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infernosg 01-07-2015 08:37 AM

I'm paying attention. Chris (Ludwig) knows a setup like this would benefit me. It's too bad the Series 4/5 center housings don't have that little bolt hole though. Using the knock sensor hole isn't a bad idea for those using a cheaper engine management system like me.

C. Ludwig 01-07-2015 08:37 AM

That's 90*. I said 180*. :). In the original version the long side of the coil is facing forward. Flip it so the long side is toward the back. My guess is it still won't provide enough room for the AC compressor. I tried this a couple years ago. It's tight in there!


Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 296337)


RICE RACING 01-07-2015 09:04 AM

You end up with some interference between the coil tabs in one orientation and in the other (offset) I'll need the bevel one edge of each coil spacer mount .......... :banghead:

See what I can come up with, this way will clear as best it can and not interfere with heater coolant pipe as well, otherwise I would have spun it other way!

http://i.imgur.com/UPv7duJ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZRDnycE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2cdcshF.jpg

RICE RACING 01-07-2015 09:15 AM

And this way the coils smash into each other and there is ZERO room for a mount on the center plate...........

http://i.imgur.com/55KfRGD.jpg

RICE RACING 01-07-2015 09:21 AM

Not possible to fit a proper mount in ~6mm space (plate + fastener).... well I would not feel good about it, I could recess something in not a worry I suppose, but add to that you will need to file down the tabs on the IGN-1A's as well as there is interference there too.

http://i.imgur.com/GkudmR0.jpg

Fendamonky 01-07-2015 09:28 AM

Looks awesome Peter!! Count me as down for the compact V2, adapter and mounts =)

infernosg 01-07-2015 09:54 AM

I'd be interested in just the COP adapters. I have a Series 4 center plate without the center mounting point so the interference isn't really a problem. I'm sure I could come up with something that uses the knock sensor locations.

speedjunkie 01-07-2015 01:02 PM

So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

RICE RACING 01-07-2015 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 296373)
So it's confirmed that the PS and AC pumps would be in the way of this on the REW?

I don't think anyone has validated that yet?
I do have all those systems stored away, if I get time will pull them out and mount to front plate and have a look physically at the potential interference :ugh2:

:18:

These coils are shit for fitment, so looks like V2 system is for people who are willing to move shit around to suit or run a car that is more 'race spec'

ONLY thing I can do to try to suit (well at least a 13B-REW rotor housing) is go for a knock sensor based central mounting method, this means can use the system on 1,2,3,4,5,6................. 25 rotor applications with ease, Will stack these coils 'vertically' and come up with a system like that, I think I will do the same with the M&W CDI coil as well, however! its got its own issues.

p.s. That shit wont work, I can run an analysis on it but will have to run a 'stupid' size mounting system as there is a big canter lever effect from that fixed point, would be vastly more complex as well I wont totally dismiss it, but my brain is telling me its going to be an abortion.

RICE RACING 01-07-2015 07:47 PM

I have thought of EVERY permutation and the below is the ONLY one that is viable, need some input if people are interested in me developing it?
Involves cutting off one of the tabs on all four coils (simply at the edge of the sleeve), then it will allow placement as per below and clear everything.

The coil bracket spacers will be 154mm long between centers and obviously new (13B-REW) engine bracket required.

I'll start fucking around with it anyway to show what I am thinking and that way you can decide if its what you want.

:beatdeadhorse5:

http://i.imgur.com/y5UqKne.jpg

RICE RACING 01-07-2015 09:39 PM

Working on V3 (vertical placement) :suspect:

http://i.imgur.com/VwUCS3T.jpg

speedjunkie 01-07-2015 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 296470)
I don't think anyone has validated that yet?
I do have all those systems stored away, if I get time will pull them out and mount to front plate and have a look physically at the potential interference :ugh2:

:18:

These coils are shit for fitment, so looks like V2 system is for people who are willing to move shit around to suit or run a car that is more 'race spec'

ONLY thing I can do to try to suit (well at least a 13B-REW rotor housing) is go for a knock sensor based central mounting method, this means can use the system on 1,2,3,4,5,6................. 25 rotor applications with ease, Will stack these coils 'vertically' and come up with a system like that, I think I will do the same with the M&W CDI coil as well, however! its got its own issues.

p.s. That shit wont work, I can run an analysis on it but will have to run a 'stupid' size mounting system as there is a big canter lever effect from that fixed point, would be vastly more complex as well I wont totally dismiss it, but my brain is telling me its going to be an abortion.

Oh OK. The reason I said that was because Monkman was talking about making brackets to make it work for him, so I assumed it didn't fit. I'm certainly not asking YOU to do it, not after all the work you've put in already. If I was home I'd check on it myself. Honestly I like V2 the best. I doubt it will ever get more compact and optimized than that. I honestly think it would work with the AC and PS too, but maybe not. I'm not home to look at it. I'm planning on using dual knock sensors so I wouldn't get that one anyway, even if you did make it. So if V2 doesn't fit, oh well. I guess I'll have to pass. I'm hoping it does though.

TitaniumTT 01-07-2015 10:40 PM

Curious about placing things vertically :suspect::naughty::awesome:

TitaniumTT 01-07-2015 10:41 PM

It looks fucking killer though Peter :icon_tup:

chibikougan 01-07-2015 10:44 PM

Will make room on the 2


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