I absolutely love doing that. The effect is magnified by the echoing off of the buildings.

I happen to know a guy who has a jig for said manifold for the FD... :suspect:

I can't remember if I replaced those sensors when I rebuilt the engine or the mani.... so somewhere between 5 and 14k miles. And I've never had one fail either and I was seeing EGT's hit 1900 with the BNR's before I really tuned them and turned the boost down.

:squint:

:smilielol5: It is sooooo much fun

Bigger turbo... may not fit.... BIG EFR turbo...

IIRC he has the smaller EFR.

He does, but the ERF's are still physically bigger than most Garretts.

We have a problem..... be a man and get rid of that turbo drain HOSE and make it a hardline. Come on, if you are gonna do it, you might as well do it right. I should not have to tell you these things :D


I like the tubing clamp. What is your source for them?


Also, regarding your discolored wastegate... were they always water cooled or did you add that at a later date? Mine have like 6k mi. and a track day and are not discolored like that at all.

For Diff and trans temp sensor I used the simple AEM temp sensor http://www.lms-efi.com/sunshop/index...t_detail&p=146

So how did you setup the sensor with the Haltech seeing as the sensor is not linear and the Haltech apparently does not have enough resolution to accommodate it?

There is IIRC 5 refrence points. so I did the calibration using a spread of temps I think the temp sensor would see. (EX. 30 degrees to 250 degrees F) to get the best resolution at the temps I would normally see. It may not be perfect but IMO it is close enough.

Oh shit! REALLY?!?! :rofl: I thought about it... but in the end decided against it for a number of reasons. 1 being I can't get the turbo separated from the mani while in the car. So I need to pull them as a unit and it BARELY fits. Plus it's easier to work with. I did order the correct color fitting and some heat sleeving though :D

Cheers. I get them through Verocious and Summit and Goodridge. Mainly through Verocious though.... I ordered a bunch for my boost lines to the WG. Swappinga few fittings on the WG's then first order of business when I get back is the WG lines themselves.... soooo I Should probably order my valves from MSC today....

They've never been watercooled before. I'm doing it BECAUSE of that discoloration.

Kewl, thanks... I'll check into the MoTeC software when I get back.

Yeah.... it is 5 points. I was trying to use the AEM sensors for MAP. It wasn't good....

What is a cut out valve?

I might have to agree with Gunny lol. I do think it would be hilarious to see people jump for cover though.

Agreed. But I do love the short runners.

I still need to get the Adaptronic sorted out before I do any changes to where the EGT sensors are mounted. I think the cruising AFRs I usually see on the PFC are around 14s though, IIRC. I'm trying to remember if they both read super high while on the highway or just one of them. It's been since April so I really don't remember.

Ok I'll check them out. Thanks!

Nah I don't think I'll make it this year. But some other guys here in CO have talked about driving out.

Hmmmmmm, that sounds tempting haha.

I have the 7670. I'm not sure how it compares in size to a Garrett. I just know that with how short my runners are, and since I have my LIM spaced out about 1/8" due to the fuel rails pressing against each other, it really cramps the space. At least I don't have the wastegate actuator on mine so that saves some room. It should be somewhat comparable to a Garrett I believe. Depending on how much it would cost, I'd think about just paying you guys to build one and see how it fits when I get it lol. I also thought about trying to pick up a cheap, used HKS cast manifold to see how it would fit.

I actually thought about that myself. I'd like to do all that, and thought about trying a hardline for the oil drain also.

Yeah I have the MV-S wastegates in black and mine have never discolored like that. Mine has been all street driving though. Either way, I still want to run coolant to them with hard lines lol.

Those electronic bypass valves, the y-type that you plumb in with the exaust to go from full loud to full muffled.... I would like to run one on the 'vert but the sizes are just all wrong... so that will be the quiet car.... well..... as quiet as it can be with a 4" downpipe :lol:

Yeah... that's why I went through all the trouble and new it was going to be a PITA but... made it work, barely... everything is so damn crammed in there.

