In order to make it to DGRR I have two things to accomplish:
1) Replace front and rear bearings in the transmission and check end play.
2) Get headlights aimed properly

(2) is easy and I'll have that done this weekend. (1) is still waiting on some parts to come in.

FC Zach 04-04-2018 11:25 PM

That looks great!

infernosg 04-08-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 344115)

Committed. No turning back now. The FC is the plan provided I can get the transmission and wheel bearings sorted in the next two weeks. If not it'll be the SA.

infernosg 04-16-2018 11:08 AM

Replaced the front wheel bearings and races yesterday since I had play in the driver's side. I heated the hubs in the oven and rapidly cooled the outer races with ice water get them out. I ended up re-using the seals though. The new seals put too much pressure on the hub to get an accurate measurement of the bearing pre-load (followed FSM procedure). Unfortunately, I'm still getting play on the driver's side. I'd go as far as saying it isn't improved. I even went out today and torque the hub nut to 22 ft-lb and STILL had play. I didn't see anything else moving so I'm left with the assumption the spindle itself is worn out. Does that even happen on these cars? I guess I'll try to find a used one and replace it before DGRR.

djmtsu 04-16-2018 11:13 AM

Interesting. I personally have only ever had ONE wheel bearing go bad on an FC, and I blame Chicago for that (when I lived there).

It isn't common, but I suppose it does happen. I have a couple of loaded knuckles. But they are quite heavy.

infernosg 04-16-2018 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 344212)
Interesting. I personally have only ever had ONE wheel bearing go bad on an FC, and I blame Chicago for that (when I lived there).

It isn't common, but I suppose it does happen. I have a couple of loaded knuckles. But they are quite heavy.

I didn't notice anything until I took the car in for an alignment a while back. They mentioned some play in the wheels so I took a look. Both sides had some play at that time but after resetting the pre-load per the FSM the passenger side was fixed. I think this just confirms the bearings were okay but something else is going on. The spindle looked okay but I didn't see any movement in the ball joint in the lower control arm so I don't know what else it would be. It seems unlikely I have two sets of bad bearings.

Pete_89T2 04-16-2018 02:01 PM

How much play does it have, and how did you measure/test for it?

infernosg 04-16-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 344220)
How much play does it have, and how did you measure/test for it?

I didn't measure. I just grab at 12 and 6 o' clock on the tire and try to move the assembly. The FSM says play should be 0 in. so if I can feel any movement I think something's up. That being said the driver's side definitely has a few thousandths. The next time I have the car in the air I'll try to get a dial indicator in it to measure.

I took a ~10 mile drive today to bed in the bearings. When I got back the passenger's side had a little bit of play that it didn't before. This time I removed the brake caliper and dust cap but put the rotor and wheel back on and gradually snugged up the axle nut until the play was gone. I didn't even bother measuring the force required to turn the hub. The final torque on the nut was less than 5 ft-lb. By comparison, the driver's side still had play with 22 ft-lb.

djmtsu 04-16-2018 03:19 PM

And you know it isn't the hub, correct?

Reason I ask is that one time I did have a bearing failure, it took the hub out with it. But the spindle was fine.

infernosg 04-16-2018 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 344223)
And you know it isn't the hub, correct?

Reason I ask is that one time I did have a bearing failure, it took the hub out with it. But the spindle was fine.

I suppose that's a possibility, but the hub rides on the bearings, right? I'd assume if the races went in place without issue the hubs are fine. I've read a couple cases where guys had new outer races simply drop into the hubs without resistance. That wasn't the case for me. The new bearings still had to be pressed into place even after heating the hubs and freezing the races.

djmtsu 04-16-2018 04:13 PM

Interesting. Fuck it. It's old.

You wanna see 'play', drive the Cosmo!

Pete_89T2 04-17-2018 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 344222)
I didn't measure. I just grab at 12 and 6 o' clock on the tire and try to move the assembly. The FSM says play should be 0 in. so if I can feel any movement I think something's up. That being said the driver's side definitely has a few thousandths. The next time I have the car in the air I'll try to get a dial indicator in it to measure.

That's what I thought; when you think about it, that FSM procedure really doesn't isolate slop/play to just the bearings, though that would be the most likely source of play when tested like that. Any slop you have in the ball joints, or even LCA bushings (unlikely, but possible) would be felt as play by your muscle micrometers (anything > 0") if tested that way.

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 344222)
I took a ~10 mile drive today to bed in the bearings. When I got back the passenger's side had a little bit of play that it didn't before. This time I removed the brake caliper and dust cap but put the rotor and wheel back on and gradually snugged up the axle nut until the play was gone. I didn't even bother measuring the force required to turn the hub. The final torque on the nut was less than 5 ft-lb. By comparison, the driver's side still had play with 22 ft-lb.

