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Whizbang 03-17-2009 11:56 PM

throttle body, intake manifold and megasquirt arrived today!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...B/DSC03735.jpg

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SleepeR1st 03-18-2009 07:27 AM

^^ Can you tell me that setup and where to buy those parts? I'm very interested in setting up an ITB setup but i want to stick with FI not carbeurators.

Roen 03-18-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC (Post 77535)
Bear in mind that turbo fuel requirements / per horsepower are considerably higher than NA requirements.

Unless designed very carefully, a turbocharged engine is less efficient than a naturally aspirated engine.

300 whp looks like about 25% efficient with 4X550s (this is a little high for a stock turbo configuration) I would be worried with 4x550s at 300whp on boost.

Still, we're talking similar efficiency numbers, or at least it sounds similar to my ear.

The person I know had to shut the car off on the dyno since the NA injectors' duty cycles were getting to high at 197 whp.

NoDOHC 03-19-2009 10:38 PM

If they maxed 4 460 cc/min injectors out on the dyno, and made only 197 whp, they either had the parking brake set or were running way too rich to make peak power.

The numbers will not be that close, I really doubt that a 25% thermal efficiency can be achieved with a stock turbo and safe tune on a turbocharged rotary.

I have seen 30% (calculated) on an NA rotary.

Whizbang 03-19-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepeR1st (Post 77587)
^^ Can you tell me that setup and where to buy those parts? I'm very interested in setting up an ITB setup but i want to stick with FI not carbeurators.

The megasquirt can come from a variety of sources.

The manifold can come from a few places as well. Same manifold for a Weber.

The ITBs i got used, but new TWM, Tweakit and a few other places have them.

Roen 03-20-2009 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC (Post 77903)
If they maxed 4 460 cc/min injectors out on the dyno, and made only 197 whp, they either had the parking brake set or were running way too rich to make peak power.

The numbers will not be that close, I really doubt that a 25% thermal efficiency can be achieved with a stock turbo and safe tune on a turbocharged rotary.

I have seen 30% (calculated) on an NA rotary.

AFR was at 12.8 : 1, which is slightly richer than where I would've have put it.

NoDOHC 03-21-2009 05:12 PM

Where they running peak and hold on the injectors?
What was the fuel pressure?
What was the injector duty cycle?
What timing advance and split were they running?
Did they have a bridgeport or peripheral port and scavenge a lot of air/fuel charge without burning it? (Making the Air/fuel ratio appear leaner than it really was and wasting fuel.)
I can't think of any other reasons that the injectors would be maxed out at that low of a horsepower number.

Even the online calculators (which assume a higher BSFC than a well tuned rotary has) say that 460 cc.min injectors should make 250 WHp.

Roen 04-02-2009 11:36 PM

Streetport, that's all i know.

Whizbang 04-03-2009 03:52 PM

I am hoping to at least get the car running before i leave for basic. When i get back i plan on building another engine for it. But i should be able to see what kind of power i can get out of a stock port engine.

Whizbang 04-04-2009 02:30 PM

Peejay just made 170 with his streetport setup on a megasquirt via Dynopaks

Whizbang 04-21-2009 03:09 PM

Well the 13B starts. Going to attempt some rought tuning but i leave in 6 days for basic so i wont be back to touch it again til September.

My5ABaby 04-21-2009 03:25 PM

What ITB is that?

Whizbang 04-21-2009 03:33 PM

efi hardware Pro Race with the tapered air horns.

(be non sized down version of that pic makes a great desktop pic)


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chickenwafer 06-17-2009 01:53 AM

Can RX-8's play? LOL

When I was NA I made 202-rwhp and 132 tq on a stock keg (no porting) and running the factory EMS (no tune). I had the stock intake and cat in place.

For all the crap the Renesis gets sometimes in NA form it's actually not too shabby :)

diabolical1 06-19-2009 02:53 PM

no question that their power is comparatively impressive, but i must say that i've been a bit disappointed with reliability - not of the motor, but the whole car.


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