Yeah... unless you jack the hell out of the timing, just richen it up a bit. Low 13's in cruise. I run 12.5:1 and up in cruise. I still get close to 20 mpg if I behave and its a lot happier. The EGT's are LOW in cruise which I like because I do so much highway driving.... 250 miles, turn it off for 10 minutes, 250 more miles etc etc....

DO IT! Someone needs a co-pilot! Or fly into NYC and I'll pick you up... one of my drivers may be fagging out :squint:

We have the Jig, I just don't know about fitment with your turbo... that's what worries me.

At the minimum I would need a new bender and a length of tubing. It could be done, but I would rather focus time and energies else where. Plus getting the turbo in and out or the line on or off would be a rage inducing exercise. As it is with the softline it's still a monster PITA, I don't want to know what a hardline would be like.... eff that noise....

Or the DC area, someone will be able to give you a ride.

I don't think I've ever seen those. That's interesting.

Well I'm not sure I'll have time anyway. I'm supposed to be deploying this summer or fall, or maybe even spring. I'm not sure when or if it will even happen. I'd hopefully have the car finished again and ready to drive. If I would go to DGRR I'd be bringing the car for sure lol. Thanks for the offer though guys!

Oh I know what you mean, I'm just curious if it's really that much bigger, if at all, and depending on price it might be worth it. One thing that's always bothered me about my manifold is that the turbo cants forward 5 degrees. So basically the front of the turbo sits lower than the rear of the turbo, by 5 degrees. I've always wondered if it was a problem because at a certain speed it will get a harmonic resonance, or so it sounds to me. But as friends have said, at least when I'm stomping on it it will be sitting more level lol.

Yeah I hear ya. I'm just getting crazy with the idea of all the places this line could be run lol.

That... but I may need someone up in the CT area :suspect:

These guys.... http://quicktimeperformance.com/QTEC/

THe muscle car guys usually use them but it could be used for a recirc as well.... they're just not made small enough... oh well... the 'vert will be quiet.

Gotcha! It was cool seeing ya last year though... even if just for a gas stop :lol:

Yeah.... 5* isn't going to make a difference at all.... I wouldn't worry about that. It's tough in the FD's though... they want to be longer and farther forward which makes for routing DP's much easier. The more centered they are, generally the higher they need to be, which makes it a PITA to recirc WG's.... compromises I guess.... wait... fuck compromises....

Dude... Colin used them for his vac lines!

Hey you know I head down a few days earlier. It doesn't matter what I drive. I has spares in every state I live in!

:rofl: I may hit you up with that...... How do you feel about driving a Jeep that just says GTFOOMY!

That of course being Get The Fuck Out Of My Way

Oh OK. I've never seen those before.

LOL same here. I'd like to make it. We'll see. If I go though, I want to bring my car.

OK cool. Screw it. I like short runners regardless.

I've wondered about that lol.

Mom might look at funny not pulling up in rotary. But as long as you have the lights on top I will cope.

Yeah..... I want to use it for the WG but I don't see it happening... Oh... recirc with a swappable dump tube I suppose....

DO IT! JUST DO IT!!!!! And grab Cheebs too :lol:

I like them too... but when looking to make things as efficient as possible compromises and such.... when I do the mani on the 'vert I had originally wanted to make the turbo sit a little higher and farter away from the framerail to make things easier.... which was fine when it was a smaller turbo.... now that I've upped the size again it's not going to happen because 4" DP..... le sigh...

Those seem to be the only ones that don't burn out!!!! Last month I replaced one headlight bulb, this month I've got another bulb out in the front and now a fucking headlight cracked... oh well... waiting to take a few measurements on my 8 to see about replacing the factory fogs with some nice Hella driving lights.... mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Soooooooooooooo It's been about a month since an update... and sadly I really haven't done much of anything at all.... I was in cali for a few weeks, then vday, then weather, then a 2.3l Mazda decided to puke a cam chain tensioner... soooo yeah.... haven't done much... still piddling around with the little stuff on the turbo side of things..... because love taking the most simple of tasks and making them as complicated as possible.

HOWEVER.... if anyone is running a T4 flange and they can't seem to get to the forward most facing nut underneath on the flange... you know which one I'm talking about... this motherfucker......