Could just be a slightly worn driver's side spindle, and DJ may be on to something with the hubs. Heating the hub & cooling the races should not be necessary; a new race (assuming correct part) should just press into the hub using a decent hydraulic press without any drama. I think the real question is how much play is too much play here?

infernosg 04-17-2018 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 344232)
That's what I thought; when you think about it, that FSM procedure really doesn't isolate slop/play to just the bearings, though that would be the most likely source of play when tested like that. Any slop you have in the ball joints, or even LCA bushings (unlikely, but possible) would be felt as play by your muscle micrometers (anything > 0") if tested that way.

The ball joint on the lower control arm is the only other possible source of play I can think of. I've tried to watch for movement as I shook the tire but a few thousandths is hard to notice. I'm going to test this by incrementally increasing the torque on the spindle nut. If the play is reduced or goes away it isn't the ball joint. This is how I know the passenger's side ball joints are okay.

In the long term I've got a set of S4 LCA's on the way I'm going to rebuild with new ball joints and delrin bushings.

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Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 344232)
Could just be a slightly worn driver's side spindle, and DJ may be on to something with the hubs. Heating the hub & cooling the races should not be necessary; a new race (assuming correct part) should just press into the hub using a decent hydraulic press without any drama. I think the real question is how much play is too much play here?

I'm trying to find some used spindles with less mileage than my current ones to test this theory. I'm considering the PBM Knuckles for the future, though. Not because I need extra steering angle but because they have built-in bump steer and roll center correction for lowered vehicles. At $400 they're a steal compared to OEM.

I should clarify I didn't need to heat the hubs and freeze the bushings. I don't have easy access to a hydraulic press and I had already heated the hubs to remove the old outer bearing races. I froze the new outer races to make installation easier. The smaller outer bearing outer races dropped right into place in the hot hubs. The inner bearing outer races needed some extra force so I used the old races and tapped them in place with a plastic hammer.

infernosg 04-17-2018 09:59 AM

Sooo... I'm an idiot. The bearings are fine. The spindles are fine. I pulled the driver's side wheel and before messing with the bearings again I decided to give the strut a good tug - "thunk." It turns out the play was in the suspension. The lower locking ring of the coilover was just loose enough to allow the strut body to move inside the threaded tube. I had checked this and I wasn't able to tighten/loosen the ring by hand so I'd assumed it was good. I further torqued the ring using the adjustment tool and a plastic hammer. Boom - no more play.

I decided to replace the bearing seals while I was in there anyway. When I did the bearings on Sunday I reused the old ones because I couldn't get the pre-load low enough with the new seals. This time I threw the pre-load instructions out the window and gradually tightened the spindle nut, with the brake rotor and wheel bolted on, until all play was gone.

djmtsu 04-17-2018 10:18 AM

Yay! Always something stupid.

FC Zach 04-19-2018 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 344239)
Sooo... I'm an idiot. . . . It turns out the play was in the suspension. The lower locking ring of the coilover was just loose enough to allow the strut body to move inside the threaded tube.

:lol: :facepalm:

We've all been there. . whether we want to admit it or not :uhh:

See you in a few days! :cheers2:

vex 04-19-2018 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 344239)
Sooo... I'm an idiot. The bearings are fine. The spindles are fine. I pulled the driver's side wheel and before messing with the bearings again I decided to give the strut a good tug - "thunk." It turns out the play was in the suspension. The lower locking ring of the coilover was just loose enough to allow the strut body to move inside the threaded tube. I had checked this and I wasn't able to tighten/loosen the ring by hand so I'd assumed it was good. I further torqued the ring using the adjustment tool and a plastic hammer. Boom - no more play.

I decided to replace the bearing seals while I was in there anyway. When I did the bearings on Sunday I reused the old ones because I couldn't get the pre-load low enough with the new seals. This time I threw the pre-load instructions out the window and gradually tightened the spindle nut, with the brake rotor and wheel bolted on, until all play was gone.

At least it wasn't an improperly mounted wheel on the spindle. :leaving:

infernosg 04-22-2018 03:37 PM

Decided to have some fun at a car show this weekend.



It put down 170 whp @ 7000 RPM and 140 ft-lb at 6500 RPM. I think there's lots of room for improvement with a finalized tune. My timing map is pretty conservative at the moment and it could probably be leaned out a little. It also didn't help that they didn't have the fan on. It started to get pretty hot on just the second run so the ECU started to pull timing.

More importantly, the car made the entire ~360 mile round trip with no issues whatsoever. It's not the most comfortable car I've ever driven but I've worked out a music solution at least. I consider this practice for the drive to DGRR on Wednesday.

FC Zach 04-22-2018 06:54 PM

That's great!


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