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393482793

Then I have got a little hint for you. Take that fucking asshole stud out and drill out the threads.... then call the guys over @ Full Race and order their Inconel nut and washer kit and an extra long m10 stud, with an extra Inconel washer and 2 nuts....as seen right hearh...

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393482793

The stud has one side with a 5mm recessed allen on it. So before dropping the turbo in, slide the stud through with the allen facing down. Thread a nut on till it's plumb with the top of the nut. Drop the turbo over your new gasket and three proper studs. Slip the washer over the back of the stud, thread the other nut on, insert the allen key and tighten away.... viola. The way my mani sits its next to impossble to get that one fucking nut loose. In the past I have always just taken the entire turbo, mani, dumptubes out as ONE PIECE. Just easier that way... however, now with the watercooled WG lines, there's just not enough room. The lines sit too close to the framerail and the mani will not slide over the studs... soooooo something new had to be figured out. Honestly, it was that ONE nut that forced me to take the entire thing out... so it had to go.

Also started working on the new oil return line. A little better of a drain given the WG placement thanks to a 17* clock on the CHRA to hopefully allow for a thermal siphon

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393482793

Also wrapped my DP as well.... went with 1" and decided to buy 50' of it. Glad I thought about it and did some rough math... pretty sure I used just about 30' of it to wrap the entire DP. The worst part of it is the transition from 3-4" I found that it was easiest to start from the 4" side of and cross into the 3" side, then wrap a little of the 4" and cross back into the 3". I probably used a little more than I needed to, but it gave the tightest fit.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393482793

Now all that is left to do is address this little area

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393482793

with some self adhearing Lava Rock and then it's off to play the waiting game on some copper exhaust nuts and then the turbo can be installed all permanently like.

That area took a BEATING though.... a few of the nuts that were used to mount shit got frozen in place, most of them came out with the exception of 2 M8's, which is why I don't use the button heads anymore, I only use the socket heads. I'll get them out though, I need them to mount a few adel clamps.
The heater core return line also took a pounding and will need to be replaces and covered with some heat rejectant material I got from Verocious... then it's onto boost control lines and I can hopefully move away from the mechanical stuff, rewire a few things under the hood and them move into the interior.

Oh.... all 5 of the trannies showed up @ S1 earlier this week so hopefully this weekend I'll get a chance to drop the tranny out of the 8 and get that off to S1 for some cryo goodness as well :D

I mentioned earlier that I was planning on dropping the WG spring down to 10psi and using a 4 port solenoid to control boost. While this will theoretically give 4x WG spring pressure, I think it will be more like 2.5-3.... but I could be wrong, I think it happened once :smilielol5: Anywho... I got a delivery from Verocious of a box of goodies... sadly I still need to order some more -4 line. Next time I'm going to do this all with hardline and just plan in some extra for movement. It's SOOOOOOOO much cheaper to do it this way.. but I suspect I'll be spending a few hundred on a REALLY nice bender because I actually broke my last one... over use I suppose.....

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393483124

I mounted the solenoids in the most logical place. and they are fed right from the charge pipe. Nice short runs there. From there when the solenoid is at rest, the pass through the solenoid runs to the bottom port of the WG. When the WG is energized pressure is diverted away from the bottom port and applied to the top port keeping the WG closed. So the lines are run VERY cleanly. they both run parallel from the solenoid to the WG... very clean, I likey... Verocious also had some pretty trick AN line separators as well to make things even cleaner :D

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393483124

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1393483124

So I'm waiting for a bit more line and some more fittings and nuts and I can button up everything on the turbo side of things. Hopefully the line comes quick and I can start building a new AST to help the thermal siphon a little more as well. A few other odds and ends and I can start on the electrical both in the engine bay and the interior. 2-3 more weeks... hopefully and I can be on the dyno... the weather isn't helping any nor is life itself... Oh well... theres still 7 weeks.........


















FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 7 WEEEEEKS?!?!?!?!

Sorry going to be having leftovers from us next week maybe as soon as Sunday. We let the cold in Cali let in the snow..

Yup.... looks like another 8" tomorrow :naughty:

Piker. :lol: